That pretty much describes me. My main complaint with the TL is stability at high speed and body roll. It's not like the stock setup is bad, it just needs (in my opinion) to be a tad tighter. The H&R springs & sway bars and a good shock like koni I'm sure will give me great handling and a decent ride. Even though I wouldn't be testing the cars limits, I'm sure this setup would hold it's own on the track

 

There's no doubt, the single biggest improvement in high speed stability was the H&R front bar.

 

can someone help me decide if i should get the H&R 22mm rear sway or the Progress 24mm rear sway? i have a 08 tl-s with stock front sway bar.

 

If I were you, I would just get the Progress bar. I don't think you will be dissappointed! I don't know the price difference, but if you get the progress bar, you have adjustability, I am not sure if the H&R Bar for the rear is adjustable or not.

 

Both H&R and Progress are adjustable. Progress cost $144 and H&R $211 from excelerateperformance.com. not too concern about the price, more concern about the handling.

 

I don't see how the H&R could perform much better, if any, and definitely not to make up for the price difference. Some people have more money to spend, but nobody likes to waste money.

 

I'm sure the progress bar will give the results one wants. And if you really don't need the front bar, why spend the money. But if one was to get the H&R's front & rear bars, I'm sure the handling would surpass just having a larger rear bar.

 

Oh and by the way H&R is 100% German. Correct me if I'm wrong, but their steel and workmanship is the best.

 

I opted for 24mm on my TL-S cause I thought it would handle better with bigger sway bar in the front. It feels much better.

 

what front sway bar r u running? stock type-s bar? did u set the progress rsb to soft or firm?

 

This.


Is that so....

 

Stock Type S front sway bar and firm for progress.

 

and that is working out for you? have you tried it on soft setting?

 

That's what I am running in my base '04! I tried it in the soft setting for a little bit, and then went to the firm setting just to try it, haven't gone back yet......although after installing new springs/Koni's, I may go back to soft once I change the dampening, just to see the difference...? Don't know yet..

 

I didnt want to try soft setting. Whole point of bigger rear sway bar to corner better. Soft setting for Sissies

 

That's what you're not understanding. You can end up with worse than stock handling if the rear bar is too stiff. I've tested this with my car and trust me, it's a very real thing.

 

so you have the progress rsb on soft setting? i was thinking of doing soft setting too. read somewhere on the site it is not good to set it on firm. i want more high speed stability and good cornering.

 

I currently have it on firm because I have the 28mm H&R front bar to match.

It's all about matching the rear roll stiffness to the front roll stiffness to get the handling balance you want. It doesn't matter if you do it via the springs or swaybars.

If you keep the overall percentage the same, balance remains the same. You could put a 34mm RSB on it and keep the same balance as long as you have the 40mm front bar to match.

With the stock 5at rear swaybar it will be a little tailhappy at the limit with the 24mm in the firm setting.

Having the Progress bar in the firm position with the stock 5at front bar will give less bodyroll and it will feel like it corners better during normal and spirited driving. But you're going to have your hands full when testing the limit. I like my car to oversteer just a little. But in a street car you have to think abot things like accident avoidance. If someone pulls out right in front of you and you swerve left and then right, the last thing you want to deal with is the tail swinging excessively while trying to avoid an accident.

 

I spaced it with your username. With the TL-S, you can run the rear bar in the firm position since you have the larger solid 27mm front bar.

 

so for safety i should set it on soft setting? i don't want it to be too tailhappy. i want high speed stability to improve and a bit better handling in corners. dont want the car to go crazy on me. is there a difference in sway bar compare to type s 6mt and type s 5at? the sway bars r both the same size right?

 

It's one of those grey areas. I doubt it would be tail happy with it in firm but I've never run the TL-S front bar. I have a feeling it should be just right with the rear in firm.

Basing it off of my setup with the 28mm bar in front, the rear bar in firm was not firm enough to balance out the handling. I had to stiffen the rear springs. I don't know what the rate is of the 28mm H&R bar vs the Type S bar and it's hard to make a comparison because different metals can have a large impact on rate. One thing I know for sure, with the Progress rear in firm, it tends to oversteer a bit with the stock 5at 25mm bar and it understeers with the 28mm H&R front bar. The 27mm Type S should be a good balance.

You can always start in soft and take it out somewhere deserted and test it out. Make sure to try it in a steady state corner where you're maintaining a speed but tightening up the turn until one end slides. Then try it again at the limit but lift the throttle. If you get it to where it's pretty neutral in the steady state corner, it's going to oversteer pretty bad when you lift thottle so you need to balance it out. Having Koni Yellows with adjustable rebound damping, lift throttle oversteer seems to be reduced with the shocks set firmer.

 

I have a TL-S, thats the reason I set the RSB to firm.

 

Last winter I had the Type-S fsb and the Progress rsb, set to soft, installed, all per IHC's advise (Thanks for all the well written posts on this subject!). I should have written down all the changes I had noticed right off the bat. What still stands out is how easily I can rotate the car into a turn and how much more nimble the car responds when accelerating out of it.
I originally hated the feeling of under steer in the TL. With these two very affordable upgrades my TL feels more neutral if not a touch on the over steer side. I enjoy tossing it into turns now especially since I upgraded my tires to Continental Extreme Contact DWS.

 

not ture!

i have my progress RSB on firm and a stock FSB. i have my Koni SP3's set to .75 turns on the front and 1.5 on the back. it turns way better. in fact, in some spots where i used to have to make 3 point turns, i can just now straight up flip a bitch and wax off the steering wheel.

i have yet to try it on soft setting i will soon though. i just installed it 2 days ago. i took a long freeway drive last night. MAN OH MAN! i gently cruse at 100 MPH felt like going 60 on OEM. it was very rough at times and even bouncy though for my likings. it really depends on the condition of the road though. when i was on nice fresh dark black asphalt i basically jizzed in my pants when i accelerated past 100 MPH

i am going to try it on soft setting tomorrow and put the fronts on half a turn and the back on 1 turn

 

forgot to mention,

i put it on firm because i thought that i was going to get my Type-S FSB installed the next day. i talked to my dad's "CLOSE FRIEND" who has a shop and wanted to charge me 300$ to install it. i told him to F off, thats ridiculous. any ever pay to get it installed? how much is it? i would love to do it myself but i don't even have a jack.

any here in SoCal do an AZ brother a favor and help me with an install?

 

^Jack and jack stands only cost about $50 from Sears. I would invest in one in a heartbeat.

 

The RSB won't affect how sharp it turns at all (referring the the 3 point turns and u turns you mentioned). It does feel like it corners better in the firm position but take it to the limit of cornering and it's going to swap ends on you quickly. The quickest way around a corner is to have both ends lose traction at the same time. With the rear losing traction way before the front, you have to reduce cornering speed.

If you're ever in my area, I'll take you for a ride. Most of the time my car literally goes into a 4 wheel drift when I hit the limit. I've done soooo much tuning and this is the most balanced handling I've ever had from any car. There's no wild tail drifting and no terminal understeer. It's balanced so well that I can easily adjust it by applying a little throttle or lifting.

 

Just installed TL-S FSB to compliment my Progress RSB on Track setting. I couldn't agree with this statement more. The car is so much easier to drive now. I can handle 4 wheels sliding a lot more easily than the back end breaking traction and having to gas it to get out of trouble.

 

i think you need more than a jack to install a FSB. dont you need to support the sub-frame some how when it is unbolted? i don't want to mess with that especially since that is holding my engine and tranny.

i need some detailed help on this 1

 

It's not as bad as it sounds. You leave some of the bolts in. The subframe can be supported with a single jack and even if it slips, it's not going to come crashing down because you still have the trans mounts. It's not the easiest job but if you take your time, you can definately do it by yourself. It would be best if you had a lift.

 

I ended up taking all 6 bolts out because the way my car was lifted just in front, the front 2 bolts were not allowing my subframe to drop all the way with all the weight shifting towards the back and binding on front subframe bolts. If on a lift, I could have probably left them connected. The subframe being connected to transmission mounts will never allow it to just simply fall down. I had a floor jack handy to help me guide the subframe back in place along with a good tug to get the rearwards dangling subframe back into place. Without removing all the bolts, the subframe would not lower enough for me to access the Rear most 14mm sway bar bushing brackets. I spent the most time figuring that part out (2 hours). That bolts were difficult either way since the bracket design made it not possible to access with an open ended box wrench from the side but very tight but doable with a 1/4" socket wrench. Get a buddy to help you wrestle the sway bar out as well as it's much easier with 2 people.

I used greasable Energy Suspension black graphite impregnated 27mm bushings (part # 9.5162 to go with my TL-S FSB.

 

i bought the TL-S bushings and brackets that would still work on my 04 right?

and damn i am still confused with the FSB

 

The TL-S OEM bushings and brackets work just fine. You can use those. Actually, the bracketS are the same for all 04-08 TL models while the rubber bushings are different.
I ordered the OEM rubber TL-S bushings for $3-4 but 'I hate cars' suggested I go with Polyurethane ones as they're much firmer and deflect/compress less than rubber. Thus, they slightly improve the bars overall initial response time when you load it around a turn. I went with black graphite impreganted polyurethane along with Energy Suspension grease insure they didn't squeak. The Energy bushings have zerk fittings on th bracket for easy greasing later as well not to mention the location is easy to reach.

 

Just placed order for the the progress RSB. I have always been annoyed with how the car feels going around corners. Feels like a schoolbus, even with the Tein SS's set pretty low. I'm thinking this will fix that!

Can't wait to install it!

 

I've got my Progress RSB and Tein SS's sitting around waiting on my car to get out of the body shop

 

here are neuspeed FSB instruction on for an accord

can some1 who has installed the FSB take a look at this and add or comment on somthing or tell me if some step isnt necessary?

 

Ok...I have 04 6speed.

One night when I was buzzed I decided to pull the trigger on the Progress RSB. And boy am I glad I did. Got it Friday night and put it in yesterday. Install took 30 minutes. I took IHC's advice from here and opted to just stick with the "street" setting (holes closer to front of car) and boy does the car feel a LOT more solid. Turning and just in general. The ride IS a little more harsh, but not hard enough for me to ever look back. Love it.
On/Off ramps and just making quick turns in general, the car no longer does that total dive to the outside and then that lag before acceleration picks back up when you complete the turn. Now, it's just smooth and precise. I'm in LOVE with this mod.

J.

 

got the typeS FSB installed used the energy suspension non greasible bushings and they squeak. i think i have mistaken what they mean. i didnt use any grease on them at all. i feel so stupid now. IDK what i should do

any ways i have the RSB set on firm with my front shocks at .5 turns and the rear shocks at 1.5 turns. i have the balance pretty much perfect. there is a street with a sharp 45 degree curve close by my house where the suggested speed limit ( it the yellow sign for u retards) is 15 MPH. i took the turn going 45MPH and i didnt even loose traction and i didnt play with the steering wheel at. it was just a perfect smooth turn with one motion.

BUT!

with that perfect handling it is really really bouncy on the freeway at high speeds. this is very disappointing. how ever, in the street it does not feel rough at all which is strange even tho the pavement in my area is mediocre at best.

any insight?

 

IHC said something about the car being a little unpredictable if you go TOO stiff on the rear and it's not balanced.
I put one on my car, progress RSB that is...I have a 04 6 speed so I left it on "street"...PERFECT...definitely gives that little extra confidence on offramps and when making turns. I love it.

 

ok good for you im glad you are satisfied but i am not concerned with off ramps. i want to turn corners fast, i want to skid on all 4 tires, i want people to consider calling the cops when they see me drive. my car is balanced in fact i dont think it can get more balanced but the ride it rough. i think i am going to try putting the RSB on soft and see how it handles