mmade22

OK, so I installed the H&R sport srings on the car last weekend. All is good on the ride but I noticed the front is higher than the rear. I have waited a week to see if it settled a little but no dice. I measured the opening of the top of the wheel to the fender and I have an inch gap in the rear and an inch and half on the front. The drop is supposed to give me an 1.4 in front and 1.3 inch rear. I have the stock struts. Anyone have any ideas? I know H&R are supposed to be a great spring with a level drop but I have yet to see it level. Here is a picture to give you a look.

enigmaos

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the front doesn't look dropped.

mmade22

Funny, but I spent two hours changing them so they are. I just e-mailed acuratlparts.com to see if they maybe he sent me the automatic springs and not the 6 speed (what I have). That could explain why I have the 1/2 inch difference. Other than that, I am stumped. Bearcat, how is your drop?

mmade22

I just checked the part number on the front spring and I got 51808. Can anyone else who has this spring please see what number they have on there spring? You can see it painted on the outer side of the spring.

bigBLACKTL

HEY UMMMM i was looking at the pic congrads on the H&R springss iam get them in the summer sometime, but just for thoughts are you sure you never put the Back springs on the front and vicsa versa

bigBLACKTL

also did you have to doo all that other stuff like alignment and camber but judging from the pics seems like you dont require them.

ballinfizzle89

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He can't confused front/rear springs....they look completely different haha

That's wierd though, I haven't heard of the H&R's sagging, but from the picture, it definitely is.

I thought the H&R's were the same, doesn't matter auto and m/t?

bigBLACKTL

AHAHHA :% my badddd
get it checked outt from a shop OR CALL them at H&R and tell em whats up :P

ndabunka

Isn't there something about the WAY the springs are suppose to set in the seats? Something about if you don't do it right, you end up higher than you suppose to be. I don't think it was in reference to the H&R's but rather some other spring set but I think it would apply to all springs. Something about them seating properly.

Bearcat94

Mine look good - similar wheel gap all around; Front slightly lower than the rear. I'll double check measurements tomorrow if I can. I'll give you a call. The 1.4" F /1.3" Rear is not the fender gap, but the amount lower than stock.

51808 is NOT the correct part number. Should be 50104 for you and 50106 for me - mine were all stamped with the correct number.

51808 is the H&R Sport spring for a 2003 - 2007 Accord 2dr.

http://www.hrsprings.com/scripts/app...ind3&MakeID=13



ndabunker - good idea, but we double checked proper seating in the perch and proper alignment with the strut/tophat. I don't think thats the problem - possible, just not very likely.

260 HP

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I had H&R on stock shocks before and my car looks pretty quite even. Mine is also 6MT.

The right springs should be 50104 just like Bearcat said.

mmade22

Thanks Bearcat! I new there was a problem after looking at it the other day and seeing a huge difference on the front. I emailed acuratlparts.com yesterday so hopefully something can be worked out. Looks like someone screwed up. I am suprised as they called to confirm my car year 6mt ext. I am not looking foward to doing this again. Not happy at all.

Bearcat94

Let me know when. I'll come help if I can. It'll go a lot faster. I have Mike's number if you need it.



For reference, here are my measurements:

Front: Ground to Fender Edge = ~25 1/2"; Wheel Center to Fender Edge = ~13 3/8"

Rear: Ground to Fender Edge = ~26 1/8"; Wheel Center to Fender Edge = ~13 3/4"

On the front, that's just barely over a finger gap; at the rear about a finger and a half.

aznbo187

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Thanks for the call John.

Turns out H&R mispackaged a product and placed it in their 50104 box.

I'll give you a call by this evening to inform you about the details so we can get you the right suspension delivered asap.

-Mike

stillhere153

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I find it strage that the accord springs actually gave you a lesser gap, I'd figure that you wuld be lower instead

regardless mike's the man so you will get the right part

ps. the wheels look good

Bearcat94

Correction - typo.



Good looking out Mike.


mmade22 let me know when you get 'em. If I can make it, we'll knock 'em out in record time.

mmade22

Spoke with Mike today. He is all over it as I knew he would be. I did infact get the accord springs. That is some bad luck as you can all see, they are installed on my 2005 TL. I guess I will be doing the springs all over again this weekend. I almost went and bought new tires and was going to get an alignment. That would have been really sad. Mike, any specials on an a-spec kit? You can through it in the box with the new springs....lol....I am interested in the A-spec kit though.

Bearcat, thanks for being my lookup man with the part numbers and phone numbers today. I might take you up on the spring install help if I need to change all four springs out. Mike, do I have to change all four springs?

mmade22

Mike, I just emailed you the pictures of the springs. Thanks for the help. I will look foward to getting the rght ones this weekend.

aznbo187

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No problem. Let me know if there is anything else you need help with!

MrHeeltoe

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I called Mike (ATLP) and the resolution on this issue was that the springs were indeed correctly packaged.

I think the issue is really a case of using springs made for an AT in an MT car. You can compensate for the difference by using Koni sport springs and dropping the front a bit if you have a 6MT.

MrHeeltoe

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I also contacted H&R through my distributor and the part numbers all check out as mentioned in this thread.

Slpr04UA6

Thanks Marcus!! You are the man!!

Bearcat94

Old thread, but I don't agree with this - based on the H&R application guide.

The H&R applicatoin guide does NOT differentiate between the MT and AT Base TL for 2004 - 2008. Same part number for all.

AND that part number (3rd Gen Base TL) is 50104. As I wrote before 51808, which mmade22 got, is LISTED for an Accord - a 2dr Accord.

Now maybe they all the same part with only a different number painted on them. BUT how is a consumer supposed to know if they've got the right item or not?

2005 TL = http://hrsprings.com/scripts/appguid...Acura%20|%20TL

2005 Accord = http://hrsprings.com/scripts/appguid...a%20|%20Accord

Slpr04UA6

I totally agree. I think that it should be on H&R for not putting some type of information on their site saying that the part # either changed/ or is interchangeable with the '03-'07 2dr Accord. The consumer only notices 2 different part numbers, and says "this doesn't seem right?"!

Dino81

I recently ordered and installed "kit" 50104 for my 5at. When I got the kit, the individual springs were stamped 51808. I called H&R directly (the 1-800 # in the papers in the box), because I've have seen this thread, and others like it.

H&R confirmed that they were for 3G TL, and the explanation they gave ME, was 50104 was the whole kit, and 51808 was the correct stamp for the springs that made up the kit.

You would think the kit # would be the same # stamped on the springs..but its not. Idk if they are just the same springs as the accord, OR has anyone actually seen an accord kit to see if 51808 was stamped on the springs, just as it was on the box?

IDK, but anyways the fit and went on with no problems. I am happy with my drop also. Right about where they said it would be.

Bearcat94

So why does the "kit" AND the springs for the 3G TL-S both say 50106? For BOTH AT and MT?


I'm beating a dead horse here, but I think it's a dumbass way to label parts.

Dino81

agreed.

Slpr04UA6

I agree too! I have the same springs (51808) and hope to achieve the drop labeled in the kit(50104)! Someone at H&R needs to see this thread and change something!

JMillerUA6

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This.

The springs are the same for AT's and MT's. I researched this before I bought mine. I'm on Race springs.