knighj1

i have read over 75+ post about camber kits and im still confussed. i have the h&r springs on stock shocks and its about 1.5 in front and 1.4 in the rear before settling.
I KNOW i want to go with ingalls but do not know what to buy.
Front----
i need 2 ball joints (are these sold in pairs or do i have to buy 2 of them?)

REAR----
do i need 1 or 2 kits im pretty sure i need 2 bars for each side(camber and toe), but im not 100% sure


******We need to figure this out get all the correct info and part numbers from the 3 manufactures and post them in a sticky so that this question does not come up so often******* just my

ChuckDu

Start HERE at the Ingalls website. Scroll down to the 3.2 TL listings. Go to the 2004-2005 applications. Read through that information to find what kits they recommend for the drop of your car.. Then click on the blue part number on the right side and that'll bring you to another page explaining that you will need 1 kit per wheel for a total of 4 kits (2 kits for the front wheels and 2 kits for the rear wheels.) You can also download and read the installation instructions for any of their kits by clicking on the link on this part number page.

When you're ready to order, I highly recommend Ultrarev.com. I found them through an ad on this site. They have excellent prices, cheap and quick shipping and excellent customer service.

Each front kit includes one adjustable ball joint.

As for each rear kit, it includes two adjustable links. They work in conjunction with each other to set camber and toe. There is NOT one link for camber and one for toe.

ChuckDu

More info...

Here's a cut and past for the part numbers:

-------------------DROP-----------------------DESCRIPTION--------------------ADJUSTABILITY----PART#
Front..............0" to 1.5"..Adjustable Upper Control Arm Ball Joint.... -1-1/2° to +1-1/2°.......35590
....................1.5" to 3"....Adjustable Upper Control Arm Ball Joint....+1-1/2° to +3°..............35591
...................1.25" to 2".... Adjustable Upper Control Arm Ball Joint....+1-3/4° to +4°............35570
Rear.............0" to 3".......SmartArm™ Adjustable Links (Rubber)..... -1-1/2° to +3°.............38725

knighj1

so to get the camber kit all the way around its looking like it will cost around 600.00??? does this seem right of course this is using their msrp?

ChuckDu

Deals can be easily found. Expect to pay about half of MSRP. Check out the Blackmarket on this site, Ultrarev.com, Overboost.com and eBay. I'm sure there are a ton of other sites out there.

knighj1

thanks for everything Chuckdu, i found them on ebay for 307.90 shipped, but im going to check those other stores you have listed as well

ChuckDu

You may do a bit better at Ultrarev, $290 plus shipping. I just checked their site and Ultrarev defines a kit as enough parts for both front wheels or both rear wheels. This differs from Ingalls definition of 1 kit per wheel.

Nandito28

with a 1.5 drop there shouldn't be that match of negative chmaber...if I was you I wouldn't even bother with a chamber kit...I would only install a chamber kit if the drop is more than 2.5....wheel alignment could be a second option???

knighj1

im for sure going to get an alignment, but i did not want to spend 8.+ on alignment then need the camber kit(307), then have to spend another 80+ on alignmnet.
All opinions are welcome

Nandito28

Im saying just do the alignment and forget about the chamber kit...the aspec kit drops our rides 1" all around and they dont put a chamber kit. its only when your hitting close to 3" when you start seeing the actuall wheel have negative chamber...IMO

knighj1

im going to go talk to the honda place and big ten and see what they will do for me as far as the alignment issue

ChuckDu

I'm confident that with a 1.5" drop on a TL without a camber kit, that the wheel alignment (camber certainly, toe maybe) will be out of Acura specs. If you're willing to live with shorter tire life and less than optimal handling then save the dollars. This strikes me as false economy.

knighj1

i only drive about 2k a year at most so, im not sure if it would be worth it to spend 307 for the kit if it is only going o be a little out of spec

Nandito28

thats a given...2k...for sure you wouldn't even see the difference in the tire's wear...I would just do the wheel alignment...damn 2k miles a year, why so little???

Spiritman

Thanks for the info here..... This should be stuck!I looked long and seached hard to find this. There are alot of scatered theads on this topic.

rodneyc77

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I purchased my camber kit from Excelerate. He currently has an active sponsored groupbuy in the AZ blackmarket section ( https://acurazine.com/forums/sponsored-sales-group-buys-10/spc-camber-kit-cl-tl-rl-tsx-accord-v6-333694/ ).

When I installed my new suspension, with about a 1" drop all around... I noticed that the TOE was drastically changed especially in the rear... and once the rear is set to spec the front TOE changes drastically... please get an alignment after you install any tight of suspension...

Spiritman

But I thought that the Ingalls were "the best"???

rodneyc77

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Well, it's just opinion/marketing on whether one is better than another. If you put both kits side-by-side they look exactly the same in my opinion.... (except for the logo and such).

Years back... Ingals was like the only company that made camber kits for import cars... I've used them on integras and civics and the only problem I've encountered was that the adjustment bolt and threads used to seal up due to the moister and such from winter driving... Remember to lubricate them with WD-40 (or similar) every time you do an oil change and you should be okey.

Spiritman

OK, Thanks! I ordered the Ingalls. I wonder if I will notice the handling change?

ding069

I have the a-spec suspension and that drop is about 1 inch. I didn't need any camber correction for my setup.

ililillilillilil

i have H&r sport 1.3R 1.4F & i ended up needing a camber kit for the rear only.
eibach/spc-$140 shipped.
i think you only need the rear adjustable control arm
my alignment is all in the green now close to zer0

lifetimeofwar

Do you guys think that an Eibach 1" drop after setteling will need a camber kit? front? rear? I just want to lower it for a cheap price...200ish on stock struts ( I will get the alignment though)

Also the price of install...

rodneyc77

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ding069,
I didn't say the camber... I said you need the TOE corrected... there is a difference... Plus we (mechanic & I) set my camber to custom settings for my driving style and usual car weight distribution. Plus, I installed the camber kit just in case I really needed it... 'cause I installed the neuspeed koni sport shock and eibach prokit... and I wasn't sure what drop I was going to end up with... And yes... the camber stood in the green zone when I hooked the car up on the alignment machine... TOE WAS WAY OFF THOUGH... this is just my experience... every car is different...

Brownie,
You should be okey with the eibach and stock shocks for a while... the install would be between 200 and 250 depending on the shop doing the install.

trancemission

I have koni yellows with H&R's. My rear camber is only out buy a small margin, like a half a degree. In my opinion its just to worth the expense of a camber kit...

rodneyc77

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K-Shawn

I have the camber kit for the rear....the fronts you don't need the front, due to the fact you have a lot of room to play with the toe-in when you get a four wheel alignment.

MrHeeltoe

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You don't really "NEED" to get a camber kit at all, really....

What are we worried about here? Tires? Fughettaboutit. Camber is not going to kill your tires. Just set the Toe and let it go.

Of course if you are anal about numbers and don't want the camber look then you will need a camber kit to fix that. But keep in ming you might also be compromising the suspension geometry and the vehicle's handling.


Also note, any ride height change you make is going to effect the camber, and the only way to compensate for it is by getting a camber kit. I just don't see the real need in fixing it.

Marcus

Sakuragi

If i were to drop my car 1 3/4 in front and 1.5 inch rear with tein ss, will i need a camber kit

K-Shawn

You always respond to my post but to eliminate rear tire wear which is common 3 generation TL's, it's suggested to use the rear camber kit . As I stated it was a suggestion along with all the suggestions they have for using the rear camber kit.
It's a pleasure reading your post, I have to check your website out to order something for my TL, talk to you later Marcus.

Kevin

twigglius

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I am dropped between 2'' and 2.5'' and I have decided against a camber kit because of all the posts I have read. Additionally I have had my car alligned and I am within spec on all 4 corners for toe, camber and caster. You should not have any problems with uneven tire wear.

MrHeeltoe

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The rear camber kit is needed to get a good camber spec, but that speaks nothing of tire wear. Camber is not going to hurt your tires like everyone assumes it does.

To eliminate rear tire wear that is common on 3g TLs, make sure that factory updates have been performed and your alignment yeilds a toe setting that is in spec.

The suggestion to use a camber kit is not a bad one, but one should be aware that if you have a tire wear problem, a camber kit is not going to fix it.

Thanks for the compliment! We don't have tones of TL stuff up yet, but you can always PM me for specific questions!

Marcus