idolize

My Fellow TL'ers, i'm losing sleep trying to find the perfect or near perfect wheels for my 3rd gen TL-S.

i love the staggered look on vehicles but everytime i call shops for quotes, or even discuss w/ my mechanics about my future plans, they all say the same thing. with the staggered wheel setup where the rear wheels are wider, is not good for the handling and other stuff that i can't remember right now. they said wider rear wheels are meant for rear wheel drive vehicles like the bmer's, g35's and whatnot...

now i've seen many 3rd gen's with the staggered look. i mean i drool when i see the pics but as far as handling and other concerns, is that legit? is it not worth the hassle to get wider wheels in the rears?

could one just have the same width, in my case 19" x 9.0 but just have a lower offset for the rear to have some minor staggered look?

thanks for any help and advice in advance....

TheDanger

if you want staggered then do it. Unless you track your car you wont really notice the reduction in handling.

wps007

Staggered is my preferance, absolutely no difference in handling, I know because I went staggered at about 20,000 miles

justnspace

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I asked this question the other day.
My question was ....is there any concerns going staggered on a fwd vehicle?

and here is what they told me.

You'll have understeer but you probably can't feel it, unless you track your car.
Also you can't rotate your tires so tires would get expensive fast.

I say if you have the funds to keep replacing tires then go for it.
it'll satisfy your need to look staggered.

enigmaos

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To each his own.

HRF1

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Whatever handling differences would likely be negligible if you stagger. Personally, I wouldn't do it because staggering an FF doesn't make sense to me other than looks, and I'll take function over form.

It's your car so do what makes you satisfied.

CLtotheTL32

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Personally I love staggered set-ups

I hate cars

I love the look.

As for the handling, you won't notice the extra understeer until you get to the limits. At 80% you will never notice it. Plus, you're adding overall traction with wider rear tires. Unless you know how to use oversteer to set the car in a corner, you're not missing anything.

Add a larger RSB and you just moved the balance back to neutral, problem solved.

People get so worried about the extra understeer when going staggered on a FWD yet half the board drives around with a 24mm RSB set on firm with a 25mm hollow 5at FSB not realizing that the car would oversteer at the limit.

Personally I would not do it but only because I know it's FWD and it would bother me to have the "RWD look" but that's just my preference. Many people I run into think the TL is RWD anyway. Out of everything Honda makes except for the S-2000 obviously, the TL is the most RWD looking car out there.

S PAW 1

Don't forget the electronics...ABS, Stability control, etc.

They all go to hell with staggered. In wet situations,they may not function as they were designed, and put you into a wall.

It comes down to... are you willing to put your life, and others, at risk because you want to look cool and pretend you are smarter than the engineers at Acura?

TheDanger

are you serious....

S PAW 1

Yes I am.

If you have something productive to add, let's hear it

TheDanger

Are you actually basing what you're saying on reported issue's from people? Where did you get/assume this information from?

It seems that this is along the lines of "If you stretch tires then you are going to die because it's going to blow up!!!"

But yet there are ton's of people running stretch tires and not dying. There are ton's of people running staggered set-ups on a FWD car and not going out of control wrecking their cars.

Also how did people function without VSC and ABS? Did everyone just wreck and die?

princelybug

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Nay. I wouldn't do it.

I hate cars

As long as overall tire diameter is the same between all 4, there won't be problems with any of the electronic nannies.

Hapa DC5

Personally, no. I have seen a 4g (FWD w/tech) look really clean with a staggered look.

S PAW 1

Would you not admit that a wider tire generally has more traction that a narrower tire? If you are going into a curve quickly, especially in the wet, you are going to experience different handling characteristics from front to back.
The TL/TL-S was not designed for this.

I haven't seen tons, or even one for that matter, and I travel quite a bit.

They certainly create a special look from what I have seen on this forum

If you want to take chances with something like staggering or stretching tires, go for it. Maybe it is not taking a chance in your opinion.

IMO, I won't be stretching tires, or staggering any time soon

To the OP: nay

P.S. In yesteryear, we were taught to pump the brakes to achieve the best results.
Do that today on an ABS system

myron

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just get the same size all around and throw a spacer in the back to make them look more flush. Then you can rotate the wheels and all is well.

SG81

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if i could afford the tires, i'd do it...looks amazing when done right

idolize

well i thank everyone for the feedback..

i think i found the best solution that will satisfy my taste buds....

i'm planning on purchasing SSR - Werfen GT-03 wheels. 19x9.0 all around. theres 2 things i love about this, 1 is the wheel is beautiful and 2. when you go on the website, i have the option to choose lip size for the same width wheel.. hence get the staggered look (more lipage in the rear) , less in front but no concerns.

i know it'll cost me a bit more as far as rotating tires but hey its not an arm and a leg

i'm looking at fronts 19x9.0(44mm offset) w/ a 30mm lip and rears 19x9.0(37mm offset) w/ a 55mm lip

does everyone think thats a good compromise?

idolize

now the question is, anyone know of any good wheel shops where i can purchase these at a good price? the msrp is about $950 a wheel!!!! damnit never fails, when i find something i really like, its always an arm n leg.

enigmaos

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That's a good way to achieve the staggered look.

I hate cars

Stretching tires does stress the tire out. You're removing that safety net. Everyone may not have a blowout but it stretching can certainly cause it.

Going staggered only affects handling balance. Adding the ever so popular 24mm RSB affects handling balance much more than a staggered setup will so I don't know what the big deal is. Staggered is not ideal in a FWD but with wider rear tires you're increasing traction, not decreasing traction. Sure, it will understeer more but it will have a higher limit before understeering. Besides, everyone talks about understeer being bad but every time I see a car oversteer the driver freaks out and causes a wreck or a spin anyway.

I like a little oversteer but I'm used to going sideways. For 99% of the people out there understeer is what you want. Keep in mind, people, you will feel no difference with a staggered setup until you take the car to the absolute limit which hardly anyone does.

I agree with the ABS statement. My personal preference is a car without the electronic nannies so I have full control over it.

Driving4fun

I just picked up a set of these wheels yesterday 19x9 for the front and 19x10 for the rear. i got them on a beyond amazing deal

idolize

from a 3rd party or dealer? due share the wealth please! lol.

Silva-type-s

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its your car..

i've seen TL's on 22's so there is no reason why you cant get staggered rims

Driving4fun

i know i should not disclose this but i had a flat drove into the shop and they happened to have these rims that were used. i walked out out the shop paying only 700 for all 4... needless to say i got the best deal of my life and they didnt know what they had lol.

hatchconversion

you know, i use to kinda hate on the whole staggard on fwd cars. however sinc ei own a tl now and it dosnt really have much speed and i dont use it for speed or 1/4 like my previous cars. i look at it as "ALL SHOW NO GO" so who cares. I just like how it looks, i can care less how it performs as im personally not going to track it in any way. all looks for me with my tl (of course has to be good quality and etc) but no longer worried about aggresive spring rates or light wheels. just my opinion and a little about what i think ahha.

Edit: oh and if anyone is worried about the whole fwd thing. the saddest part is majority of the people that will look at your car will assume its rwd or not care, or not know lol.

GetLikeMe_TypeS

LOL word

GetLikeMe_TypeS

How you liking that setup

SharksBreath

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justnspace

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its 2013, sharksbreath.