Do I need a camber kit?
#42
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Originally Posted by BlacuraTL-S
my left rear camber is -1.8(out of specs)
the right rear is -.6(within specs)
everything else is ok...(toe is fine)
do i need a kit?
the right rear is -.6(within specs)
everything else is ok...(toe is fine)
do i need a kit?
#43
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27758 Santa Margarita Pkwy #132
Mission Viejo, CA 92691
Hmmm, great information so I even looked up the shop
I'd have my car done here but..... no franchises close to Michigan.
Thanks for all the info, you've made this thread what it is!
27758 Santa Margarita Pkwy #132
Mission Viejo, CA 92691
Hmmm, great information so I even looked up the shop
I'd have my car done here but..... no franchises close to Michigan.
Thanks for all the info, you've made this thread what it is!
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Originally Posted by jbrow117
HEELTOE Automotive
27758 Santa Margarita Pkwy #132
Mission Viejo, CA 92691
Hmmm, great information so I even looked up the shop
I'd have my car done here but..... no franchises close to Michigan.
Thanks for all the info, you've made this thread what it is!
27758 Santa Margarita Pkwy #132
Mission Viejo, CA 92691
Hmmm, great information so I even looked up the shop
I'd have my car done here but..... no franchises close to Michigan.
Thanks for all the info, you've made this thread what it is!
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I am -2 on both rear wheels.
I know -1 is within specs, so i'm guessing -2 is not bad... but I'm only guessing it is still double the amount of camber compared to -1.
my toe is good, was real bad before alignment which scrapped both my rear tires really fast. I hope this is fixed with the proper toe setting.
My question is :
Is there a golden number from which at that point you should or might consider a camber kit?
I know -1 is within specs, so i'm guessing -2 is not bad... but I'm only guessing it is still double the amount of camber compared to -1.
my toe is good, was real bad before alignment which scrapped both my rear tires really fast. I hope this is fixed with the proper toe setting.
My question is :
Is there a golden number from which at that point you should or might consider a camber kit?
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I think firestone is the most incompetent (or laziest) alignment shop ever...
Go in there to get an alignment after installing my camber kit (lifetime alignment ftw), needless to say my camber is at -3 in the rear ...
I get my car back and my rears look exactly the same. The idiots only adjusted toe, saying they didn't know my camber was adjustable...
/rant
Go in there to get an alignment after installing my camber kit (lifetime alignment ftw), needless to say my camber is at -3 in the rear ...
I get my car back and my rears look exactly the same. The idiots only adjusted toe, saying they didn't know my camber was adjustable...
/rant
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Suspension and alignment
A friend experienced unbelievable tire wear on his stock 2004 TL and had it inspected and aligned by a really skilled mechanic. The mechanic demonstrated that camber was out of spec on both front and rear and couldn't be fully compensated for. He made major improvements and stated that the body settles with age and suggested that my friend consider adjustable ball joints and links.
This is not the first time I heard this; the same thing occurred with my 1997 CL but not to the same extreme.
I have a 2006 TL - does anyone know if the suspension has been improved or will I be looking at the same kind of problem down the road?
Thanks,
Ranger
This is not the first time I heard this; the same thing occurred with my 1997 CL but not to the same extreme.
I have a 2006 TL - does anyone know if the suspension has been improved or will I be looking at the same kind of problem down the road?
Thanks,
Ranger
#49
Sorry for asking a question mrheeltoe or anyone else who can help me. but i read your article multiple times and am still unsure if i need a camber kit or not. when i got my alighnment done they gave me the spec sheet. the sheet said front left:-1.5 camber 2.9 caster toe 0.00 Front right:-1.4 camber 2.9 caster toe.01 Rear left:-2.4 camber -0.02 toe rear right: -2.4 camber -0.01 toe. I drive a 2008 tl type s Lowered on Tein SS coilovers lowered about 2 inches. the front doesnt look to bad but the rear does look like they go inward quite a bit. I got my alighnment done at an acura dealership if that helps. please help.
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Mr toeheel can you name some good alignment in south orange county? address would help out alot. Also i plan to drop my car with tein s tech spring which is 1.2 inch drop with 235/30/20 real soon. My question is i just got an alignment done like 3 months ago at a local shop. Not sure if it was done correctly but my car does not go left anymore when i let go of the steering wheel.
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Sorry for asking a question mrheeltoe or anyone else who can help me. but i read your article multiple times and am still unsure if i need a camber kit or not. when i got my alighnment done they gave me the spec sheet. the sheet said front left:-1.5 camber 2.9 caster toe 0.00 Front right:-1.4 camber 2.9 caster toe.01 Rear left:-2.4 camber -0.02 toe rear right: -2.4 camber -0.01 toe. I drive a 2008 tl type s Lowered on Tein SS coilovers lowered about 2 inches. the front doesnt look to bad but the rear does look like they go inward quite a bit. I got my alighnment done at an acura dealership if that helps. please help.
Mr toeheel can you name some good alignment in south orange county? address would help out alot. Also i plan to drop my car with tein s tech spring which is 1.2 inch drop with 235/30/20 real soon. My question is i just got an alignment done like 3 months ago at a local shop. Not sure if it was done correctly but my car does not go left anymore when i let go of the steering wheel.
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...I'm not sure how much it would really matter on such a small decrease in ride height. I know when I changed the suspension on my truck (4" front, 6.5-7" rear) Firestone refused to even attempt. Every shop I called said they can't do anything with lowered vehicles. I finally found a hole-in-the-wall shop to do it, and it helped for close to two years. But then it went out again and I started wearing inners on my front 20" tires.
#60
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It depends. Negative Camber will wear the tires but not as fast or as bad as toe. Toe is the main killer in tires. Some neg camber is good depending on what you use the car for. If you like to do some canyon carving or free spirited driving on the twisties the negative camber will help. If not your better off staying as close to stock spec as you can.
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Companies like Firestone cannot correctly align cars that are lowered or lifted. The alignment computer used to read the measurements calibrates for stock ride height. I've never seen anything on the machines that you can use to compensate for, let's say, a 2" inch lowered suspension. It will base it on the base or stock height.
...I'm not sure how much it would really matter on such a small decrease in ride height. I know when I changed the suspension on my truck (4" front, 6.5-7" rear) Firestone refused to even attempt. Every shop I called said they can't do anything with lowered vehicles. I finally found a hole-in-the-wall shop to do it, and it helped for close to two years. But then it went out again and I started wearing inners on my front 20" tires.
...I'm not sure how much it would really matter on such a small decrease in ride height. I know when I changed the suspension on my truck (4" front, 6.5-7" rear) Firestone refused to even attempt. Every shop I called said they can't do anything with lowered vehicles. I finally found a hole-in-the-wall shop to do it, and it helped for close to two years. But then it went out again and I started wearing inners on my front 20" tires.
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I just dropped my car on Tein S-Techs and got it aligned today. I read Marucs' article and I am happy with toe as it is dead nuts perfect. The camber is further out than I expected with only lowering 1.5" in fact Camber is WAY out of specs.
LF -1.0 RF -1.3
LR -2.2 RR -2.5
Is this too far out? Any suggestions??
LF -1.0 RF -1.3
LR -2.2 RR -2.5
Is this too far out? Any suggestions??
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I just dropped my car on Tein S-Techs and got it aligned today. I read Marucs' article and I am happy with toe as it is dead nuts perfect. The camber is further out than I expected with only lowering 1.5" in fact Camber is WAY out of specs.
LF -1.0 RF -1.3
LR -2.2 RR -2.5
Is this too far out? Any suggestions??
LF -1.0 RF -1.3
LR -2.2 RR -2.5
Is this too far out? Any suggestions??
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MrHeelToe,
You wrote,
I get how we should get a front camber through your post, but you also wrote on your website:
So, if I was to purchase a camber, do I need rear or front? I'm planning to drop 1.75-2 inches with the tein SS.
Thanks for your help.
You wrote,
Front tires always wear faster than rear ones. The wheels back there are just free wheeling. There is little weight on them and the is no load/torque on them. Traction is not an issue and wear is nearly non-existant. If you are going to get a camber kit for your Honda, you only really need it in the front.
"Typically, the suspension modification is question is lowering the ride height. And in nearly all Honda or Acura cars we can think of, the adjustment which is needed is to the camber angle adjustment! Hence, rather then Heeltoe, an Acura specialist, selling "alignment kits," we sell "camber kits." On the UA6/UA7, it is very common to see drastic negative camber angles in the rear of the car, and lesser impact of camber in the front when lowering. Most people with TL just get a rear kit. "
Thanks for your help.
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2005 Acura TL
marcus, amazing information i was really worried when i got my skunk2 springs today about needing a camber kit...so with a 2" drop infront and 1.8" in the back a good alignment will do just fine?
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New to the fourm here..
I've got the Neuspeed Supercup kit as well and Ingalls rear camber and Firestone had aligned my car 4 times in two weeks. Finally they found out that my front right camber is -1.2 degrees. Basically I hit a huge pothole and threw my camber off. Only way to fix is to buy a front camber kit I would imagine. Since my front left camber is in spec would it be feasable to just buy camber kit for the front right? My rear camber is at -1 which is in spec, it was around -2.5 before, the outside tread wasnt even touching the road, I like my new $500 tires and don't want to chew them up so quickly.
I've got the Neuspeed Supercup kit as well and Ingalls rear camber and Firestone had aligned my car 4 times in two weeks. Finally they found out that my front right camber is -1.2 degrees. Basically I hit a huge pothole and threw my camber off. Only way to fix is to buy a front camber kit I would imagine. Since my front left camber is in spec would it be feasable to just buy camber kit for the front right? My rear camber is at -1 which is in spec, it was around -2.5 before, the outside tread wasnt even touching the road, I like my new $500 tires and don't want to chew them up so quickly.
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I know this thread is about camber, but toe angle is a big part of the tech article, so I have a question about toe angle.
My '04 TL was T-boned several years ago and apparently not repaired well enough. I now have uneven and substantial tire wear on the LR tire due to toe angle being out of spec even after maximum adjustments. What would I need to have installed to allow more adjustments to the toe angle to get it back into spec? Thanks!
My '04 TL was T-boned several years ago and apparently not repaired well enough. I now have uneven and substantial tire wear on the LR tire due to toe angle being out of spec even after maximum adjustments. What would I need to have installed to allow more adjustments to the toe angle to get it back into spec? Thanks!
#80
This thread went from "you really don't need a camber kit" to "if your camber is more than -1.5, you need one". What's the consensus?
I went through a new set of rear tires in about 10k miles due to extremely bad wear on the insides. I had the car aligned after I found this out to find the rear toe out of spec (I had it aligned when the tires were put on but apparently some Les Scwabs are retarded). My rear camber is -2.0 and -2.3, but I'm not sure if this will cause extremely premature wear on the tires or if it was primarily the out of spec toe causing it. My front tires looked practically new with -1.2 camber.
Are any of you running roughly a -2.0 rear camber? If so, what kind of tire wear are you seeing?
I went through a new set of rear tires in about 10k miles due to extremely bad wear on the insides. I had the car aligned after I found this out to find the rear toe out of spec (I had it aligned when the tires were put on but apparently some Les Scwabs are retarded). My rear camber is -2.0 and -2.3, but I'm not sure if this will cause extremely premature wear on the tires or if it was primarily the out of spec toe causing it. My front tires looked practically new with -1.2 camber.
Are any of you running roughly a -2.0 rear camber? If so, what kind of tire wear are you seeing?
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