Weird issue...little help?
03-15-2011, 01:42 PM
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lol...yes.
it was quite odd and nobody had an explanation.
me : "hey guy, what's with all this mud lodged in my exhaust tips?"
tech : "hmm...that's strange. idk how it got there."
me : "you dick."
it was quite odd and nobody had an explanation.
me : "hey guy, what's with all this mud lodged in my exhaust tips?"
tech : "hmm...that's strange. idk how it got there."
me : "you dick."
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03-16-2011, 01:14 PM
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update.
called dealership today, and they said it was going to cost me $140 to clear the codes...
they said clearing the codes is not covered under warranty, the only thing that's covered under warranty is IF they find something wrong with the car that is causing the codes/nav messages. that kind'of negates the whole point of bringing it up to them since i don't want them to keep the car for a whole day or more, i just want the damn codes cleared. nothing is actually wrong with the car, everything works as it should...besides these dash lights/nav msgs
called dealership today, and they said it was going to cost me $140 to clear the codes...
they said clearing the codes is not covered under warranty, the only thing that's covered under warranty is IF they find something wrong with the car that is causing the codes/nav messages. that kind'of negates the whole point of bringing it up to them since i don't want them to keep the car for a whole day or more, i just want the damn codes cleared. nothing is actually wrong with the car, everything works as it should...besides these dash lights/nav msgs
03-16-2011, 01:34 PM
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Yeah, some codes can be cleared by an OBDII reader (not all OBDII readers have this feature), but others can only be cleared by the HDS.
I'm going to guess the VSA code can't be cleared by OBDII (but there are some high end i.e. over $250-$300 OBDII readers that diagnose VSA).
At any rate, it won't cost anything to go to Autozone and see if they can clear it. The only drawback with not going to the dealer is if there is really something wrong with the car...but then I'd expect the codes to reappear. And then you can go to the dealer....
I'm going to guess the VSA code can't be cleared by OBDII (but there are some high end i.e. over $250-$300 OBDII readers that diagnose VSA).
At any rate, it won't cost anything to go to Autozone and see if they can clear it. The only drawback with not going to the dealer is if there is really something wrong with the car...but then I'd expect the codes to reappear. And then you can go to the dealer....
03-16-2011, 01:40 PM
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thanks for the reply.
does that $140 charge sound right to you? i mean...i'm under 50k miles so i guess i'm not understanding why i am being charged for something that i have zero control over. this situation just popped up one day you know?
does that $140 charge sound right to you? i mean...i'm under 50k miles so i guess i'm not understanding why i am being charged for something that i have zero control over. this situation just popped up one day you know?
03-16-2011, 01:48 PM
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At $120/hr shop labor rate, I'd even settle for $60, but $140 is highway robbery...
You might want to check with a Honda dealer....
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03-16-2011, 01:52 PM
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^good call.
and justin, the other acura dealership is 17miles away and this one i can walk to from my work.
i'm going to call a honda dealer now.
and justin, the other acura dealership is 17miles away and this one i can walk to from my work.
i'm going to call a honda dealer now.
03-16-2011, 02:01 PM
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called honda dealership, no go. they only perform maintenance on acuras, no diagnostic work.
03-16-2011, 02:06 PM
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Oh well, such is life. You know the old saying:
"The difference between men and boys is the price of their toys"?
and a corollary saying:
"and the maintenance costs of said toys..."
Call around to the auto parts stores and see if any of them have an OBDII reader that scans VSA. If you find one, go there and see if they can clear the codes.
"The difference between men and boys is the price of their toys"?
and a corollary saying:
"and the maintenance costs of said toys..."
Call around to the auto parts stores and see if any of them have an OBDII reader that scans VSA. If you find one, go there and see if they can clear the codes.
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03-16-2011, 09:25 PM
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Please let me know what you discover man. I have these same issues and it's completely intermittent. When I look at the car's different electrical components, things look and act fine. I dunno wtf is going on. There doesn't even seem to be a direct correlation to the symptoms or a trigger.
03-17-2011, 06:56 AM
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hey fellas...i got these donuts? they doin' anything for ya?Oh well, such is life. You know the old saying:
"The difference between men and boys is the price of their toys"?
and a corollary saying:
"and the maintenance costs of said toys..."
Call around to the auto parts stores and see if any of them have an OBDII reader that scans VSA. If you find one, go there and see if they can clear the codes.
"The difference between men and boys is the price of their toys"?
and a corollary saying:
"and the maintenance costs of said toys..."
Call around to the auto parts stores and see if any of them have an OBDII reader that scans VSA. If you find one, go there and see if they can clear the codes.
Please let me know what you discover man. I have these same issues and it's completely intermittent. When I look at the car's different electrical components, things look and act fine. I dunno wtf is going on. There doesn't even seem to be a direct correlation to the symptoms or a trigger.
03-17-2011, 09:40 AM
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Just curious...Did his scanner have the capability to scan ABS/SRS?
Yeah, will be interested to see what, if any, they find...
Yeah, will be interested to see what, if any, they find...
03-17-2011, 11:51 AM
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i got a call from acura about 20mins ago, said the car was ready. i asked what the problem was, guy says "i have aftermarket stuff hardwired to my fuse box"...which is the add-a-fuse thats in #32(ACC) and has nothing whatsoever to do with anything. when the car shuts off, fuse#32 is off as well so nothing is drawing anything from my battery.
so i show up there, and they want to charge me $140 diagnostic fee since they cleared the codes and didn't find anything else wrong with it.
so of course, i bitch n moan about how i only have 42k miles on the car AND i also bought the extended warranty up to 100k so why the hell am i paying for anything?
dude said he'd talk to his manager and call me back in an hour. so i took off work this morn to drop it off, took off work this afternoon to "pick it up" and now i'll have to take off work again in an hour when they call me back and tell me i still owe them $140 and they can't do anything about it.
what a crock of shit. i fucking hate dealerships.
03-17-2011, 12:06 PM
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03-17-2011, 12:12 PM
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Thanks. Even if it did, I kind of doubt it would have been able to see/clear the VSA code...
If that is the official diagnoses that they are putting on the service sheet, ask him or the service rep to explain exactly how that caused the code, why it never happened before, and why it's not causing a code now....and then wait for it....oh yeah, here it comes.....deer in the headlight stare of someone who realizes he's being called on something he can't explain...
Another clueless dolt....Well, at least it's done. Hopefully they'll agree that a car still under the original warranty shouldn't incur a charge for this...
Another clueless dolt....Well, at least it's done. Hopefully they'll agree that a car still under the original warranty shouldn't incur a charge for this...
03-17-2011, 12:19 PM
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^i said almost exactly what you just said. i asked how the add-a-fuse has anything to do with the issues i was experiencing. i told him it's been wired like that for MONTHS and never had any problem, and will a code pop up again?
he said (over the phone, bc when i showed up the tech was conveinently not there) "something caused your battery to drain and idk what it was, but you have this car hardwired different than factory standards. i don't know why this just started to happen, and if the codes do pop back up within 12,000 miles we will do another diagnostic check and try to find the problem."
...so basically what i heard was that they really have no idea what caused these codes to pop up. was it a failing battery? dunno...was it this "hardwired" add-a-fuse...dunno...typical answer from these goons.
he said (over the phone, bc when i showed up the tech was conveinently not there) "something caused your battery to drain and idk what it was, but you have this car hardwired different than factory standards. i don't know why this just started to happen, and if the codes do pop back up within 12,000 miles we will do another diagnostic check and try to find the problem."
...so basically what i heard was that they really have no idea what caused these codes to pop up. was it a failing battery? dunno...was it this "hardwired" add-a-fuse...dunno...typical answer from these goons.
03-17-2011, 02:09 PM
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That sucks, Aaron. But I half expected them to be lost with this. Your symptoms are pretty screwy. Can the Add-A-Fuse be causing it? Possibly. Your symptom tree is all over the place, though. IIRC, you only have the angel eyes/halos tapped to the AAF, right? You can live without those for a while---maybe try pulling it out for a few weeks just to see what happens.
As I mentioned in my TM/PM, I think something got wet somewhere. The fact that everything was working fine until we got those 2 horrendous rainstorms would lead me to believe that moisture is relevant to whats going on. Were you able to check all of your connections? Is everything waterproofed? Any wires that may be rubbing against metal and wearing out? In my troubleshooting experience, it always seems to be the most obvious shit that gets overlooked. Go back to basics. I can't tell you how many times I've had to apologize for having to ask, "Is the PC plugged in to the wall socket?" as part of my troubleshooting regimen. I also can't tell you how many times that question has ended the whole troubleshooting process right then and there!
My Saturday is still open, if you'd like to get together and have another set of eyes go over it with you. I can almost guarantee the Acura techs took one look at the Add-A-Fuse and stopped troubleshooting any further, or at the least proceeded half-heartedly.
Let me know, my brother!
EDIT: I would also love to know what "factory standards" are for wiring!
As I mentioned in my TM/PM, I think something got wet somewhere. The fact that everything was working fine until we got those 2 horrendous rainstorms would lead me to believe that moisture is relevant to whats going on. Were you able to check all of your connections? Is everything waterproofed? Any wires that may be rubbing against metal and wearing out? In my troubleshooting experience, it always seems to be the most obvious shit that gets overlooked. Go back to basics. I can't tell you how many times I've had to apologize for having to ask, "Is the PC plugged in to the wall socket?" as part of my troubleshooting regimen. I also can't tell you how many times that question has ended the whole troubleshooting process right then and there!
My Saturday is still open, if you'd like to get together and have another set of eyes go over it with you. I can almost guarantee the Acura techs took one look at the Add-A-Fuse and stopped troubleshooting any further, or at the least proceeded half-heartedly.
Let me know, my brother!
EDIT: I would also love to know what "factory standards" are for wiring!
03-17-2011, 02:16 PM
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the add-a-fuse is in #32 (the accessory slot) which is only LIVE when the car is turned on. i don't think it's the add-a-fuse. i checked all my fuses, they're good. i checked the wiring for the headlights, they're fine. everything was installed with the upmost care and caution (everything is wrapped up nice and tight) everything works, HID fogs, led lights, angel eyes, sidemarkers, headlights, etc.
there is literally nothing wrong with the car besides the dash lights and nav message lol...argh.
you may be right with the rainstorm theory, i would hope that whatever "may" have gotten wet, is dry by now and these codes don't pop up again.
luckilly i have garage parking now so i won't have to bear the elements any further.
i'm driving down to NC this weekend, but i'm still wanting to have an install day with you n oscar after i get my parts in. just waiting on a few misc. things and i'm good! i'll let you know man, maybe we can look over other stuff concerning this electrical issue that haven't donned on me yet.
acura still hasnt called me back...
thanks.
there is literally nothing wrong with the car besides the dash lights and nav message lol...argh.
you may be right with the rainstorm theory, i would hope that whatever "may" have gotten wet, is dry by now and these codes don't pop up again.
luckilly i have garage parking now so i won't have to bear the elements any further.
i'm driving down to NC this weekend, but i'm still wanting to have an install day with you n oscar after i get my parts in. just waiting on a few misc. things and i'm good! i'll let you know man, maybe we can look over other stuff concerning this electrical issue that haven't donned on me yet.
acura still hasnt called me back...
thanks.
03-23-2011, 09:10 AM
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well just an update, picked up the car from acura last thursday. fought back n forth with the service rep, and manager, and got nowhere.
so i'll be placing a call to acura client relations today to plead my case. i think a $140 charge to do absoultely nothing (nothing was wrong with the car) when i have a warranty is complete shit.
anybody have any advice on what i should say to them when i call?
so i'll be placing a call to acura client relations today to plead my case. i think a $140 charge to do absoultely nothing (nothing was wrong with the car) when i have a warranty is complete shit.
anybody have any advice on what i should say to them when i call?
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