A spiders nest cost me $5,000 in engine repair!!!!!
07-09-2008, 07:10 PM
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A spiders nest cost me $5,000 in engine repair!!!!!
A spider crawled up my A/c hose where my water leaks out and made its nest. It got cloagged up causing the water to leak on my PCM/ECU. Now i need a new fuse boxand battery to be replaced. It also caused my Ignition coil to melt into my rear cylinder head causing me a minimum estimate of $5,000 by the acura dealer. Don't have that knid of money, oh well i guess its time for a trade in.
Lookin for an 08 TL now Damn spider
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07-09-2008, 09:17 PM
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Originally Posted by JdmJ32A
A spider crawled up my A/c hose where my water leaks out and made its nest. It got cloagged up causing the water to leak on my PCM/ECU. Now i need a new fuse boxand battery to be replaced. It also caused my Ignition coil to melt into my rear cylinder head causing me a minimum estimate of $5,000 by the acura dealer. Don't have that knid of money, oh well i guess its time for a trade in.
Lookin for an 08 TL now Damn spider
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hold on..
how is this your fault?
Why trade your car in to make more payments on another one but you can't afford 5k?
A suggestion there are many wrecked TL's now go buy a PCM and do it your self. Save probably over 1-2 thousand.
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07-09-2008, 10:06 PM
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INSURANCE!!
This should be covered as a Comprehensive claim. As long as the dealer verifies with your insurance that the cause is what you say it is, you should be golden (well, assuming you have comp and not just liability).
And no, your rates should NOT go up.
This should be covered as a Comprehensive claim. As long as the dealer verifies with your insurance that the cause is what you say it is, you should be golden (well, assuming you have comp and not just liability).
And no, your rates should NOT go up.
07-09-2008, 10:19 PM
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yeh this just happened to a car i worked on last week...ac drain got backed up due to something most likely a web, but it only soaked the carpet..this happens more often then u might think!
07-09-2008, 11:53 PM
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No chance!!
Check out the schematic...the ECU is nowhere near the AC drain on the passenger floorboard.
ECU schematic
Check out the schematic...the ECU is nowhere near the AC drain on the passenger floorboard.
ECU schematic
07-12-2008, 01:12 AM
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that's a good story made up by the dealership hahaha...your pcm cannot be located any where near the A/C drainage. Usually it is under your car seat, or under in the middle of the dash, and another location is on top of your heating/A/C system not on the bottom for hondas and acuras. If it is only a PCM and an ignition coil you can replace it yourself. Just by the PCM have them programmed it again. Then install another ignition coil, it's only one 10mm bolt holding it down. Saving yourself 5000 of bull shit stories dealership would only think of. That's why i hate the dealership salesmans. 5000? a pcm with it programmed is about 1200 and an ignition coil is around 120. hahahahhaha
07-12-2008, 10:54 AM
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alot of great talk from some backyard mechanics. an ecm, fuse box and wiring harness, an ignition coil, labor, diagnostics, and to remove the blockage in the drain can easily add up to that amount considering the $$$ per hour, full retail on NEW parts from acura, and your paying FLAT rate. Go ahead and get sum shit parts from the bone yard and keep replacing parts till you solve all the issues caused by an electrical short. Or you can be like one of my customers who tried to diagnose his own no start in his prelude that was involved in a "small" fresh water flood. Oh yeah he ended up in the hospital with third degree burns and burns inside of his lungs from ingesting the raw fuel that was caused by the ecu getting wet and shorting out the injector circuit causing them to stay wide open with the ignition on. He decided to pull the plugs and have a "friend" crank the motor over while standing in front of the cylinder head. Needless to say he was in the path of the spark plug holes and when all that raw fuel came flowing out while his friend cranked it the fuel ignited from his neglect to disconnect the igntion power and the spark plug wires that he left laying there ignited the fuel and caught his stupid ass on fire. Well after my time to replace the ecu, fix the fire damage, install new plugs and a cat from being fuel soaked it cost him almost $2200. Oh yeah a few hospital bills later and some time he was doing great!!!!
07-12-2008, 01:36 PM
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Originally Posted by RYAN97812
alot of great talk from some backyard mechanics. an ecm, fuse box and wiring harness, an ignition coil, labor, diagnostics, and to remove the blockage in the drain can easily add up to that amount considering the $$$ per hour, full retail on NEW parts from acura, and your paying FLAT rate. Go ahead and get sum shit parts from the bone yard and keep replacing parts till you solve all the issues caused by an electrical short. Or you can be like one of my customers who tried to diagnose his own no start in his prelude that was involved in a "small" fresh water flood. Oh yeah he ended up in the hospital with third degree burns and burns inside of his lungs from ingesting the raw fuel that was caused by the ecu getting wet and shorting out the injector circuit causing them to stay wide open with the ignition on. He decided to pull the plugs and have a "friend" crank the motor over while standing in front of the cylinder head. Needless to say he was in the path of the spark plug holes and when all that raw fuel came flowing out while his friend cranked it the fuel ignited from his neglect to disconnect the igntion power and the spark plug wires that he left laying there ignited the fuel and caught his stupid ass on fire. Well after my time to replace the ecu, fix the fire damage, install new plugs and a cat from being fuel soaked it cost him almost $2200. Oh yeah a few hospital bills later and some time he was doing great!!!!
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Originally Posted by RYAN97812
alot of great talk from some backyard mechanics. an ecm, fuse box and wiring harness, an ignition coil, labor, diagnostics, and to remove the blockage in the drain can easily add up to that amount considering the $$$ per hour, full retail on NEW parts from acura, and your paying FLAT rate. Go ahead and get sum shit parts from the bone yard and keep replacing parts till you solve all the issues caused by an electrical short. Or you can be like one of my customers who tried to diagnose his own no start in his prelude that was involved in a "small" fresh water flood. Oh yeah he ended up in the hospital with third degree burns and burns inside of his lungs from ingesting the raw fuel that was caused by the ecu getting wet and shorting out the injector circuit causing them to stay wide open with the ignition on. He decided to pull the plugs and have a "friend" crank the motor over while standing in front of the cylinder head. Needless to say he was in the path of the spark plug holes and when all that raw fuel came flowing out while his friend cranked it the fuel ignited from his neglect to disconnect the igntion power and the spark plug wires that he left laying there ignited the fuel and caught his stupid ass on fire. Well after my time to replace the ecu, fix the fire damage, install new plugs and a cat from being fuel soaked it cost him almost $2200. Oh yeah a few hospital bills later and some time he was doing great!!!!
07-13-2008, 08:07 AM
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Originally Posted by BG74
No chance!!
Check out the schematic...the ECU is nowhere near the AC drain on the passenger floorboard.
ECU schematic
Check out the schematic...the ECU is nowhere near the AC drain on the passenger floorboard.
ECU schematic
I am not sure about the TL but Hondas of the past put there pcms in the front slope of the passengers floor board, right under the heater/ A/C box. So yes a clogged drain tube would drip right on the PCM. The picture your showed is the under hood fuse box.
07-13-2008, 01:28 PM
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Originally Posted by bhelsdon
I am not sure about the TL but Hondas of the past put there pcms in the front slope of the passengers floor board, right under the heater/ A/C box. So yes a clogged drain tube would drip right on the PCM. The picture your showed is the under hood fuse box.
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07-13-2008, 01:41 PM
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Just to clarify, did the coil just need replacing or were they saying it somehow damaged the head?
07-13-2008, 02:53 PM
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insurance? DANG!!! I remember I had a rat of sometime crawled up into my engine bay during the winter and chewed out my knock wires...but that was a couple hundred..........5 grand?!?!??! wow good game...
07-13-2008, 08:59 PM
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The pcm is located right in the middle portion of the center consule which did have the possibility to be touched by water. The mechanic from acura showed me all the all evidence of what was needed to be fixed. He strecthed out the A/c hose pointed it to the light and there was the nest. I saw the water stain left behind on the pcm man was it a mess. The melted ignition coil was completely melted and having it to be melted on the rear cylinder head made it very hard to be worked on. A new cylinder head cost about $3000 which includes everything not just the bare head. They wanted the whole $5000 and couldn't give me a payment plan so but i'd rather keep that money for a down payment on a 0mileage car since my car already has almost 70,000 on it already. A new car would save me money on any repairs for about the next 6years. And it sucks that my insurance plan doesn't cover it
07-13-2008, 09:08 PM
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I could see the coil melting on the valvecover which it is mounted on but destroying the head is a long shot.
07-14-2008, 12:21 PM
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Everytime we take our cars in for oil change, we should also ask them to stick a straighten out coat hanger into those A/C drain hoses. 
For us DIYs, we should do this everytime we change our oil....
For us DIYs, we should do this everytime we change our oil....
07-14-2008, 06:21 PM
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Originally Posted by mb190
Everytime we take our cars in for oil change, we should also ask them to stick a straighten out coat hanger into those A/C drain hoses.
For us DIYs, we should do this everytime we change our oil....
For us DIYs, we should do this everytime we change our oil....
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08-09-2012, 02:59 AM
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Why do all these people who complain about being broke take their cars to the dealer?
That story sounds like a bunch of BS, too. I think that dealer's trying to pull one over on you.
That story sounds like a bunch of BS, too. I think that dealer's trying to pull one over on you.
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08-09-2012, 08:38 PM
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i believe on the TL it is passenger side kick panel.....
08-09-2012, 08:41 PM
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The pcm is located right in the middle portion of the center consule which did have the possibility to be touched by water. The mechanic from acura showed me all the all evidence of what was needed to be fixed. He strecthed out the A/c hose pointed it to the light and there was the nest. I saw the water stain left behind on the pcm man was it a mess. The melted ignition coil was completely melted and having it to be melted on the rear cylinder head made it very hard to be worked on. A new cylinder head cost about $3000 which includes everything not just the bare head. They wanted the whole $5000 and couldn't give me a payment plan so but i'd rather keep that money for a down payment on a 0mileage car since my car already has almost 70,000 on it already. A new car would save me money on any repairs for about the next 6years. And it sucks that my insurance plan doesn't cover it
70K miles is nothing on that car
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