Sand in my engine!!! (pics)
#1
Sand in my engine!!! (pics)
Hi, I discover that there is sand in the intake manifold and in the engine head. If I put my finger inside the head by the oil plug and I scratch the surface it will have a mixture of a black paste and sand! This is how it looks:
There is also a lot of sand on the background of the airbox. What sould I do with that? Is there a way to clean all of that without all disassemble the engine or sould I sell the car!?!?
Sorry for my bad English I am French
There is also a lot of sand on the background of the airbox. What sould I do with that? Is there a way to clean all of that without all disassemble the engine or sould I sell the car!?!?
Sorry for my bad English I am French
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#9
I took my intake mani cover off the other day and I had a similar residue, with black gritty stuff. Not sure what it was, but I cleaned it anyways.
#10
I have the oem filter and it is clean like a new. I can clean it like alexb92 did but the problem is that I have the same thing in the head and probably everywhere in the engine. The pic of my finger is what I have on the engine. I really thing the car have been in a flood
And yes it really looks like a mixture of sand and old oil or something like that.
Last edited by Sledneck; 04-22-2014 at 04:41 PM.
#11
its just a little bit of dirt in the intake manifold... air filter probably wasnt seated right... doubt it caused very much serious damage though. i wouldnt be too worried.. just make sure to oil your filter if its a reusable, that will get the smaller particles sucked into the intake
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Actually, that looks pretty normal. I'm willing to bet that at least 90% of the particles you're finding in there is coming from the EGR system. You might want to take the intake manifold, throttle body, and EGR valve and clean it all up. Lowering your oil change interval might help clean it up too: contaminants would be removed more frequently.
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I'm pretty sure I have something similar last time I pulled the cover off.
#14
It reassures me to hear that but it is sure that the residu on the oil are not cause by the EGR system! If I rub the oil residu between my fingers the particles are stiff so it is not caused by the oil in itself. It really looks like sand. Can a garage do a flush or something like that to clean it?
Thanks!
Thanks!
#15
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It is not sand, it's just pieces of carbon build up from EGR.
Let us know the response from a garage when you ask them to 'flush out the sand in the intake'.
Let us know the response from a garage when you ask them to 'flush out the sand in the intake'.
#16
Yes I will come back with that when it will be done but I will just ask them for the oil if everybody says that it is normal for the intake.....
Last edited by Sledneck; 04-24-2014 at 06:56 PM.
#18
Normal for the oil or for the intake? Because I never saw this kind of paste with stiff lump on a engine head! I asked to some mecanics and they all said that it was not normal but they did not know what it is.
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Check this out:
Notice the dirty ass-intake manifold. Yuck! And check out one of the helpful replies below
Notice the dirty ass-intake manifold. Yuck! And check out one of the helpful replies below
...I'm just going to show some photos of the parts. I am particularly concerned about two things.
1) The rear head is not nearly as yellow as the front one. Could this be a sign of a problem? At first I thought that it may have been replaced before I got the car, but that can't be because the cams and rockers are just as worn as on the front head.
2) The intake manifold is dirty. Very dirty. There's crap all over the EGR passages and I'm quite concerned about this. Is this normal? If not, what do you guys think could be the issue?
All the pictures can be found here: http://s1307.beta.photobucket.com/us...t%202008%20TLS
Here is the intake manifold after the cover was removed.
Here is the cover:
Here is the inlet to the intake manifold:
Here is the IM side of the throttle body:
Here's the front head. Note the intake runners blackness:
The front cover:
The rear head:
Here is the rear cover:
Here are the rocker arms. Clearly worn: I'm probably not going to use Honda fluid anymore.
Is all of this normal? Looking for some advice from the AZine pros. I'm sort of car savvy but I've never tore a V6 apart to this point so I'm not sure if this is all normal. Any comments are greatly appreciated!
Thanks all,
Vlad
1) The rear head is not nearly as yellow as the front one. Could this be a sign of a problem? At first I thought that it may have been replaced before I got the car, but that can't be because the cams and rockers are just as worn as on the front head.
2) The intake manifold is dirty. Very dirty. There's crap all over the EGR passages and I'm quite concerned about this. Is this normal? If not, what do you guys think could be the issue?
All the pictures can be found here: http://s1307.beta.photobucket.com/us...t%202008%20TLS
Here is the intake manifold after the cover was removed.
Here is the cover:
Here is the inlet to the intake manifold:
Here is the IM side of the throttle body:
Here's the front head. Note the intake runners blackness:
The front cover:
The rear head:
Here is the rear cover:
Here are the rocker arms. Clearly worn: I'm probably not going to use Honda fluid anymore.
Is all of this normal? Looking for some advice from the AZine pros. I'm sort of car savvy but I've never tore a V6 apart to this point so I'm not sure if this is all normal. Any comments are greatly appreciated!
Thanks all,
Vlad
Welcome to honda/acura's piss poor intake manifold system. they always collect oil and get gummy. Using a few cans of intake cleaner you can clean out that entire manifold. I wouldn't spray it directly into the throttle body since it may likely cause the drive by wire unit to fail. I would spray it on a durable cloth and wipe it clean while holding the butterfly plate on the TB open.
Another thing, that is a NORMAL look for the heads if your using conventional oil, and possibly exceeding the life of the oil. Switching to synthetic oil, (Castrol edge or MB1 or redline) and using it for approx 5-6K would clean up that engine very well. Another thing about CARBON build up, mostly happens with using anything lower than 93 or top tier gasoline and extended periods of idle (traffic, letting the car warm up ect ect).
Another maintenance item skipped, happens to be the PCV valve. Look at your intake manifold, it's pretty terrible. The PCV valve is located on the lower left corner of the front valve cover, held in by 1x 10mm bolt. I would suggest replacing it and cleaning out that entire manifold w/TB.
You will notice after you do all this the vehicle runs better, smooth and responds-accelerates better. I usually do my intake manifold cleaning once every 15K. It doesn't get terrible, however it still collects oil. In most cases it's the rear head that gets darker than the front but let me assure you, I've been running synthetic for 75K now , just recently removed my covers to paint then and noticed the heads were pretty much like new condition.
Another thing, that is a NORMAL look for the heads if your using conventional oil, and possibly exceeding the life of the oil. Switching to synthetic oil, (Castrol edge or MB1 or redline) and using it for approx 5-6K would clean up that engine very well. Another thing about CARBON build up, mostly happens with using anything lower than 93 or top tier gasoline and extended periods of idle (traffic, letting the car warm up ect ect).
Another maintenance item skipped, happens to be the PCV valve. Look at your intake manifold, it's pretty terrible. The PCV valve is located on the lower left corner of the front valve cover, held in by 1x 10mm bolt. I would suggest replacing it and cleaning out that entire manifold w/TB.
You will notice after you do all this the vehicle runs better, smooth and responds-accelerates better. I usually do my intake manifold cleaning once every 15K. It doesn't get terrible, however it still collects oil. In most cases it's the rear head that gets darker than the front but let me assure you, I've been running synthetic for 75K now , just recently removed my covers to paint then and noticed the heads were pretty much like new condition.
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