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Old 04-02-2010, 12:28 AM
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30,000 miles service & rotor resurface

Hi Alll,

Is it safe to give 30,000 miles service and rotor resurfacing to someone other than the dealer?

What is a good transmission fluid. Acura dealer told me there is some number of point checks they do with this service? does that really needed?

thanks in advance.....any help is really appreciative.
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Read the owners manual and only do the service that is recommended by the mileage indicator. The dealer add on services are nothing but a money maker for them, but that is why they are in business. As far as the rotors, if pulsation in the pedal is noticed, then either minor surface removal or replacement by an independent would be fine as long as they are well thought of in the area. Check the pad thickness also if the rotors need to be done as most go had in hand, although certainly not necessary.
As far as transmission fluid, if AT, your far away from a change, but I would use the Honda Z1, although many use aftermarket fluid. If 6 MT, many use the GM fluid and have excellent results.
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Changing the trans fluid at 30k miles is a smart move. Acura is nuts with thier service intervals. The car is spec'ed for Honda Z1 ATF, which you can use. I, and many others, went with a synthetic fluid that meets Z1 specs. The most popular are Amsoil ATF, or Redline D4.

If you need brakes, I would encourage you to do it yourself. It's very easy, and you will save a lot of money on labor. Same with the tranny fluid change, it's simple, if you can change your oil you can change the tranny fluid on these cars.
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Originally Posted by BradE
Changing the trans fluid at 30k miles is a smart move. Acura is nuts with thier service intervals.
Sorry, but poor conjecture on your part!
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Sorry, but poor conjecture on your part!
It's true. I just got my UOA back on my factory fill Z1, with 14,368 miles on it. Guess what? Fluid was shot. Blackstone recommended 15k intervals with Z1, maximum.

If I can get 30k miles out of Redline D4, I'll be happy.
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Originally Posted by woow14623
Hi Alll,

Is it safe to give 30,000 miles service and rotor resurfacing to someone other than the dealer?

What is a good transmission fluid. Acura dealer told me there is some number of point checks they do with this service? does that really needed?

thanks in advance.....any help is really appreciative.

What year is your car? You do not have to go to a dealer for service. If you know of another place that you can trust go there. You can also do the service yourself if you desire. I follow the maintenance minder on my 06 tsx-works for me. I also have all the service done by an acura dealer that I think is excellent.
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Originally Posted by woow14623
Hi Alll,

Is it safe to give 30,000 miles service and rotor resurfacing to someone other than the dealer?

What is a good transmission fluid. Acura dealer told me there is some number of point checks they do with this service? does that really needed?

thanks in advance.....any help is really appreciative.

The so-called "24-point Inspection" (or 12 point or 30 point or whatever) are often INCLUDED and FREE. This is true whether you are at the Dealer, Firestone/NTB/etc, or Local Bob's (your Honda/Acura specialist). Don't pay for it OR put much faith in them - it's just a quick once over and/or fluid check if anything.

I'd stick with Honda/Acura Trans fluid; trans are suspect as it is, no reason to give Acura a reason to fight a possible warranty issue later.

DON'T resurface your rotors unless there is an indication tht you need to - wobble during braking, etc. Removing metal from the rotor unnecessarily will just casue them to wear that much faster. I've got almost 40k on my stock rotors, they've never been tunred/resufraced, and they're fine. The main cause for premature rotor warping on the TL seems to be over-titghtening the lug nuts; 80 lb/ft is correct, not gorilla joe and his amazing air gun tight.


Also, follw the Maintainence MInder for service intervals, not strictly mileage. At around 30k, you probably need to replace the cabin air filter. The part costs around $20 and takes 15 minutes to change. For that paltry bit of work, the dealer is likely to charge you $130 or more.

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Originally Posted by BradE
It's true. I just got my UOA back on my factory fill Z1, with 14,368 miles on it. Guess what? Fluid was shot. Blackstone recommended 15k intervals with Z1, maximum.

If I can get 30k miles out of Redline D4, I'll be happy.
Show me the documentation indicating the fluid was not fit for use.
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Originally Posted by Turbonut
Show me the documentation indicating the fluid was not fit for use.
I don't have a scanner.

Here is a typed version of the results, along with the comments.

Code:
Vehicle: 2008 Acura TL Type S
Fluid:  Honda Z1 ATF (Factory fill)
Mileage on fluid: 14,368 
Mileage on unit: 14,368

Date: 3/29/10

              Sample          Universal Average 
Aluminum   34               19
Chromium   1                 1
Iron          74               68
Copper      15               12
Lead         1                 4
Tin           1                 1
Moly         1                 1
Nickel       0                  0
Manganese 3                 1
Silver        0                  0
Titanium    0                   0
Potassium  4                  1
Boron       187              199
Silicon      15                13
Sodium     10                 7
Calcium     327              366
Magnesium 205              157
Phosph      7                 76
Zinc         199              263
Barium       11                4
Viscosity @ 210F = 40.9      Should be 43-45
Flashpoint = 331
Water = 0
Insolubles = 0

Comments:
Silicon is slightly higher than average, most likely due to transmission breaking in.   Viscosity indicates the fluid has sheared slightly, most likely due oxidization along with consumption of the additive pack.  This would be consistent with the elevated iron and aluminum readings in your sample.   Based on our analysis in your application, we would recommend a 15,000 mile drain interval with this selection.   Check back for trends with the next sample.
Enjoy!
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Thx all....I believe I am going to do both cabin & engine air filter by myself. I did the cabin filter already......using info in the forum.....Could someone please point me to instructions for changing ENGINE AIR FILTER?


I am using following as a reference for things to do for 30,000

http://www.acuraofbellevuemedia.com/...ule.html#newtl

Going to take to the dealer to do following,

# Add Fuel Injection Cleaner
# Change Transmission Fluid
# Replace Oil Filter
# Change Engine Oil
# Check All Fluid Levels
# Adjust Parking Brake
# Flush Brake System

Please let me know if anything is not needed.

Thx so much again
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Originally Posted by woow14623
Thx all....I believe I am going to do both cabin & engine air filter by myself. I did the cabin filter already......using info in the forum.....Could someone please point me to instructions for changing ENGINE AIR FILTER?


I am using following as a reference for things to do for 30,000

http://www.acuraofbellevuemedia.com/...ule.html#newtl

Going to take to the dealer to do following,

# Add Fuel Injection Cleaner
# Change Transmission Fluid
# Replace Oil Filter
# Change Engine Oil
# Check All Fluid Levels
# Adjust Parking Brake
# Flush Brake System

Please let me know if anything is not needed.

Thx so much again
not needed IMO-flush brake system, add fuel injection cleaner. Brake fluid should be changed 3 years (no matter the mileage).
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Originally Posted by BradE
Here is a typed version of the results, along with the comments.
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Vehicle: 2008 Acura TL Type S
Fluid:  Honda Z1 ATF (Factory fill)
Mileage on fluid: 14,368 
Mileage on unit: 14,368
Date: 3/29/10

Comments:
Silicon is slightly higher than average, most likely due to transmission breaking in.   Viscosity indicates the fluid has sheared slightly, most likely due oxidization along with consumption of the additive pack.  This would be consistent with the elevated iron and aluminum readings in your sample.   Based on our analysis in your application, we would recommend a 15,000 mile drain interval with this selection.   Check back for trends with the next sample.
Enjoy!
Guess I've got to ask about the viscosity. Most are rated Kinematic Viscosity @212F cSt, and don't know the conversion, but a low of 4.9 (low viscosity when new) to 10.0 (High temp). The Honda Z1 is actually 7-7.2 compared to Amsoil ATD which is 7.4, but doubt the shearing is of any concern as it's just a fluid property of Group I-II ATF's.
Also I would have thought that the TAN level would be incorporated with any ATF results.
I still say it's still good to go. If you didn't have it examined, you'd never know the difference.
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Could you guys pls recommend me a good fuel injection cleaner?
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I believe fuel injection system cleaners can foul up plugs.

Running seafoam will help, but you'll have to replace your plugs after that as well.
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Try Blaster injection cleaner it's the most popular seller at my store and shop owners have reported great results. It's the best results you can get from a gas additive inj. cleaner. You can find it at NAPA stores
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