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Old 03-16-2012, 06:28 PM
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My TL is never "clean" as yours [Rust Galore]

Well, about time I made this thread.

Let me tell you this first:
I bought my car privately knowing there were cosmetic, but were fixed and repainted. Not to mention I bought it for a GREAT deal...

I know you guys probably think wow, GP has a clean TL.







Well, take a look at the rust:

On the hood:

Many rock chips, covered by touchup paint globs and a rust spot:




Open up the hood and this is what you see:







Now, onto the rear passenger quarter panel.













Driver's rear passenger side is FLAWLESS!!!





Just recently started seeing this above the passenger tail light.





Now lets look at the engine bay:





Wiper arm even has rust...



Alright, so that's pretty much it.

To some it up, there's rust:
On the front of the hood
Rear Passenger Quarter Panel
Above Passenger Tail Light
On wiper arm

So you guys are probably like "GP16! Set your priorities straight man!!!!"
Well, one of the last mods is gonna be tint, which I have scheduled on Sunday.
Then I still need my shark fin painted, and maybe a decklid spoiler in the future. Oh, my new interior LED boards come in next week too.

But no, you won't be seeing me with new rims, new coilovers, new sound system, etc.

Soon, my TL will just be an A-Spec TL just like the others, so you won't see any "progress" updates from me.

Cheers.
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its cancer...
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Originally Posted by JETSPD1477
its cancer...
Yes.

Here's one of the first pictures I took of the car:

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GP, you hid them well! LOLOLOLO
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GP, you hid them well! LOLOLOLO
My camera takes really good pictures and hides imperfections
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since, i lived in warm non corrosive states all of my life; how do you go about fixing all of that?
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And the worst part is, I don't know how the rust forms!!!!

It formed SO quick. I only bought my car in April 2010.
No rust...

What's on the hood:
Nothing.


August 2010:
What's on the rear quarter panel and on top of the tail light?


Nothing.

Something just tells me the guy who had the car before fixed up damages, but didn't do it properly or seal it up or remove the rust underneath and just painted over.
Then when winter passed by, the rust started to show.
That's one thing I noticed, the rust gets worst over the winter season, but kinda halts during the summer season.
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Originally Posted by justnspace
since, i lived in warm non corrosive states all of my life; how do you go about fixing all of that?
Cut out the rust, weld in a new piece of metal, grind down the weld bead, lots of bondo and putty, rust-proof preventing paint, primer, base coat, clear coat.

I took auto body class so I know the process and have done it on older cars.
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^do they lay down salt in the winter?
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Originally Posted by justnspace
^do they lay down salt in the winter?
I think so, and dirt.

I wash my car bi-weekly at the coin wash though.
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^^^bi-weekly? I wash my Accord every weekend during winter months I spend around $7 washing carefully especially any connection line between bumper and body panel, side skirt and door.

Yes they do lay down salt and sand on the road during winter months many of you owner living in warm state won't see it. BTW in some state they lay down this sticky liquid like sugar sticky, once they stick to your car it will be hard to get it off and that why I spend about 10 mins at the car wash.
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I'd get rid of it dude. That's some very severe rust issues for a fairly new car. And the fact that it's not in one particular area too is scary. Will Acura cover some of that?
Old 03-16-2012, 08:52 PM
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Damn dude the cancer your car has beyond severe.
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Originally Posted by honda_nut
I'd get rid of it dude. That's some very severe rust issues for a fairly new car. And the fact that it's not in one particular area too is scary. Will Acura cover some of that?
Doubtful they'll cover it he bought it privately not from the dealer. It'll be considered normal wear plus not to mention they'll blame it on environmental conditions. Who knows though maybe he might be able to get it covered under good faith I dunno. Good luck though GP!
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hmmmm... did the previous owner lived near the beach by any chance?
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Originally Posted by truonghthe
^^^bi-weekly? I wash my Accord every weekend during winter months I spend around $7 washing carefully especially any connection line between bumper and body panel, side skirt and door.

Yes they do lay down salt and sand on the road during winter months many of you owner living in warm state won't see it. BTW in some state they lay down this sticky liquid like sugar sticky, once they stick to your car it will be hard to get it off and that why I spend about 10 mins at the car wash.
Yup, twice a week...

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Originally Posted by honda_nut
I'd get rid of it dude. That's some very severe rust issues for a fairly new car. And the fact that it's not in one particular area too is scary. Will Acura cover some of that?
Yeah, you wouldn't expect to see rust from an 04
Probably got in an accident, rusted, wasn't repaired properly, rust came back.

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Damn dude the cancer your car has beyond severe.
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Doubtful they'll cover it he bought it privately not from the dealer. It'll be considered normal wear plus not to mention they'll blame it on environmental conditions. Who knows though maybe he might be able to get it covered under good faith I dunno. Good luck though GP!
I'll have a talk to my Acura dealer and see what they think, but I doubt they would do anything.

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hmmmm... did the previous owner lived near the beach by any chance?
Nah, from the city.
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On the plus side, I have enough bodyshop experience to remove the rust and bondo.

I was thinking maybe I could just do the rust removal work myself, and get a body shop to do the paint work.
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oh my..... even the caliper is completely full brown. Did you look the condition under the car? Jeez man, If I were you I would trade that car. This is beyond cancer.
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WOW! That's messed up GP. My car is the same year as yours, and I endure the same shitty Canadian winters, but my car looks nothing like yours! Did you have your car rustproofed since you've owned it?
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Well, no more close-ups, right GP?
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Originally Posted by guitarplayer16

Something just tells me the guy who had the car before fixed up damages, but didn't do it properly
That is exactly what it is. BUT, you don't have holes yet, so you might be able to grind down the rust that is there on the wheel arch, which is probably the most important part because it's part of the unibody, unlike a fender that you can just unbolt and replace. If that rusts through, then you're cutting out sections of car and welding in patch panels.

If I was in you shoes I would probably unbolt everything from the exterior that CAN be unbolted (headlights, tail lights, side markers, front fenders, splash shields, rear license plate bucket and bumpers) to see how bad the rust really is. Then get under it and have a look at the frame to see if that is rusting. Hopefully it's not. The stuff under the hood doesn't look bad, and borderline normal. I think this is just a case of some half assed pre-sale touch-ups.

Like I said though....you need to nip it in the bud now before it gets terribly worse. Oh, and as far as the hood goes, just buy a new one and get it painted. It'll cost more to fix it.
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Now I know what was ment when i was told never buy a car from up north :/ eek! There has to be some sort of anti rust coating out there tho, is there not??
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Originally Posted by cokorote
oh my..... even the caliper is completely full brown. Did you look the condition under the car? Jeez man, If I were you I would trade that car. This is beyond cancer.
Yeah, did you know the caliper is BRAND new?
My rear passenger caliper froze and they charged me $720 for 1 new caliper, 2 rear brake pads, and the rest labour.

I don't want to think about trading it in.
I have spent countless hours and thousands of dollars (not only on mods, but misc replacement parts and detailing stuff) into it

Originally Posted by M.I.N.O.
WOW! That's messed up GP. My car is the same year as yours, and I endure the same shitty Canadian winters, but my car looks nothing like yours! Did you have your car rustproofed since you've owned it?
No, two winter seasons I had it and no rustproofing was done.
Definitely an underlying problem when I bought the car, and not from the winter. Not saying the winter had no effect, though.

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Well, no more close-ups, right GP?
Yeah, well, now you guys know.
My car. It's the worst TL I've seen on here.
Except for the pictures of the ones that caught fire and rusted up.
Those cars are bad.

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That is exactly what it is. BUT, you don't have holes yet, so you might be able to grind down the rust that is there on the wheel arch, which is probably the most important part because it's part of the unibody, unlike a fender that you can just unbolt and replace. If that rusts through, then you're cutting out sections of car and welding in patch panels.

If I was in you shoes I would probably unbolt everything from the exterior that CAN be unbolted (headlights, tail lights, side markers, front fenders, splash shields, rear license plate bucket and bumpers) to see how bad the rust really is. Then get under it and have a look at the frame to see if that is rusting. Hopefully it's not. The stuff under the hood doesn't look bad, and borderline normal. I think this is just a case of some half assed pre-sale touch-ups.

Like I said though....you need to nip it in the bud now before it gets terribly worse. Oh, and as far as the hood goes, just buy a new one and get it painted. It'll cost more to fix it.
Actually, the underbody of my TL is pretty good believe it or not.
I'll have to get it up on the lift or hoist again, but the mufflers and stuff don't look too bad. Now the metal cat covers are rusty.
Oh, and suspension components are rusty, but I thought that was normal.

I agree with you that it looks like most of it can be grinded off, which is what I plan on doing myself when it gets nicer out.

Despite the rusty areas, she's still my baby and I will continue to hand wash her daily and keep her pristine as I can.
I just hope she does her job of keeping herself pristine...
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Originally Posted by MissAlyyTL
Now I know what was ment when i was told never buy a car from up north :/ eek! There has to be some sort of anti rust coating out there tho, is there not??
No, it must be just my car.

The screwed up thing is all the cars I see on AZ and in Canada that have like 100k+ miles are still in GOOD condition and no rust.

My 04 TL with 90k miles isn't...
As pointed out, it has to be that the car was damaged before and rusted, and covered up without fully removing the rust.

And yes! The rustproofing here is mostly done by "Krown".
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Originally Posted by CubanLynx84
Doubtful they'll cover it he bought it privately not from the dealer. It'll be considered normal wear plus not to mention they'll blame it on environmental conditions. Who knows though maybe he might be able to get it covered under good faith I dunno. Good luck though GP!
In no way is this Normal wear and tear. Even with environmental conditions, this type of rust just doesn't happen unless the car is 30+ years old. I'm not 100% sure, but I think Acura has a warranty on rust and corrosion.
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Sorry to see this GP. Is it possible that your car incurred flood damage prior to you buying it? Do your electronics all function normally? I hope you bring her back to her former glory
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Originally Posted by honda_nut
In no way is this Normal wear and tear. Even with environmental conditions, this type of rust just doesn't happen unless the car is 30+ years old. I'm not 100% sure, but I think Acura has a warranty on rust and corrosion.
I will definitely talk to the dealer about it.
Problem is, my Acura dealer (closest one) is 50 minutes away.
I don't have any relationship with them so I doubt they will try anything for me.

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Sorry to see this GP. Is it possible that your car incurred flood damage prior to you buying it? Do your electronics all function normally? I hope you bring her back to her former glory
Don't think it incurred flood damage.
All my electronics function great!

Thanks for the support.
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you should paint that sharksfin antenna a rust color.

sorry man, had to...

sorry to see this. I would get it fixed ASAP if you plan on keeping the car for a while. it'll only get worse over time, as you know.
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Originally Posted by SharksBreath
you should paint that sharksfin antenna a rust color.

sorry man, had to...

sorry to see this. I would get it fixed ASAP if you plan on keeping the car for a while. it'll only get worse over time, as you know.
I'm definitely gonna paint the sharkfin still...

You're right. I plan on driving it til it dies.
Actions WILL have to be taken this summer.

After that, that will probably mark the end of my modding days and I start laying low.

Really nothing left to do to the car after the tint and maybe the decklid spoiler.
Anything done to it is just cleaning, cleaning, cleaning. Keeping it prestine.

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^nothing wrong with that. we'll all get to that point eventually. I'm almost there myself...not much else I can do to the car.
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Originally Posted by SharksBreath
^nothing wrong with that. we'll all get to that point eventually. I'm almost there myself...not much else I can do to the car.
Your TL can retire a SICK one, though whereas mine can retire a normal A-Spec lol

Anywho, if I were to repaint my car, it would be BMW Alpine White with a black roof.
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Damn, I just looked it up and it does not look like it will be under warranty. 2004 TL's had 5 years / unlimited miles for body rust. You should put your skills to use and DIY. Take lots of pics.
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Damn, I just looked it up and it does not look like it will be under warranty. 2004 TL's had 5 years / unlimited miles for body rust. You should put your skills to use and DIY. Take lots of pics.
Will do
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dang that sucks i know your pain tho lol we have the same issue up here in Alaska 60 percent of cars up here has CANCER lol unless its new or came from lower 48s gl on the fix tho!
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That sucks bro! Sorry to see! Your TL still looks better then mine though.....at least you don't have a baseball sized dent on the hood and a dent on the roof pillar.
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Just curious. What is your process in cleaning your car and do you wax it often? What wax? A PROPER wash and wax should prevent most, if not all, rust. Granted, it could've been the previous owner.
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Originally Posted by truonghthe
^^^bi-weekly? I wash my Accord every weekend during winter months I spend around $7 washing carefully especially any connection line between bumper and body panel, side skirt and door.

Yes they do lay down salt and sand on the road during winter months many of you owner living in warm state won't see it. BTW in some state they lay down this sticky liquid like sugar sticky, once they stick to your car it will be hard to get it off and that why I spend about 10 mins at the car wash.

Try 2 and a half hours for me per wash using double bucket method with grit guard, brushes for detail, condition and brush dust off leather, and a proper small/low speed buff for wax.
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Ouch. The fact you mention such acceleration in growth and expansion not only makes me curious about previous damages but also the condition of the body metals and paint work. I mean, if it's that aggressive, there has to be a greater underlying issue.
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thats tdot for you bro!! used to live there couple years agoo!! rust basket!!


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