Turbo Kit for Acura TL '04-'08
05-05-2009, 10:02 AM
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The purpose of running it easy is to get the exhaust (turbine) side to get down to a more reasonable 400-500 degrees before shutting it off. When I run mine hard, the exhaust side looks like it's see through and will light up the whole engine compartment from the glow.
05-05-2009, 10:04 AM
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05-05-2009, 01:24 PM
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05-05-2009, 02:04 PM
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With a very high quality oil, probably nothing. All that happens is you have the exhaust side running at over 1,000 degrees. Luckily you have a steady flow of oil through the center section to the bearings to keep it reasonably cool. When you shut the engine off, the heat that's held in the exhaust side starts heating up the center section and bearings. It heats the oil that's no longer flowing, just sitting there and causes it to coke which is bad for the turbo.
The purpose of running it easy is to get the exhaust (turbine) side to get down to a more reasonable 400-500 degrees before shutting it off. When I run mine hard, the exhaust side looks like it's see through and will light up the whole engine compartment from the glow.
The purpose of running it easy is to get the exhaust (turbine) side to get down to a more reasonable 400-500 degrees before shutting it off. When I run mine hard, the exhaust side looks like it's see through and will light up the whole engine compartment from the glow.
05-05-2009, 02:28 PM
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05-05-2009, 03:33 PM
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some alternatives are as follows:
1. build in a 2nd oil loop for the turbo which has a small electric pump and two one way valves (each oil feed into the turbo has a one way valve, etc). use a simple-to-make one shot timer w/ relay that runs the pump for 5 min after you yank the key.
2. same type of controller as #1 but use a small 12v fan to blow air directly onto the turbine housing after you yank the key.
3. use a turbo that has water jackets as this will drastically reduce the risk of oil coking the center section.
least complicated, 3,2,1
most protection, 1,3,2
most reliable, 3,2,1
but remember, many if not all OEM turbo cars use basic turbo that has oil-only sleeve bearing and the people who drive them simply turn the car off not knowing that the turbo is killing the oil and bearing.
05-05-2009, 04:24 PM
#331
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that is one way, let'er idle for a minute or two before shutting the engine off.
some alternatives are as follows:
1. build in a 2nd oil loop for the turbo which has a small electric pump and two one way valves (each oil feed into the turbo has a one way valve, etc). use a simple-to-make one shot timer w/ relay that runs the pump for 5 min after you yank the key.
2. same type of controller as #1 but use a small 12v fan to blow air directly onto the turbine housing after you yank the key.
3. use a turbo that has water jackets as this will drastically reduce the risk of oil coking the center section.
least complicated, 3,2,1
most protection, 1,3,2
most reliable, 3,2,1
but remember, many if not all OEM turbo cars use basic turbo that has oil-only sleeve bearing and the people who drive them simply turn the car off not knowing that the turbo is killing the oil and bearing.
some alternatives are as follows:
1. build in a 2nd oil loop for the turbo which has a small electric pump and two one way valves (each oil feed into the turbo has a one way valve, etc). use a simple-to-make one shot timer w/ relay that runs the pump for 5 min after you yank the key.
2. same type of controller as #1 but use a small 12v fan to blow air directly onto the turbine housing after you yank the key.
3. use a turbo that has water jackets as this will drastically reduce the risk of oil coking the center section.
least complicated, 3,2,1
most protection, 1,3,2
most reliable, 3,2,1
but remember, many if not all OEM turbo cars use basic turbo that has oil-only sleeve bearing and the people who drive them simply turn the car off not knowing that the turbo is killing the oil and bearing.
Honestly, besides the preluber, I think the only correct way of doing it is with a water cooled turbo and a small electric water pump to circulate water for a few minutes. Otherwise the water that's left in the center section quickly boils away. The old Porsche 951s used a system like that.
With that said I've never had a single turbo issue other than debris going through it and all I've done for the most part is drive gently the last mile or two before shutting it off.
05-05-2009, 05:21 PM
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05-05-2009, 05:47 PM
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Hi Guys
I have not read your thread in full and i will, but have you guys come up with a turbo kit for a TL 2004 and newer. i am interested and if we need to put our resources together please let me know.
I have not read your thread in full and i will, but have you guys come up with a turbo kit for a TL 2004 and newer. i am interested and if we need to put our resources together please let me know.
05-05-2009, 05:50 PM
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If all you are concerned about is the capabilities of the EM Blue, just get a AEM FIC, it has the same capabilities as the blue, but works with out vehicles. I reality what we need is a V6 version of Hondata (not just a reflash) or standalnoe, but then you lose so many other functions of the car including even things like AC.
05-05-2009, 06:06 PM
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Don't let it scare you. It's not necessary, just a luxury. Drive it nice for a mile or two before you shut down and you will be fine. Even if you don't you will still likely be fine. A lot of the coking issues were with the older grp I and II oils. With modern "fully" synthetic oils I wouldn't worry.
05-05-2009, 09:46 PM
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do you really want to spend $10k? if you want such power save yourself the grief and buy a car that has the power, or, buy a car that has already been boosted a zillion times over then build your monster. you guys are treading into the unknown zone and in the long run it would cost lots of $$ and support will be minimal. but if you do manage to custom build a turbo setup that is manageable and the engine doesnt pop, then more power to you. until then, happy chattin' about the dream.
05-05-2009, 10:36 PM
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man, who was the funny bastard that responded to one of the noobs that started a "I really want to beat my friend's IS350...who makes a turbo or chip..." thread a little while back:
-[noob] "hey guys. I'm new to the forum and want to add some power and smoke my buddy in his IS 350. Is there a turbo kit or chip I can buy?"
-[veteran] "Here's what you do. Go down to the nearest Subaru or Mitsubishi dealership and trade your TL in for an STI or EVO..."
that's butchered, but those that read it remember how funny it was.
-[noob] "hey guys. I'm new to the forum and want to add some power and smoke my buddy in his IS 350. Is there a turbo kit or chip I can buy?"
-[veteran] "Here's what you do. Go down to the nearest Subaru or Mitsubishi dealership and trade your TL in for an STI or EVO..."
that's butchered, but those that read it remember how funny it was.
05-05-2009, 10:38 PM
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If all you are concerned about is the capabilities of the EM Blue, just get a AEM FIC, it has the same capabilities as the blue, but works with out vehicles. I reality what we need is a V6 version of Hondata (not just a reflash) or standalnoe, but then you lose so many other functions of the car including even things like AC.
05-05-2009, 11:29 PM
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Like NVA-AV6 said... AEM FI/C is the way to go... i've held off on it, just b/c you cant advance timing on our cars, and you need that for a N/A engine
i think a medium single, or small twin turbo on this car, can be tuned sufficiently with an AEM FI/C 1910 box & boomslang harness + some bigger injectors & pump... retard the timing, increase fuel pulse/width and your set to make a cool 75-100hp
i would just incorporate a lot of extra sensors/gauges (boost, a/f,oil temp, maybe water temp and KNOCK <most important!!)
if i only had $$ to burn....
i think a medium single, or small twin turbo on this car, can be tuned sufficiently with an AEM FI/C 1910 box & boomslang harness + some bigger injectors & pump... retard the timing, increase fuel pulse/width and your set to make a cool 75-100hp
i would just incorporate a lot of extra sensors/gauges (boost, a/f,oil temp, maybe water temp and KNOCK <most important!!)
if i only had $$ to burn....
05-06-2009, 09:36 PM
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don't know if anyone asked this yet, but say it does work, will he be willing to produce this again for potential customers? and if so, at what cost?
05-07-2009, 07:42 AM
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That happens around here...you get used to it.
It's Thursday...what are the chances we get info? Not to sound like a naysayer, but you get used to empty promises around here, too. Info today or not, at least this project holds promise, unlike so many others before.
It's Thursday...what are the chances we get info? Not to sound like a naysayer, but you get used to empty promises around here, too. Info today or not, at least this project holds promise, unlike so many others before.
05-07-2009, 11:13 AM
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from their site:
"Update 5/06/2009 We Drove 400 mile to dyno this morning unloaded car set it up on dyno everything is good but the car wont start after trouble shooting come to find out the boomslang harness is completely wired wrong tried to contact them but their conveniently are closed untill May 10. We have reached out to Paul from aucrazine who has had experenciene fixing these haraness. We are sending out harness today to be corrected,so right now we are just gonna be waiting n it to come back to us so we can reschedule dyno. We would just like to take the time to thank everyone for their interest, concerns and patience. We are Trying to reach out to people thatare knowledgeable about are cars so that are kits will be 100%, in doing so R&D is necessarywhich takes time Thanks "
x_X ehh looks like we might be waiting a bit longer?
"Update 5/06/2009 We Drove 400 mile to dyno this morning unloaded car set it up on dyno everything is good but the car wont start after trouble shooting come to find out the boomslang harness is completely wired wrong tried to contact them but their conveniently are closed untill May 10. We have reached out to Paul from aucrazine who has had experenciene fixing these haraness. We are sending out harness today to be corrected,so right now we are just gonna be waiting n it to come back to us so we can reschedule dyno. We would just like to take the time to thank everyone for their interest, concerns and patience. We are Trying to reach out to people thatare knowledgeable about are cars so that are kits will be 100%, in doing so R&D is necessarywhich takes time Thanks "
x_X ehh looks like we might be waiting a bit longer?
05-07-2009, 11:41 AM
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A J35A8 EG civic is in
Conveniently the car doesnt start once on the dyno. Maybe some low hp number issues? 
.. im just one of those instigators that jump to conclusions 
.. im just one of those instigators that jump to conclusions
05-07-2009, 11:43 AM
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^^^ what i was thinking x_X how did they just finish a 400 mile drive, and then the car just not start all of a sudden? oh wells. i'm still waiting =]
05-07-2009, 03:18 PM
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^^^ 
so close yet so far....next thing u know is they try to increase the boost and the engine comes out the hood and the tranny comes from the bottom.....
sorry i thought that would be a funny sight LOL....
so close yet so far....next thing u know is they try to increase the boost and the engine comes out the hood and the tranny comes from the bottom.....
sorry i thought that would be a funny sight LOL....
05-07-2009, 03:38 PM
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Did it really only make 265?
05-07-2009, 03:38 PM
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How come both times we expected to see a TL with a new charger, an incident occurs? (Referring back to the TLS with the S/C.)
05-07-2009, 07:27 PM
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I am still going to call this guy tomorrow and try to meet up with him .. I still applaud them for trying to do what alot of people havent done or say CANT be done. Like he said, lots of things happen during the R&D process. For example, the first time I swapped motors in my civic.. IT TOOK ME 6 MONTHS to get it completely issue free!! I had no idea what I was doing haha.. but in the end it was running awesome.. When I talked to him he did say that he doesnt like this site sometimes because of all the naysayers.. I agree with him in that regard sometimes.. At least they are doing more then anyone else has tried. Takes alot of money and time to come out with a turbo kit that is marketable!