RYAN97812

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bernard you made 341 to the wheels, what kind of dyno was that on? Roller or hub mount? Never had a problem with the seven regulators that i have crushed on all the kits i have installed. Comptech redesigned the tool to crush the regulator and it crushes the other side then the original tool but both worked and were fool proof. You must have really tightened the tool in a vise pretty hard to overcrush it. Are you just using a g tech meter or do you have a real track by you that you run at? Bone stock i ran 14.72 and with the s/c and cat back it went 13.66 no other mods then that.

mrobichau

Nav Mod? new image? how?how did you mod nav image?

RobertQ

SAME SHIT HERE ALL THAT MONEY FOR NOTHING

Excelerate

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Look again. He fixed his problem. Here is what he said:

RYAN97812

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I dont understand how people are getting this wrong?

Bernard1973

we used as far as I remember five FPRs with different squeeze gaps, every time we did so we dynoed the car (all tests has been made on 6MT) and as I said the best squeeze gap is 0,4mm, every 0,02 makes a difference - it's weird but it's tru, notice 0,38mm has 10hp less than 0,4, the HP we got are not on wheels, that is under the hood, whp are more a less same like CT says.
We use two different dynos (MAHA largest german manufacturer up to 500whp, and custom made polish 4x4 up to 1200whp where we dynoed our 4x4 corvette with over 1000whp and 9seconds to 402m(1/4mile)

Second TL 5AT has little worse results, but its engine was just less powered when it left the plant, before S/C 250hp instead of 270 and the result is 320hp

Bernard1973

forgot to write AFR at WOT it's 12:1, the boost at low rpms is approx 3,5 and at high revs reaches 4,5

lookinco

SO the dyno numbers are not WHP?

Bernard1973

how could You reach 340whp from a V6 ?stupid questions

lookinco

340whp with a V6? A turbo CL-S running at 10psi dyoned at 460whp, and that's with stock internals i believe.

with the new TypeS motor and supercharger running at 8~10psi, i am expecting myself to have at least 350whp.

Bernard1973

that's possible, we have over 600whp Jazz/FIt and same number Integras, but not with supoercharger from Comptech, that's what I ment writing stupid question with stock engine and S/C, sorry for misunderstanding

lookinco

if my memory is correct, i beleive a fellow member on this forum dynoed at 320whp with the comptech supercharger running at only 4.5psi. That's with stock engine and just bolt ons. With the high boost pulley I am sure we could get it close to 350whp. I don't see any reason why the comptech supercharger is not able to do this. The eaton charger is able to run up to 10 ~ 15 psi provided there is adaquate cooling and good fuel tuning.

I believe even up to 400whp is possible with the comptech supercharger as long as there is good intercooling and fuel tuning. And with the comptech supercharger running at stock configuration, many TL have dynoed over 300whp.

ndabunka

The 320 is NOT fwhp, it's "at the crank" and yes, 320 "crank" HP (up from 270HP) is fairly common with the s/c as it typically addes 50-60HP

lookinco

LOL maybe you should do more research before you post false information like that. One of the member ,Nitrotiger, dynoed at 317WHP with supercharger, E-shift procat, Comptech exhaust, and boost cooler. Check out his thread and dyno sheet here: https://acurazine.com/forums/showthr...highlight=dyno

There are other members that dynoed at well over 300whp. These are NOT crank HP.
Also like you stated if TL is only making 320hp at the crank with the SC, with 15 to 20%drive train lost, we would only be at around 250 to 270whp which appearantely is not true unless there is something seriously wrong with the TL.

ndabunka

LOLEL - You seem to contradict yourself. Read the post I was replying too. It stated ONLY S/C, no cat-back, no etc. Your post to me is in error, not mine. No offense however. Also, the drivetrain loss is different for the manual and AT's. It may not be as large as 50HP but in #'s vary. Most AT TL's have around 210rwhp from the factory. I guess the manuals have up to 220 so my statement that an Supercharger ALNONE cannot get ANY TL from the 210/220 range into the 320 range will stand. As far as claims by others... This IS the internet and people often do not understand what they are talking about. Like you I have seen a number of IDIOTS on this forum claim 300fwhp only to have to run back with their tails between their legs when the obvious is pointed out. So beit. I am not in anyway saying that 300+ whp is not possible. WHat I am saying is that 300+ wheel horse power (i.e. as measured AT THE GROUND where the wheels meet the ground) is NOT POSSIBLE with a supercharger ONLY. Re-read and I think you will agree.

ndabunka

Mayeb I am in error. He did reference... Just "bolt ons"... Let see... The S/C adds roughly 60HP. The cats add what 15? the CAI another 5-8. The pulley can do (just about anything), the mapping of the fuel system, NOS, radial drags... yea, I guess you can call ANYTHING a bolt-on so, yea... 300+HP with just bolt ons is possible. Of course, ANYTHING can be bolted onto a TL EVEN a 900HP v8 could "theoritically" be "bolted on... Where does it end?

lookinco

I never mention ANYTHING about getting over 300whp with ONLY the stock engine and supercharger. 317whp is for the supercharger with simple bolt on. No NOS and definitely no V8 engine..lol

check out another member's dyno. He dynoed at 309whp with ONLY the supercharger and comptech exhaust. Nothing else. There are the dyno graph and video to proof. All dynos are showing WHP numbers (i.e. as measured AT THE GROUND where the wheels meet the ground). I don't think anyone took their engine out to dyno the crank HP.
https://acurazine.com/forums/showthr...highlight=dyno

All I am trying to say is that the TL with supercharger is capable of making those power and not as weak as you guys thought. Shouldn't you be happy about making more power IF you actually own a TL?

And if your biggest argument to other's prove is "This IS the internet and people often do not understand what they are talking about", then you are right! "Where does it end?"

ndabunka

Common quotes from the thread you pointed me to above..." Stock HP is 220-230. The latter being for a 6MT"...." With the s/c I gained 21 whp and 16 lbs/ft from the Procats"... "with the s/c kit it showed 287whp on the dyno back in June"...Sure seems like the guys getting 287whp is not getting anything near the guy gettign 314whp. If 220-230 is stock whp and it only added 21whp, the number SHOULD be more around 251whp (like I stated). It also sounds like (as with ANY forced induction effort) that you can get differing success rates and therefore more or less power fomr the s/c "bolt-on". Seems like 60whp is about the max based on most threads so 230+60 yeilds 290...not 300+

lookinco

hmm.....if according to your post, a TL with procat have around 251whp and the supercharger adds 60whp, then shouldn't it go up to 311whp?

And if you actually know anything about tuning, you would know numbers do not add up like that when you put mods on the engine.

ndabunka

Unfortunately, all dynos do not list HP the same way. For example, the Mustang and Dynojets often differ by over 10%. The setup of the dyno is also critical. I can setup a dyno showing that I have an auto. The dyno then can apply a different loss ratio to the tranny then in a straight drive. If the next guy has a manual and uses the same loss figures, the reading go way high (like has happened in a number of these report you see). Face it, most guys want to claim they have the "strongest engine". Maybe it's a sign of insecurity. I personally, would rather see an accurate reading. I took my TL into a shop that had a Mustang unit and had it dyno'd. Unfortunately, they were only familiar with dynoing 4wd cars and therefore left it on 4wd when dynoing mine. Mine showed 186whp max (which I know is wrong) but the price was cheap and they didn't know how to fix it at the time so I just let it go. I do out run most other TL's even though mine is an AT with no mods. Figure I either (1) have better wheels (most likely) or (2) drive better (less likely) or (3) Have a hot engine (mid-likely) so... now that it's about paid off, it's probably time to try the SC...Glad to see some are having (or at least reporting) significant success.

ndabunka

Hey, those weren't MY words.. they came form the other posters on that thread. I agree that it is not always a striaght line model. I also agree that with s/c and cats and pulleys etc 300+ is possible so we really are on the same page. SC alone = no 300

lookinco

Also, there are many reason why some TL didn't dyno as high as others. The main problem is we have no tuning options and we are only relying on the ACM from comptech and a crushed FPR. This alone will affect how much fuel is going to the engine which obviously would affect how much power the engine will make. Also, no two engine is identical. Some will always be stronger and some will be weaker.

All i am doing is showing that the TL is capable of making those power. There's no point arguing by quoting the TLs that dynoed low numbers and claim the ones making high number are making things up.

RYAN97812

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You want true hp your NOT going to get it from a dyno. You can base hp by vehicle weight and trap speed (mph) and figure out closer to what your real wheel hp is than a calculated dyno program. A dyno is a great tuning tool if the SAME dyno is used each time in roughly the same conditions. All the bickering over hp is a waste of time. Track it with out a s/c (which i did bone stock 14.7 @ 96 mph which equates to 247 fwhp) and then track it after your mods and youll see what kind of numbers you make (s/c and cat back thats it 13.6 @ 102 which equates to 298 fwhp) So throw whatever numbers you want around or argue any point you would like but try power is easily measured at the track and not by a g tech meter or a dyno. Et isnt useful for figureing hp since it is affected by wheel spin but mph hardly is.