robbie82

Questions, I live on Long Island, NY. I have considered a cold air intake before, but am nervous and very hesitant of getting one for my TL. For one my previous car was a Honda civic SI. I had a suttle drop with all the usual mods and and a CAI. On a rainy night i was driving down a road I was unfamiliar with. I hit a puddle I didnt not see at about 25mph. Stop half way in and pulled out 3 second later I herd some clunking from the engine and I knew what was happening, as Im sure most of you guys do to.

I would NOT want the same result happening to the TL. However the CAI was one of the best performance mods to my car, and I loved the sound it produced when at high RPM. I was considering making a custom short ram intake for the TL, but wanted some of your guys pros and cons on it. Would it even make any performance difference? And of course I have seen it before, so any pics/advise/suggestions would be appreciated.

Thanks fellas.

Conor

I have a secret weapon sri, and I really love it. You will hear a bunch of people on these threads bash it because it is not a cai. It has amazing sound and very noticible gains. I couldnt be happier with it. I installed it in about 20 min. The main reason I went with it is because I live in Seattle and drive in rain a lot. Another option is the k&n typhoon intake which comes as a cia but can be changed to a sri. Both are pretty close to the same price, give or take 20 or 30 bucks.

stillhere153

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Which weapon R SRI did you get exactly, I've seen 2, I too am considering going that route, I live in NYC, and lately we've been getting record rain...

topckret

I would recommend the K&N Typhoon CAI kit. It's got the best of both worlds. Convertable (Cold or Short Ram). I have it on my car and it's great.

robbie82

Exactly, Tue morning I walked to my to see half the wheels under water! not nearly close enough to the intake, but if I was coming down that road, and all that water splashed up it would have def been enough to get into the filter area, for the intake to ingest....Yikes!!!

Im gonna look into those too options...

Conor, thanks for the info, are there any pics you can take good buddy?

Slammed_JDM

I had a custom short ram intake. With the shot ram intake you loose power and gain sound. reason why you loose performance is because it is sucking up all the hot air in the engine bay. With a cold air it suck from the lower grill vent and only suck cold air. Its a night and day difference with the cold air. I know have a custom cold air which i love and it cost me a whole $40 buks to make and i made it to AEM specifications. Its a night and day difference from the SRI and CAI, u really feel the power lost when u try it out with another car that you have previously ran, Just cause it sounds louder doesnt mean your moving faster.

EL19

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yea i have a custom covertible sri to cai and its a night and day diff...the throttle response for the sri is better but the cold air has gains throughout the entire rpm range...sri jus had better throttle repsonse cuz it didnt take as long for the air to get to the engine...i say go with the k&n so u will have the best of both worlds...it onlt takes bout 2 miuntes to pull off the extra piping to go sri

ChicagoBurbs

I can't seem to find a K&N SRI for the '07 TLS (on the K&N site they state that there are none). Has anyone found one that fit the 3.5 yet?

2006civic

as far as i know .... all the parts from the 3g TL fit the typeS

so any intake that fit the 04-07 reg TL's should work on the Type-S ..

there have been posts about this before

stillhere153

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Not necessarily, I beleive someone tried to put the K&N Typhoon in a 07 TL-S and it didnt bolt up...

Injen AEM and Fujita is the way to go for CAI
Weapon R for SRI...

I really doubt the SRI from Weapon R is useless, I may test it out though and find out

robbie82

Wow, so a CAI intake makes that much HP huh?

But what about over stock, The short ram must be better than stock no?

Slammed_JDM

I noticed a decrease in power with the short ram when the car will heat up because the SRI is sucking up all the hot air that the motor produces in the engine bay as i mentioned earlier in this thread.

stillhere153

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but you did say a custom one, not weapon R... I am pretty sure if he goes with a sri it will be one that is dyno tuned

EL19

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i really dnt see any purpose in having a short ram intake if u dont have a ram air hood...

Slammed_JDM

How do you figure? The custom short ram intake i had was on dime to the specifications of the Weapon R one. Whats the difference color? Any SRI will decrease power unless theres a vented hood to receive cold air. If not ur only sucking in HOT air from the engine bay.

Conor

That is not acurate about the sri making the car loose hp. If you look in the front of the car there is a large tube that pushes outside air directly to the air filter. As long as you are moving, you are getting cold good air pushed to the filter. Also, the air that the stock air box takes in is just as warm as the sri. Maybe this is just my experience, but I have had the weapon wr with an aem filter and I have more power all the way thru the power band than I ever had with the stock box. I think that saying you loose power with a sri is an uneducated and ignorant statement.

stillhere153

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also there is a thread about a custom stock air box where you put some tubbing from the bottom of the bumper up to the stock airbox, author reported noticeable gains... using that mod with an sri I would say even more noticeable gains SAFELY from water

robbie82

Thanks for your thoughts and expierence, this does make sense....I am highly considering getting the Weapon R SRI.

stillhere153

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make sure you get the second one, there are 2 different types... this is the one you should get the following

DNPhotography

i am in the same boat. i had a CAI on my civic about 8 years back. and i ran over a puddle and the car died that night. now im so scared to put a CAI on any car i own. here in Hawaii it rains constantly. what i was thinking is to get a AEM CAI and make a cut somehwere in the middle so i can make it into two pieces. so in case it does rain i can easily convert it into a short ram. what are your thoughts?

drdug27

didnt want to wait for the 07 CAI to come out so i took my box off and replaced it with a ten inch red universal cone filter that i got at pep boys. it was around 30 bucks. nothing on performance but man she absolutely screams now. at 5500 it is the best sounding car i have ever owned. im sure the CAI will be and sound even better but for now im enjoying this a great deal

robbie82

Pics please!!! Did the check engine light come on? Please sure everything on your experience with this!

stillhere153

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yo that pepboys stuff is pretty decent, I mean I don't know about using their filter but if you make a custom ram you can measure the diameter and head over to ebay and buy a filter..., filters depending on brand are cheap... fujita $25... aem dryflow $45

robbie82

Video of WR short ram intake sounds nice! I think this might be the one for me!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M58A4Xm8rXI

TCM 01 CL-S

Comptech really needs to get their act together and make you guys an Icebox.

stillhere153

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the funny thing is that via that setup you can see that the intake is far anough away from the motor, directly above from where it can get the stream of cold air... I really don't buy the idea that weapon r sri loses power because of heat....

safe way to go

robbie82

I agree....I dont think they would develop anything if it didnt create gains...makes no sense...

I think Im gonna go with this....

joerockt

I ordered a Red AEM CAI from Excelerate for my TL-S. I had one on my old TSX and its a great bolt on mod.

robbie82

Believe me If I could I would I WISH I could get on.....I have already gone through puddles that reach half the wheel/just over the bumper.....so too close for comfort for a CAI. That SRI in the video looks good tho....sounds mean, just as much as the CAI

drdug27

i will get ya pics this weekend. im tellin ya looks pretty good....and it sounds better than the weapon. it just gasps and whines and no check engine light. if i knew how to do a video i would but i can barely turn a computer on.

drdug27

stillhere153

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aw man you measured that sooooo wrong... all you had to do was go on eBay and gotten a fujita filter for $25

ps. that is an SUV intake

robbie82

Oh my thats a hefty filter!? I mean it looks good, but cant having to much air coming in throw off the mixture amount?

How many wires that are connected to the intake have to be rewired?

robbie82

Also you have a 3.5TLS engine the guy in the video (like me) has a 3.2TL engine. Im sure thats where the sound difference comes in.

drdug27

its not an intake...just simply a universal cone filter

stillhere153

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well I was just looking around ebay and say a short ram setup for like 70 bux... random filter though... seems it would save some cash to get that and simply put a aem filter at the end

robbie82

Here is a nifty picture to show how the The Weapon-R Secret Weapon Intake System was designed, im sure its a little more fancy than whats actually going on but I was reading some reviews and it gets just as much gains as most CAI systems. Prob not as much as the high end ones, but Im sure it still produces power.

drdug27 another reason why thew acutal intake system is still a better set up is becuase of 2 things.

1) The materials used to create the tubing is heat resistant, so aside from the actual temperature of the air coming in, nothing around the intake will cause the airflow to become warm.

2) The filter that is specially made for an intake system is designed to "propel" the air into manifold a lot better than the stock one does since it really dosent to that much at all, and although its not true "ram air" it does the job a lot better than conventional intake systems.....

im def gonna go with this system....my min is made, ill prob post pics and stuff of it once its complete...

robbie82

oops here is the numbered descriptions:




Weapon-R Secret Weapon Air Intake Systems
How it works cut away illustration:
(1) High Density Foam Filter
(2) Turbo Velocity Stack
(3) Primary Airflow
(4) Secondary Airflow
(5) Air Funsion
(6) Hook Up for Optional Ram Air Hose

Product Description:
The Weapon-R Secret Weapon Intake System was designed, to increase air intake volume to the engine. The concept is to create two different air velocity profiles, one traveling at higher speeds than the other does. This technology increases air volume and speed to the engine, which naturally feeds the engine 3x more air than the conventional air intake system. The intake pipe is bent out of high quality 6061 Aluminum on our Automated CNC mandrel bender. Polished to a high show quality finish. The SW1 Air filter features a tuned velocity stack to increase velocity and decrease turbulence.

robbie82

Picture of it installed:

stillhere153

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very nice accents the engine bay very well... unfortunately I went the way of the CAI, so many people friggin preached it to me, I got the fujita one, going to put an aem filter on it though... got it for $125 so I couldn't say no...