RV6 True Dual Exhaust for '04-'08 TL. Accepting deposits now
07-24-2010, 12:56 PM
#241
contemplating future mods
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I'm in NY... back of the car discount would have worked great for me. Oh well. If only the new exhaust would fit in the back of your car. Either way, I still love my J-pipe.
07-24-2010, 01:51 PM
#242
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Richie, if you're able to create custom tips, how about a quad set-up for the base? I've seen a thread on here that had a chrome set of tips and so long as the dimensions are the same I don't see why these can't be duplicated in Ti....keeping cost in mind of course.
I like the option of having a variety of tips to select from. Perhaps have a standard set-up at the mentioned price with the option to select a different tip at an additional cost? Not sure how labour intensive that would be for you, but I'd rather have the system come complete from you, regardless of tip selection, and not have to worry about having it welded on by a local shop.
I like the option of having a variety of tips to select from. Perhaps have a standard set-up at the mentioned price with the option to select a different tip at an additional cost? Not sure how labour intensive that would be for you, but I'd rather have the system come complete from you, regardless of tip selection, and not have to worry about having it welded on by a local shop.
07-24-2010, 04:04 PM
#243
Sorry... these aren't the best due to morning traffic. Highway acceleration vids and WOT drive-bys should be coming soon.
Also, recorded these with my iPhone so the sound isn't the best.
View it HD!
http://www.flickr.com/photos/jmkiang/4820405676/
http://www.flickr.com/photos/jmkiang/4819794183/
Also, recorded these with my iPhone so the sound isn't the best.
View it HD!
http://www.flickr.com/photos/jmkiang/4820405676/
http://www.flickr.com/photos/jmkiang/4819794183/
07-25-2010, 10:32 AM
#246
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07-25-2010, 11:18 AM
#247
This looks like a good exhaust. I think if the tips your using weren't short like that it'd look much better. And since I didn't get a chance to get an atlp quad this would make up for that. Personally I do think the atlp is a bit overhyped. But let's see what other tips get thrown on this.
07-25-2010, 09:09 PM
#253
Burning Brakes
Amazing, just wish I had the funds for this first batch
07-25-2010, 10:27 PM
#254
Veni, vidi, vici
^u better start saving up bro! At least for the second batch, sounds like rich is going to reach his quota with this first batch soon, my guess in like another week or two.
07-26-2010, 12:34 AM
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hmm, drive-bys in the car sounds clean but it would be nice to hear the exhaust on a car without a cai.... truthfully, the sound from the cai drowned out the exhaust in the video, but that might just be me.
would be nice to get some pure exhaust vids.
would be nice to get some pure exhaust vids.
07-26-2010, 06:48 AM
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I may be interested also but I want to wait until a few other guys get theirs first... I've been burned by a "deposit" first deal when I was building my civic.
07-26-2010, 08:13 AM
#259
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I bought Rich's j pipe, so I know he checks out.
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07-26-2010, 09:02 AM
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07-26-2010, 09:11 AM
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Just to help clarify... I'm not saying that I don't believe he is a sincere business man, I meant that I still would just like to see how happy some of the members are with this product and how it performs. I've always been one to research different things before performing modifications. If I'm going to spend that kind of money, I just want to be sure its what I want.
07-26-2010, 09:51 AM
#262
All motor
Wow....this exhaust sounds sick.
All I heard was the CAI 
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07-28-2010, 09:00 AM
#269
I think many people are misunderstanding the average hp and tq #'s
It's true, the average increase is more important than the peak, more area under the curve or in this case more area between the stock curve and the RV6 curve.
BUT the Mustang dyno doesn't do it that way.
The averages in this case are meaninglless. Look at the numbers.
min max ave
1 2 1 2 1 2 difference
RPM 2508 2480 6646 6489 4933 4873
TQ -58 -56 191 173 114 154 -40
HP -71 -64 205 189 105 141 -36
Look at the graph, the real numbers don't start until 3000rpm yet the average HP and TQ are taken from 2508 and 2480 rpm.
What's with negative minimum HP and TQ numbers? Is that even possible?
Look at channel 1 and 2.
Channel 1, 191tq 205hp. for the RV6 +V3
Channel 2, 172tq 189hp. 2 is stock and is used in both graphs.
Now look at the ave,
1 is 114tq and 105 hp for RV6 + V3
2 is 154tq and 141 hp for stock
diff -40tq and -36hp
The difference is 40HP BUT it's a 40hp loss! This is probably attributed to the extraneous info below 3000RPM.
The average was figured out by averaging the highest and lowest numbers between 2508rpm and 6646rpm. If you look at the graph, the orange RV+V3 hp line is about 17hp@2508rpm and 205hp@6646rpm. (17+205)/2=105. The TQ is about 37@3000 and 191@5000, (37+191)/2=114, Again these are meaningless because the Tq line doesn't start until 3000rpm where its at 180tq and taking two points on a graph and averaging them isn't telling you anything.
The peak #'s are impressive by themselves, no need to try to inflate them with meaningless numbers.
It's true, the average increase is more important than the peak, more area under the curve or in this case more area between the stock curve and the RV6 curve.
BUT the Mustang dyno doesn't do it that way.
The averages in this case are meaninglless. Look at the numbers.
min max ave
1 2 1 2 1 2 difference
RPM 2508 2480 6646 6489 4933 4873
TQ -58 -56 191 173 114 154 -40
HP -71 -64 205 189 105 141 -36
Look at the graph, the real numbers don't start until 3000rpm yet the average HP and TQ are taken from 2508 and 2480 rpm.
What's with negative minimum HP and TQ numbers? Is that even possible?
Look at channel 1 and 2.
Channel 1, 191tq 205hp. for the RV6 +V3
Channel 2, 172tq 189hp. 2 is stock and is used in both graphs.
Now look at the ave,
1 is 114tq and 105 hp for RV6 + V3
2 is 154tq and 141 hp for stock
diff -40tq and -36hp
The difference is 40HP BUT it's a 40hp loss! This is probably attributed to the extraneous info below 3000RPM.
The average was figured out by averaging the highest and lowest numbers between 2508rpm and 6646rpm. If you look at the graph, the orange RV+V3 hp line is about 17hp@2508rpm and 205hp@6646rpm. (17+205)/2=105. The TQ is about 37@3000 and 191@5000, (37+191)/2=114, Again these are meaningless because the Tq line doesn't start until 3000rpm where its at 180tq and taking two points on a graph and averaging them isn't telling you anything.
The peak #'s are impressive by themselves, no need to try to inflate them with meaningless numbers.
07-28-2010, 10:02 AM
#270
Veni, vidi, vici
^^^^ Dude, you lost me at "Look at the numbers.
min max ave......"
So, are you saying that Richie's average gains are inflated?? and that it's actually lossing power? I'm lost, but then you say at the end that the numbers are impressive?so, is the graph correct or not in your opinion?
I'm still getting it, whether it gives me 40 whp, or just 2whp.
min max ave......"
So, are you saying that Richie's average gains are inflated?? and that it's actually lossing power? I'm lost, but then you say at the end that the numbers are impressive?
so, is the graph correct or not in your opinion? I'm still getting it, whether it gives me 40 whp, or just 2whp.
07-28-2010, 10:30 AM
#272
when i read "true dual"this is what i was expecting to see
http://www.alteredatmosphere.com/mm5...37Exhaust5.jpg
http://www.alteredatmosphere.com/mm5...37Exhaust5.jpg
07-28-2010, 11:03 AM
#273
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The sensor wasnt hooked up on the first graph and there is no way to tell on the second graph without scaling. 
Thanks for taking the time to figure this out and explain this. I was just trying to find a way to best represent the mid range gains. I will get these runs redone using a 6MT and a dynojet.
You dont loose power its just that the 40WHP average gains are meaningless.
There is no way to fit that under a TL and maintain ground clearance.
I think many people are misunderstanding the average hp and tq #'s
It's true, the average increase is more important than the peak, more area under the curve or in this case more area between the stock curve and the RV6 curve.
BUT the Mustang dyno doesn't do it that way.
The averages in this case are meaninglless. Look at the numbers.
min max ave
1 2 1 2 1 2 difference
RPM 2508 2480 6646 6489 4933 4873
TQ -58 -56 191 173 114 154 -40
HP -71 -64 205 189 105 141 -36
Look at the graph, the real numbers don't start until 3000rpm yet the average HP and TQ are taken from 2508 and 2480 rpm.
What's with negative minimum HP and TQ numbers? Is that even possible?
Look at channel 1 and 2.
Channel 1, 191tq 205hp. for the RV6 +V3
Channel 2, 172tq 189hp. 2 is stock and is used in both graphs.
Now look at the ave,
1 is 114tq and 105 hp for RV6 + V3
2 is 154tq and 141 hp for stock
diff -40tq and -36hp
The difference is 40HP BUT it's a 40hp loss! This is probably attributed to the extraneous info below 3000RPM.
The average was figured out by averaging the highest and lowest numbers between 2508rpm and 6646rpm. If you look at the graph, the orange RV+V3 hp line is about 17hp@2508rpm and 205hp@6646rpm. (17+205)/2=105. The TQ is about 37@3000 and 191@5000, (37+191)/2=114, Again these are meaningless because the Tq line doesn't start until 3000rpm where its at 180tq and taking two points on a graph and averaging them isn't telling you anything.
The peak #'s are impressive by themselves, no need to try to inflate them with meaningless numbers.
It's true, the average increase is more important than the peak, more area under the curve or in this case more area between the stock curve and the RV6 curve.
BUT the Mustang dyno doesn't do it that way.
The averages in this case are meaninglless. Look at the numbers.
min max ave
1 2 1 2 1 2 difference
RPM 2508 2480 6646 6489 4933 4873
TQ -58 -56 191 173 114 154 -40
HP -71 -64 205 189 105 141 -36
Look at the graph, the real numbers don't start until 3000rpm yet the average HP and TQ are taken from 2508 and 2480 rpm.
What's with negative minimum HP and TQ numbers? Is that even possible?
Look at channel 1 and 2.
Channel 1, 191tq 205hp. for the RV6 +V3
Channel 2, 172tq 189hp. 2 is stock and is used in both graphs.
Now look at the ave,
1 is 114tq and 105 hp for RV6 + V3
2 is 154tq and 141 hp for stock
diff -40tq and -36hp
The difference is 40HP BUT it's a 40hp loss! This is probably attributed to the extraneous info below 3000RPM.
The average was figured out by averaging the highest and lowest numbers between 2508rpm and 6646rpm. If you look at the graph, the orange RV+V3 hp line is about 17hp@2508rpm and 205hp@6646rpm. (17+205)/2=105. The TQ is about 37@3000 and 191@5000, (37+191)/2=114, Again these are meaningless because the Tq line doesn't start until 3000rpm where its at 180tq and taking two points on a graph and averaging them isn't telling you anything.
The peak #'s are impressive by themselves, no need to try to inflate them with meaningless numbers.
^^^^ Dude, you lost me at "Look at the numbers.
min max ave......"
So, are you saying that Richie's average gains are inflated?? and that it's actually lossing power? I'm lost, but then you say at the end that the numbers are impressive?so, is the graph correct or not in your opinion?
I'm still getting it, whether it gives me 40 whp, or just 2whp.
min max ave......"
So, are you saying that Richie's average gains are inflated?? and that it's actually lossing power? I'm lost, but then you say at the end that the numbers are impressive?
so, is the graph correct or not in your opinion? I'm still getting it, whether it gives me 40 whp, or just 2whp.
when i read "true dual"this is what i was expecting to see
http://www.alteredatmosphere.com/mm5...37Exhaust5.jpg
http://www.alteredatmosphere.com/mm5...37Exhaust5.jpg
07-28-2010, 12:51 PM
#275
Richie,
Absolutely AWESOME product u have come out with... so mad props to u. I am considering getting one at some point. Would def also want to pair that up with the Jpipe v3. You want to offer a trade in program for an ATLP Quad catback? haha JK! If i sell it im def looking into getting one.. i could careless if i lose 2.049 WHP and .00113 WTQ
The fact that this has turned into some political debate on power gains etc i am unsubscribing, i get constant emails that this thread has a new post and me thinking its something good its nothing but more typical BS.
Thot this thread was about deposits not a pissing contest or who has the biggest dick.
If you want it order it, if not STFU!
Absolutely AWESOME product u have come out with... so mad props to u. I am considering getting one at some point. Would def also want to pair that up with the Jpipe v3. You want to offer a trade in program for an ATLP Quad catback? haha JK! If i sell it im def looking into getting one.. i could careless if i lose 2.049 WHP and .00113 WTQ
The fact that this has turned into some political debate on power gains etc i am unsubscribing, i get constant emails that this thread has a new post and me thinking its something good its nothing but more typical BS.
Thot this thread was about deposits not a pissing contest or who has the biggest dick.
If you want it order it, if not STFU!
07-28-2010, 12:55 PM
#276
Three Wheelin'
Think about it, if you peak was only 20 at any given rpm and never higher at any other given rpm then it is impossible to get an avg of 40.
I see what he means in the graph.
07-28-2010, 01:04 PM
#277
Three Wheelin'
Richie,
Absolutely AWESOME product u have come out with... so mad props to u. I am considering getting one at some point. Would def also want to pair that up with the Jpipe v3. You want to offer a trade in program for an ATLP Quad catback? haha JK! If i sell it im def looking into getting one.. i could careless if i lose 2.049 WHP and .00113 WTQ
The fact that this has turned into some political debate on power gains etc i am unsubscribing, i get constant emails that this thread has a new post and me thinking its something good its nothing but more typical BS.
Thot this thread was about deposits not a pissing contest or who has the biggest dick.
If you want it order it, if not STFU!
Absolutely AWESOME product u have come out with... so mad props to u. I am considering getting one at some point. Would def also want to pair that up with the Jpipe v3. You want to offer a trade in program for an ATLP Quad catback? haha JK! If i sell it im def looking into getting one.. i could careless if i lose 2.049 WHP and .00113 WTQ
The fact that this has turned into some political debate on power gains etc i am unsubscribing, i get constant emails that this thread has a new post and me thinking its something good its nothing but more typical BS.
Thot this thread was about deposits not a pissing contest or who has the biggest dick.
If you want it order it, if not STFU!
Ok, i have a mystery mod for your car that adds 60HP at the wheels I'll sell you for $1,300.00. I also have a very rare left handed screwdriver I let go.
You'll just jump right on any band wagon wont you?
Im sure its a great exhaust, that will add plenty of power for an exhaust. But for someone to claim 40whp??? Come on be real. I dont think he was trying to misslead I think his dyno graph is just wrong. As stated above.
People are questioning the HP claim ( that is clearly not there)of a new mod and you tell them to STFU?
Eat a fat one.
07-28-2010, 01:53 PM
#278
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Folks, either have a civil discussion or don't post in the thread.
CONSIDER THIS A WARNING.
CONSIDER THIS A WARNING.
Last edited by ggesq; 07-28-2010 at 03:36 PM.
07-28-2010, 02:03 PM
#279
Three Wheelin'
There is a good gain on this setup. The problem with the dyno avg numbers are thier start and stop points. It messing up the numbers.
Look at the power (red lines) in the second graph. Thier start points are different.
See how one starts at around 70HP at 2500 rpm, and the other starts at 15hp at 2500 rpm, but did not start to rise until about 2800 rpm. Thats why it is showing a negative number. Same thing with the TQ. start points are different.
Same thing at the other end of the spectrum. Run one was ran out to about 6700 rpm, and run 2 was shut downaround 6400 rpm. The amounts to a large part of the gain in avg numbers.
But looking at the overall picture, I think this is a great exhaust. Nice gain throughout the rpm band. Also very nice gain in the lower end tq without sacrafice in the top end.
Just because the avg numbers are not accurate is no reason to not get this set up. Still makes plenty of power for an exhaust.
Look at the power (red lines) in the second graph. Thier start points are different.
See how one starts at around 70HP at 2500 rpm, and the other starts at 15hp at 2500 rpm, but did not start to rise until about 2800 rpm. Thats why it is showing a negative number. Same thing with the TQ. start points are different.
Same thing at the other end of the spectrum. Run one was ran out to about 6700 rpm, and run 2 was shut downaround 6400 rpm. The amounts to a large part of the gain in avg numbers.
But looking at the overall picture, I think this is a great exhaust. Nice gain throughout the rpm band. Also very nice gain in the lower end tq without sacrafice in the top end.
Just because the avg numbers are not accurate is no reason to not get this set up. Still makes plenty of power for an exhaust.
07-28-2010, 02:30 PM
#280
