Project Blown TL Type S is underway

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engine mounts FTMFW.... they will eliminate the wheel hop... but will surely increase the vibrations in the cabin, and when you let loose on the throttle.... your wheels will probably just spin.... im N/A and i cant get ANY traction when i go WOT... VSA on or off
And if Sean (OP) wants he can come down a pick up a set. We have some here.
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im getting the hint that auto type S's lucked out on this one.
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im getting the hint that auto type S's lucked out on this one.
It will still work, we just need to upgrade the tranny and all that fun stuff....
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I think we will use the 70a motor mounts.... We will just need to turn up the radio.... How come lowering has not been mentioned yet?
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Any one have any gauges yet? If so, where did you put them
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Any have any gauges yet? If so were did you put them
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seriously. this is gonna be the greatest thread ever

thanks to the OP, the installer and the knowledgable people.... some ground breaking stuff... as you know, i was planning this out alot too....



Originally Posted by paliknight
im getting the hint that auto type S's lucked out on this one.
yes, and no.... luckily, because acura (honda) F*ED up the automatic transmission soooooo badly in the 99-01 AV6 ,CL-p\s TL-p\s... they did some solid upgrades to the 3G auto transmission....

go lurk around the 2G forum, and see how many people had/have transmission problems.... look into 3G problems & fixes... not too much trouble in there, eh?

they beefed these trannys up, so I think a blown tl-s 5AT can handle it.. the tq convertor may be another issue... maybe we should get Dr.Evil involved on the 3G (((anybody else on here remember him and his terrible tranny tq convertors????))

so anyways, the 6SPD still has a LSD installed... one thing we will always be missing in the 5AT world.... but dont forget about the wonderful 3rd gear issue with our cars 6SPD and the Civic Si's..... so each tranny has pro's and con's.... plus, the gradelogic kicks ASS in the 07+ 5AT.

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agreed. You really did your hw Allon.
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Originally Posted by BLACKURA_NY
seriously. this is gonna be the greatest thread ever

thanks to the OP, the installer and the knowledgable people.... some ground breaking stuff... as you know, i was planning this out alot too....





yes, and no.... luckily, because acura (honda) F*ED up the automatic transmission soooooo badly in the 99-01 AV6 ,CL-p\s TL-p\s... they did some solid upgrades to the 3G auto transmission....

go lurk around the 2G forum, and see how many people had/have transmission problems.... look into 3G problems & fixes... not too much trouble in there, eh?

they beefed these trannys up, so I think a blown tl-s 5AT can handle it.. the tq convertor may be another issue... maybe we should get Dr.Evil involved on the 3G (((anybody else on here remember him and his terrible tranny tq convertors????))

so anyways, the 6SPD still has a LSD installed... one thing we will always be missing in the 5AT world.... but dont forget about the wonderful 3rd gear issue with our cars 6SPD and the Civic Si's..... so each tranny has pro's and con's.... plus, the gradelogic kicks ASS in the 07+ 5AT.

my

That is fixed with good old GM synchromesh....100% success rate. GM is finally good for something.
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Originally Posted by subsonicman
Any have any gauges yet? If so were did you put them




when i had mine in...i still have both gauges some where lemme know if you would want them
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So were looking at a pretty expensive s/c build for the tl-s. My question is how will the top half of the motor hold up to 7 psi. We all know that the bottom half can be built out but what about valves and springs all that other stuff. I am almost to the point of buying a short block from Acura and builing out the motor for turbo after now realizing the cost of having this semi bolt on s/c kit work and other things that are still needed to do this. My next question is with the ECU cracked can i add a piggy back system to help with the fuel and timing mapping. Tuning has always made give up on thinking about building a turbo system out. So this has givin me a big grin with wanting to fab up my own custom turbo system knowing that tuning is now a option.
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The cost of the supercharger was expensive, the modification were easy, and fairly cheap. I used the ct engineering acm. The CAR runs great. Still waiting on the dyno, to confirm, but NO knocking, no common lean issues. The only part i think really sucks is the rev limit of 5500
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Yes the s/c is very expensive and i would like to do just a tune to squeeze out whatever power is left with the mods i have done. So hopefully a piggy back system can work.
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The s/c kit was expensive, the required modifications were inexpensive, we went the ct engineering acm. The only crappy thing about that is that it is non tunable. But then again, it comes programmed for 6 pounds of boost. We are only ar 4-5 pounds for now. I am looking into better fuel upgrades, but at this point the acm works great ct makes a great product. The fuel regulator needs a lot more finessing, because it is different then the non type s
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^ if you were to work with the fuel system..... i believe the RDX injectors are closest and best match to use, and should only require slight modification to make them fit... but you'll probably need to upgrade your fuel pump too
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Are the RDX injectors best to use cause the spray pattern is the same or because easy of install. All great info if i plan to build custom turbo setup.
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my turn to help

injectors... rc injectors 440cc ftw

as for where to put the gauges... I can help with that also

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Originally Posted by subsonicman
The cost of the supercharger was expensive, the modification were easy, and fairly cheap. I used the ct engineering acm. The CAR runs great. Still waiting on the dyno, to confirm, but NO knocking, no common lean issues. The only part i think really sucks is the rev limit of 5500
why is the revy maxed at 5500??? something to do with the acm????
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That was a typo. It definitely doesn't redline at 5500.
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i believe the ACM doesnt change the rev limiter.. it just lowers VTEC engagement point from like 4700RPM to like 3000RPM
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so whats up with this weekend s_heng & subsonicman.. i might be inclined to take a ride up to connecticut to check this out !!
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we can go to the body shop and check it oout,


#####sorry for the typo, i have the flu, and a fever#####
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Stillhere, I like your idea w/ the guages, but if I go that route, I'd like to just fab up a piece to sit in the center channel speaker hole. I mean, how useful is that speaker anyway?
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well if you get the cluster I linked, you can run it up through there... make it so that they pop up peaking at you lol... you'd have to take the dashboard out and get the dremel out... but... the work would be worth it
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Originally Posted by s_heng_62
Stillhere, I like your idea w/ the guages, but if I go that route, I'd like to just fab up a piece to sit in the center channel speaker hole. I mean, how useful is that speaker anyway?
Do you have NAVI? If so...I believe this center speaker is kind of crucial.
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^^+1...i was just about to sa that.....you will lose all voice commands and such
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But i can put a voice speaker any place.
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if your vibe audio sponsorship is solid, they may be able to do the install of a voice command speaker/etc somehwere
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Originally Posted by BLACKURA_NY
seriously. this is gonna be the greatest thread ever

thanks to the OP, the installer and the knowledgable people.... some ground breaking stuff... as you know, i was planning this out alot too....





yes, and no.... luckily, because acura (honda) F*ED up the automatic transmission soooooo badly in the 99-01 AV6 ,CL-p\s TL-p\s... they did some solid upgrades to the 3G auto transmission....

go lurk around the 2G forum, and see how many people had/have transmission problems.... look into 3G problems & fixes... not too much trouble in there, eh?

they beefed these trannys up, so I think a blown tl-s 5AT can handle it.. the tq convertor may be another issue... maybe we should get Dr.Evil involved on the 3G (((anybody else on here remember him and his terrible tranny tq convertors????))

so anyways, the 6SPD still has a LSD installed... one thing we will always be missing in the 5AT world.... but dont forget about the wonderful 3rd gear issue with our cars 6SPD and the Civic Si's..... so each tranny has pro's and con's.... plus, the gradelogic kicks ASS in the 07+ 5AT.

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my cars 3rd gear along with all synchros were replaced and shifts better then when i bought it even in freezing cold conditions it dosen't grind feel notchy just perfct shifting and i have regular honda MT fluid

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So were looking at a pretty expensive s/c build for the tl-s. My question is how will the top half of the motor hold up to 7 psi. We all know that the bottom half can be built out but what about valves and springs all that other stuff. I am almost to the point of buying a short block from Acura and builing out the motor for turbo after now realizing the cost of having this semi bolt on s/c kit work and other things that are still needed to do this. My next question is with the ECU cracked can i add a piggy back system to help with the fuel and timing mapping. Tuning has always made give up on thinking about building a turbo system out. So this has givin me a big grin with wanting to fab up my own custom turbo system knowing that tuning is now a option.
Top end of the motor on the Type-S is beefed up and shldn't be a problem. I've seen the inside of both heads 04-07 and 07-08-S and the main difference is the stronger valve springs and cams on the type-S. Either way the issue is in the bottom end, not the top end.
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the s/cer is great but it should be no worries tou any of you. I have 5000 miles on it and no problems.
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the s/cer is great but it should be no worries tou any of you. I have 5000 miles on it and no problems.
5000 hard miles hahaha j/k
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Top end of the motor on the Type-S is beefed up and shldn't be a problem. I've seen the inside of both heads 04-07 and 07-08-S and the main difference is the stronger valve springs and cams on the type-S. Either way the issue is in the bottom end, not the top end.
So with that being said i might just buy the short block from Acura and start to build out the bottom end maybe get a little more displacement out of the 3.5 to 3.7 with solid pistons and cylinder sleeves to handle more boost. But it still all comes down to being able to tune everything that is going in.
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if you build it it will run
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So with that being said i might just buy the short block from Acura and start to build out the bottom end maybe get a little more displacement out of the 3.5 to 3.7 with solid pistons and cylinder sleeves to handle more boost. But it still all comes down to being able to tune everything that is going in.
I wonder if the 3.7L short block will bolt up to your heads...
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So with that being said i might just buy the short block from Acura and start to build out the bottom end maybe get a little more displacement out of the 3.5 to 3.7 with solid pistons and cylinder sleeves to handle more boost. But it still all comes down to being able to tune everything that is going in.
forget sleeving it. Go with the short block and stroke it using RL/MDX internals which are forged. I would use Type-S heads for sure. You can get it to a 3.7 too without sleeves.
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Yeah the heads will bolt right back to the short block with no problem, and i was looking at cryo freezing CP forged pistons and a lightened crankshaft. That might be a cheaper more reliabale route than trying to get RL/MDX internals from Acura.

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