07tltypes6spd

Planning on dropping the motor on my car soon, going to be going turbo. But wanted to do pistons and rods on the car first to lower compression. Wanted to also do some valves, springs, retainers, but gonna keep the type s cams. Any recommendations as far as what size pistons everyone is running as well as if anyone even makes valves and stuff. Price is not a issue. Thanks.

Majofo

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KN_TL

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Get in touch with Andy Gerzina (gerzand).

He probably has the most exotic J35 in existence. Also might consider a Rotrex SC instead of a turbo. Different power but avoids some of the issues we all have experienced with turbo setups. Andy has everything you need in that area as well.

6spd-GERCO

I would recommend running pistons that fit

Step 1 - buy stock type-s piston
Step 2 - send to piston manufacturer of choice
Step 3 - buy custom made pistons from said manufacturer

07tltypes6spd

looked into the supercharger kit andy has but i got a killer deal on a turbo set up i could not pass up. Anyone do valves or springs?

Majofo

Majofo

To add to that, regarding rods:

Step 1 - buy stock type-s rods
Step 2 - send to rod manufacturer of choice
Step 3 - buy custom made rods from said manufacturer

Hi speed

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Look at the turbo threads for details on the pistions and rods. I know Paulter has the rod info and Wiseco has the measurements for the pistions.
Where did you find a turbo kit?

thoiboi

In addition:


Step 1 - buy stock type-s valves
Step 2 - send to valves manufacturer of choice
Step 3 - buy custom made valves from said manufacturer

cu2wagon

I have noticed a trend!

With the window cracked, holler back, money ain't a thang.

OsK

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money ain't a thang huh. for a 21 yr old. nice bro. good luck on your build.

pls don't rage when you blow your motor in 20k miles. turbo costs moolahhhhhhhhhh, and def not reliable. check out turbotls on instagram as well (Shayne).

TacoBello

yeeeeup. To do it right, I'm thinking you need at a minimum, a solid 15k. I would also add in another 5k on top of that for "whoops, forgot about that" or "uh... I wasn't expecting that to break"

If you want it to last and you want it to be reliable... you'll easily drop 25k in total. These cars do not handle forced induction very well.. for modest boost, maybe. Anything beyond that, you better have huge knowledge on what you're doing, have extremely knowledgeable people around you, and very deep pockets. There's no two ways around it. That's why you see so very little turbo TLs.

If you want reliability, sell the TL and by a 370z/G37 and turbo that. The aftermarket forced induction support is MASSIVE. The knowledge pool is HUGE. There are numerous kits you can buy- supercharger, single turbo, twin turbo. You can reliably make 500hp without breaking a sweat or having to do engine internals. (yep, the stock engine is pretty stout). A kit will cost you 7500-12000. I'd add in another 3000-5000 for add ons. the370.com has a list of over 200 guys with forced induction on their 370s. That's where you want to be.

I know you bought the turbo kit for the TL already (not sure what that means, as there are no actual kits for the car, unless, of course, you got the ebay special). That already tells me you're trying to pinch pennies and going turbo, at 21, is no easy task. You bought a cheap turbo kit, but will ultimately spend more overall to get the car to where you want it to be.

TacoBello

I'd be highly surprised if he made it 20k miles on a budget build. Judging by the past, it won't end well.

screaminz28

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25K? That's lunacy. If you aren't doing the work yourself, labor will be cost a good amount, but 25K is overboard. For 25K, you'd better be getting a bespoke turbo kit on a fully built motor, built transmission, and installed. The reason there are very few turbo TLs is that there is not an off the shelf setup available for less than 5K. Back when the JnR was made, it was what, $5500? And THEN you had to drop another $1500+ on an MS3, and a $200 clutch, and a $1000 exhaust. Nuts. The JnR kit was way ahead of its time, and Rodney was a pioneer. The real problem is that in the import world everyone is so stuck on brands its not funny. If you HAVE to have a brand name turbo and ancillaries, then yeah, you're gonna drop some cash. But you can have a functional, reliable turbo that doesn't cost $1500+. Hell, a ball bearing Garret is nearly 2500 bucks. That's CRAZY on a car that at BEST is worth what - $12K? Most of the 06 and below cars are 5000 dollar cars. I paid $1500 for mine and I'll be ticked if I have more than 10K wrapped up in it with EVERYTHING - paint, wheels, suspension, turbo, etc.

The G37 argument is one I considered - before I had my TL I had an 04 6MT G35. God that car was awful. Don't get me wrong - it looked good, drove fine and was reliable. But the interior of the first gens were awful. Seats were terrible, center stack was dumb, it was just a bunk car. Plus it was a Nissan :shudder. Sure, everyone says RWD is better, yes, I get it - but hey, I like my Honda FWDs. And I'm definitely biased, but I STILL think the 3G TL is hands down the best designed and looking vehicle of the past 20 years. There's a few that come close, but I think the TL is just a beautiful car.

So back to the turbo setup. China rods are proven to over 1000 HP with no issue - lots of savings there. I vote stock pistons to start unless you really just want to drop another grand - there's no cheap options there yet. Hell, I'm gonna run the stock engine until I grenade it - why not, it has 230K on it. So, China turbo, china intercooler (which from every pic I've seen that's what the JnR had), china wastegate, china BOV. That's the hard parts. Some intercooler piping, some manifold piping, and a downpipe.

Trubendz 3in exhaust to make sure it can flow well.

Some good injectors - price depends on size and HP desire. Ken is making basically 400 WHP with RDX injectors and all other fueling stock. Add a $100 fuel pump to go higher if needed. Follow the KISS principle and stay returnless unless you are going for some 700 HP monster, and if you are, you are just going to do it, and not read this.

Hondata for tuning. Learn to tune.

Much less than 25K. Even Andy showed a reliable 430+ WHP is capable from a stock Type-S with his bolt on supercharger kit, and I think that car was an auto.

I think that the main issue with not seeing a large FI environment with this car is a few things:
1. Autos were primary transmission sold - and they suck and break without extra power
2. No proper tuning solution for a long while
3. Comptech supercharged examples making sub 300WHP - FOR OVER 5K? NO THANKS
4. FWD
4. Retardo clutch - have you ever priced an aftermarket setup? Are they made of gold?

Now that these cars are cheap, I think we will start to see more FI examples, but even if the JnR was available right now, it's a hard sell dumping $5500 into a turbo kit that still needs another $2000 in supporting items on a car worth $5K or less.

If there were a turbo kit available for $2500 or $3500 - that becomes more within the realm. I think it's easily done, hell at a $3500 pricepoint, a baseline Hondata tune could be included.

cu2wagon

But just in trial and error alone, that $3500 could easily turn into 7k. Now start factoring in non-china parts (not saying they wouldn't work, but a lot of people like the piece of mind that an engineered part, not just a copied part, brings) and one can easily push past the 10k range.

And like you mentioned, once the engine is built and putting down power, you'll start finding the next weakest link to reliable drivability. Clutch? Tranny? Axles?

The sky is the limit, but IMO, I wouldn't touch this project without having $25-30k bookmarked for reaching the finish line. But then, at that price point, I'd probably just go buy a Boxster or something.

YMMV

thisaznboi88

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dododod still making close to 400whp on stock block, stock fuel system with rdx injector, stock clutch, and lots of water meth. Daily driven :0

Depends on how much power you want to make. Pistons and rods are always good, but tuning and probably water/meth or e85 will help a lot with detonation and keeping the motor happy.

TacoBello

25k if you want a reliable build. Thats 20k + 5k for unforseeables which WILL occur. Don't take aznboi88 to be just any old enthusiast. He's been at it for years.

TacoBello

Wait. I thought OP wrote all that. All I can say, screamin, is there's a reason a single turbo kit starts at 7500 these days. And that's just the kit. No supporting mods at all.

OP is not Andy. He is not Aznboi88.

thisaznboi88

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Now I am confused taco... Lol. To OP is the kit from J&R? And do you have flashpro?

Also doesn't accordflex have a boosted tls on stock internals? I haven't seen him post in a while

Majofo

Read the OP, Money ain't a thang!!!

07tltypes6spd

lol love how you keep saying at 21, doesn't matter if im 21 i know these cars were not made to push forced induction but you never see any of them that do! Thats the only reason why I wanna build one, and to top all that off no i didnt buy a turbo kit off ebay. Labor I wont have to pay for I run my familys mechanic shop I was just seeing what people have had luck with and any recommendations. Thank you everyone for any input.

Majofo

The JnR kit was a good start and it wasn't overpriced, Rodney's margins were slim, he was overcommited, and that's why the stack of cards collapsed
It's not just another 2k.. Bert dumped another 10k into his build and then.. boom..
part out.. so Taco wasn't far off.

I love the part where Screamin is like.. "learn to tune"
The TL is a horrible fucking platform to do FI..
Sure it's great from 70 to 120.. but Rodney and the crew all spun the fuck out of their wheels otherwise.. and if they actually did get traction.. trans
It was a fun adventure, Rodney sending me emails, "Hey brah, setup my AEM FIC" .. "You crazy brah, send it to AEM"

I suggest a modest setup by Andy.. otherwise NOSSS BRAHHH!!

thisaznboi88

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My suggestion would be to boost on the current motor and build another block on the side with forged internals. Port and polished cylinder heads. inconel valves, and super tech valve springs. I think Andy aka gerzard should be able to get you the inconel valve and valve springs.