06NH6MTTL

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i just got my tl and previously had a 02 s2000 with omni power master cylinder installed and loved it!!

my question is does any of the ones they sell fit 3rd gen tl with a 6 speed or no?

94eg!

To me it looks like the RSX version would fit. The 04-08 TL and 02-06 RSX use the same master cylinder. Though I don't know if would try it with the over-complicated and expensive LT clutch system.

callahan

Wow never seen those before, that would be awesome if it was a direct swap.

brian6speed

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I bought the rsx omni mc for my 2nd gen cl. I havnt installed it yet tho. I believe a few people are running the one for integra also.

KN_TL

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There were other posts about this being a direct replacement where they blew their master cylinder with an aftermarket clutch.

Why would you be concerned about it being a problem? It's just a fluid based means of pushing the throwout bearing.

94eg!

It will be fine if their engineers did it right (you have to trust that). But with so little travel, you greatly reduce your margin of error. To me it seems it would be pretty easy to push the throw-out bearing too far if your pedal wasn't setup right during install.

brian6speed

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This thread has some info on it and what needs to be done to install and get it working properly.
https://acurazine.com/forums/showthr...highlight=omni

phee

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i can confirm the 3g and 2g master cylinder interchangeability.

06NH6MTTL

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that link had good info but it was mostly for 2g owners has anyone with a 3g did it with out any modification

brian6speed

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The 2g and 3G use the same tranny so I don't see how it would be different. A 3rd gen tl tranny bolts right up to a 2nd gen cl.

06NH6MTTL

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i hear you but this is being bolted to the firewall thats the point i need to know. will the hard line screw in?

KN_TL

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User tl2slow has done it. He mentions it in this thread, post #14 but this was back in 2009.

https://acurazine.com/forums/showthr...highlight=omni

He hasn't been on since 12/2 but if you PM him, he probably can answer your question when he does sign on. If you get an answer, I would be interested in what he says.

gwiffer

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I want to know if anyone has successfully installed one of the $50 Wilwood clutch master cylinders. You can pick between .625" (5/8" OEM), .70", or .75". I would prefer not to make the jump to the massive .827" (21mm) Omni unit.

I know it might just be a rumor, but after doing the slave cylinder checkvalve delete, I can totally believe that the return force of the pressure plate could potentially damage the seals in the CMC after enough hard shifts...OEM CMCs go for ~$95 online w/o shipping.

06NH6MTTL

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i can tell you this much if you haven't drove a vehicle with the omni you need too!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! it makes the oem clutch in any car feel like a 6 puck

HQTL6SPD

Subscribed!!

Looking forward to seeing reviews on the 3G

HQTL6SPD

All manual Acura TL 04-08 (Incl Type-S)




#8 46920-S7A-A03 MASTER CYLINDER ASSY., CLUTCH


2006 RSX-S (I only crossed refferenced this year, other years may fit too)



#5 46920-S7A-A03 MASTER CYLINDER ASSY., CLUTCH


Looks like we may have a winner boys!

KN_TL

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I hadn't heard of anyone having issues with their CMC's after doing the check valve removal. Do you have any references to that?

The issue people had that was mentioned here was either not correctly adjusting or not being able to adjust the freeplay correctly with an aftermarket clutch and they had the system under constant pressure.

KN_TL

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If you go to the omni power site and look at the CMC, the output port is angled toward the firewall where the stocker looks to be straight up.

I am not trying to discourage anyone but it may not be a simple bolt up. You may need to do some work with the hardline. The other possibility is that OMNI isn't representing the RSX version on this page.

http://omnipowerusa.com/product.asp?P_ID=132

gwiffer

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I think there was a Honda/Acura tech on here who claimed he replaced multiple CMCs after they had failed; presumably due to running the deleted checkvalve for a significant amount of time. He claimed that w/o the checkvalve, the pressure plate would send a shockwave towards the CMC after an agressive shift.

I think I saw his posts in the checkvalve delete DIY thread, but I could have read it on one of the Accord sites. As far as I know it was only a rumor...I'll see if I can dig it up.

06NH6MTTL

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ok... here's my next question! How do you get to the clutch master to pull it out? i can barely see it

KN_TL

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I haven't taken mine out but it looks like there should be nuts inside the driver footwell.

94eg!

The one pictured is the more common 92-00 Civic/94+ Integra clutch master cylinder. This was the first one Omni put into production.

06NH6MTTL

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ya that's where they are but i mean how do you get in there to get the line disconnected then snake out the master and get the new one in!! any one with pics?

gwiffer

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Would removing the cowl free up any room?

KN_TL

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I just checked the service manual.

Remove the covers
Drain CMC reservoir
Remove stock air filter box
Remove battery and try
Remove Under Hood Fuse bolts and move aside

Should be self explanatory after that.

phatrick

Someone doooooo it!

06NH6MTTL

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damn that's a lot of work but isn't that freeing up all the room to the front of the shock tower. Then i am guessing that you have to use a line wrench in your left hand to get the line disconnected

KN_TL

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^along with the reservoir hose.

brian6speed

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I have all the answers but I am only a useless 2g owner so I will keep to myself.

KN_TL

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HQTL6SPD

Finally bit the bullet on this, it'll get here next week hopefully. Any new updates (for those of you who already installed) ?

Sonnick

^ What did you do? And what would this effectively do? Shorten the clutch travel?

94eg!

It shortens the overall travel, takeup, distance between grab & lock, and makes the pedal harder to push. The stupid part is that you have to reduce the pedal height significantly so your not over extending the clutch pressure plate every time you push the pedal to the floor. That means your clutch pedal is going to be very low relative to your brake pedal. If you don't do this, you risk damaging pressure plate.

If you can live with retarded pedals, then go for it...

http://www.team-integra.net/forum/19...ml#post1439152

Stock pedal height (Integra)


Omni MC pedal height (Integra)

KN_TL

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The other thing you could do is remove the pedal assembly and weld on a stop. I had the same issue when adjusting my twin disc.

Sonnick

Holy crap...that's a huge difference. That must dramatically reduce shift times.

94eg!

I didn't realize it was foot speed that was holding up "shift times". Especially in a transmission with a temperamental 3rd gear synchro.

Sonnick

It's like a short shifter for your feet, why wouldn't it reduce shift times?

06NH6MTTL

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I can say this works perfectly when paired with a short shifter but i just had another oem installed at the dealership so i wont be going for the omni. HQTl6SPD any updates?

94eg!

Personally I believe it's the heavy flywheel/clutch combined with the throttle-by-wire trying to rev-match gears that make for slow inconsistent "aggressive" shifting. Also the syncrhos are not that strong or quick in this car. And don't forget the clutch-delay valve inside the slave cylinder. Quick shifting in a TL just sounds like a recipe for disaster.

As I said, I seriously don't think the clutch pedal is the hang-up here.

Sonnick

^ I agree. I'm not saying it is, but I'm assuming it'd result in quicker shifts, especially with the check valve delete. Quick shifting with a LW flywheel would definitely put less strain on the drivetrain.