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I'd wager more that since TSUDO isn't a vendor, the capitalism nazis (could that even be a thing) want to make sure it's easier to find one of the brand name exhausts that are sold by vendors here.
Excuse me but every vendor and sponsor on ACURAZINE uses this site as a platform for sales...
That's exactly my point. I don't believe any vendor on here sells Tsudo. They all sell the 'better' cat-backs that cost a grand or more. So, to prevent people from knowing about, and purchasing a cheaper alternative, the name is changed by a moderator.
It's an easy way to appease the vendors while not just deleting the post which would be blatant. I think they'd be better off just deleting it and coming clean. It look underhanded changing it on the sly.
I don't think that regular members can change thread titles, which means a mod or admin had to do it. The fact that they didn't acknowledge that they changed the name in the thread is just more evidence that they are doing it on the sly.
That doesn't make sense. Tsudo isn't marketing anything on AZ, just a user posting up a product he bought. This happens all the time, with non-vendor products. What's the difference in this case?
Vendors pay to have their names and products openly available and marketed on AZ. Tsudo does not. But they also aren't pushing their own stuff on here. There's no rule violation. Mods aren't about to close down every thread just because someone isn't a vendor.
Don't look at those ultra rare wheels someone just bought. They're not a vendor here!
That doesn't make sense. Tsudo isn't marketing anything on AZ, just a user posting up a product he bought. This happens all the time, with non-vendor products. What's the difference in this case?
Vendors pay to have their names and products openly available and marketed on AZ. Tsudo does not. But they also aren't pushing their own stuff on here. There's no rule violation. Mods aren't about to close down every thread just because someone isn't a vendor.
Don't look at those ultra rare wheels someone just bought. They're not a vendor here!
I agree it doesn't make sense but there hasn't been anyone to post the reason that the thread title was changed - and only mods can do it, right?
So, doesn't that lend credence to the fact that they changed it to appease the vendors? I doubt it was done with the mentality of, "oh there is a product that doesn't advertise, take it down" but rather the most likely scenario is a vendor probably whined.
Until a mod or admin chimes in with WHY they changed it - we'll never know for sure - all we have is speculation.
I think it's funny...but in all fairness the Tsudo should be fixed. Paging Dr. Bell!
Doubt anyone gives a fuck or thinks any of the market share for 3G exhaust is going to get eaten up by this company though...
People have tried to circumvent by having "friends" and "customers" post up threads to help boost sales. Shoot, I have a ton of those but they are always of my own accord because I think a neutral review will help the board.
and yes, it's not like everyone is ripping off their RV6/ATLP/XLR8 exhausts and running over to get a Tsudo one. Other than this one thread, I don't think anyone else has mentioned it even.
So, doesn't that lend credence to the fact that they changed it to appease the vendors? I doubt it was done with the mentality of, "oh there is a product that doesn't advertise, take it down" but rather the most likely scenario is a vendor probably whined.
Wasn't us!
Originally Posted by screaminz28
That's exactly my point. I don't believe any vendor on here sells Tsudo. They all sell the 'better' cat-backs that cost a grand or more. So, to prevent people from knowing about, and purchasing a cheaper alternative, the name is changed by a moderator.
The mantra "you get what you pay for" really comes to mind. Their exhaust doesn't look any better than their J-Pipe - shotty welds, poor design, and most likely sub-par materials. The difference can even be heard in the videos.
We certainly won't recommend the system to our customers, but we won't go out of our way to prevent people from having the option or allowing reviews on this site.
The mantra "you get what you pay for" really comes to mind. Their exhaust doesn't look any better than their J-Pipe - shotty welds, poor design, and most likely sub-par materials. The difference can even be heard in the videos.
We certainly won't recommend the system to our customers, but we won't go out of our way to prevent people from having the option or allowing reviews on this site.
I never mentioned any vendor by name - but I think it is safe to say that SOME vendor asked that it be changed.
Am I mistaken that only a mod can change a thread title? Why else would it be changed?
Its quite interesting that a mod hasn't changed it back either...
Vendors can't change thread titles (almost positive).
Only Regional coordinators can do that...and ban people. And use vendor fees for strippers and mushrooms.
Its normal for any vendor who feels threatened by any product out there that may do the job as well, not better, just as well, at less than half to cost of their product, to say "I would not recommend it". I am the kind of person that always wants the top of the line product for the application I may be looking for. Still, some times I will adapt and accept certain alternative once I have done the research and of course the pocket can't reach to deep. Being that said, I am including some pictures of the welds for a Catback system I just bought and received. As I do not want to offend any vendor or user of their products, I will only show the pics of the welds, which seems to be the point in quality of any catback, and keep the brand to myself.
Now, I can tell you that once I receive and opened it, I was extremely impressed with the quality and presentation of this system. I am a Sales Manager in Dallas for a capitol equipment in a manufacturing company, which all are made in SS. I brought the catback to one of our top welders and asked for his opinion and to reinforce any part if he believed it to be necessary. When he saw and checked it he said that the complete system was done extremely well and it is SS304, still he did recommend reinforcing the hinges, which he did. That it may not be as nice as one of the more expensive ones because it is not have the brand engraved in the tips, but you know what, that's just fine with me.
I hope the pictures show as I did have some problems uploading them. I believe this forum is for the community to share their upgrades, downgrades, problems, mods etc., so being that said, bring it on guys, after all that's what ACURAZINE is all about. And please, no disrespect meant to anyone!! Thanks!
The welds are very well done.
Last edited by rwcanfield; 12-10-2015 at 10:27 AM.
Its normal for any vendor who feels threatened by any product out there that may do the job as well, not better, just as well, at less than half to cost of their product, to say "I would not recommend it". I am the kind of person that always wants the top of the line product for the application I may be looking for. Still, some times I will adapt and accept certain alternative once I have done the research and of course the pocket can't reach to deep. Being that said, I am including some pictures of the welds for a Catback system I just bought and received. As I do not want to offend any vendor or user of their products, I will only show the pics of the welds, which seems to be the point in quality of any catback, and keep the brand to myself.
Now, I can tell you that once I receive and opened it, I was extremely impressed with the quality and presentation of this system. I am a Sales Manager in Dallas for a capitol equipment in a manufacturing company, which all are made in SS. I brought the catback to one of our top welders and asked for his opinion and to reinforce any part if he believed it to be necessary. When he saw and checked it he said that the complete system was done extremely well and it is SS304, still he did recommend reinforcing the hinges, which he did. That it may not be as nice as one of the more expensive ones because it is not have the brand engraved in the tips, but you know what, that's just fine with me.
I hope the pictures show as I did have some problems uploading them. I believe this forum is for the community to share their upgrades, downgrades, problems, mods etc., so being that said, bring it on guys, after all that's what ACURAZINE is all about. And please, no disrespect meant to anyone!! Thanks!
Great post rwcanfield! I'm sure people will appreciate.
No offense taken! We are actually happy to see other options on the table. As others have mentioned it's good to have options based on budgets and needs. We also install parts even if they are not purchased from us, for those that are in the area.
We are also confident our products offer a level of quality that meets the price point. Thank you for the review and detailed pictures. The welds on this exhaust do look much better than their J-Pipe. I'm curious if it was manufactured in the same place?
Last edited by ExcelerateRep; 12-10-2015 at 12:05 PM.
honestly, if the welds are done right, I probably wouldn't care what they look like. It's not like I'd ever see the J-pipe again once it's installed. The actual tube design though, would be important.
Since we are looking at the welds, here's an example of a high end exhaust and the weld quality visually and internally. The shape of the pipes make a huge difference, like others have mentioned. TSUDO is like Yonaka or OBX.
Not the best picture but all internal surfaces where smooth...
Its normal for any vendor who feels threatened by any product out there that may do the job as well, not better, just as well, at less than half to cost of their product, to say "I would not recommend it". I am the kind of person that always wants the top of the line product for the application I may be looking for. Still, some times I will adapt and accept certain alternative once I have done the research and of course the pocket can't reach to deep. Being that said, I am including some pictures of the welds for a Catback system I just bought and received. As I do not want to offend any vendor or user of their products, I will only show the pics of the welds, which seems to be the point in quality of any catback, and keep the brand to myself.
Now, I can tell you that once I receive and opened it, I was extremely impressed with the quality and presentation of this system. I am a Sales Manager in Dallas for a capitol equipment in a manufacturing company, which all are made in SS. I brought the catback to one of our top welders and asked for his opinion and to reinforce any part if he believed it to be necessary. When he saw and checked it he said that the complete system was done extremely well and it is SS304, still he did recommend reinforcing the hinges, which he did. That it may not be as nice as one of the more expensive ones because it is not have the brand engraved in the tips, but you know what, that's just fine with me.
I hope the pictures show as I did have some problems uploading them. I believe this forum is for the community to share their upgrades, downgrades, problems, mods etc., so being that said, bring it on guys, after all that's what ACURAZINE is all about. And please, no disrespect meant to anyone!! Thanks!
I'm a master plumber and a Certified welder.Been welding MIG,TIG medical gas piping and stainless steel for 27 years.Nice weld ''lay downs'' look pretty but does not effect the quality of the weld.Furthermore its the quality of material/materials used and actual welder that matters.I've seen the pretty welds fail and the snotty ones hold Air tight.Back to extracting ponies from our TL the Tsudo option looks/sounds like a great alternative to the more pricey catbacks out there.Minimum gain regardless of the catback you choose.Go for what you can afford and enjoy it!
Basically it comes down to: most people buying this generation of TL now are a bit younger, have less money (price point of this cars resale is less), or are uneducated in the world of modifications. This car is quickly becoming similar to a Honda Civic in the sense that everyone buys one and wants to modify it, but doesn't want to actually "pay to play". They all want to spend minimal money on he actual mods but want the street cred/ Instagram likes, like they are a baller. This car is now affordable to a much lower democratic than it used to be, and with that comes a lot of people who don't realize or don't want to spend he money on proper modifications.
It's few and far between now to see quality builds with quality parts. Everyone is all about the list of mods they have and not the quality of those mods.
It takes a TRUE car enthusiast to purchase quality products that are manufactured by companies that do extensive research and testing to create a product to achieve maximum gains/looks/feel etc. No one can look at this tsudo or endlessrpm j pipe and say the terrible bends, non-fluid design, and bad welds (that look good but don't penetrate properly) don't effect exhaust flow, turbulence, and sound, in a negative manner.
All these companies have done is wait until other companies have created the perfect system, and then copied them, letting companies like tsudo produce a good "looking" product from a far, without spending any money on R&D. Don't think for a second the amount of money these knockoff companies are making is less than a company like xlr8 or ATLP. They probably make more, because they don't have to spend money on R&D, or on supporting local labour, or on quality material.
All people who buy these products are doing is undercutting the true companies dedicated to our hobby, and instead they are supporting companies that solely look for profit, selling a sub-par product made with lesser quality material, produced somewhere most likely not supporting North American jobs.
Good job, you people are the ones killing the "car scene".
Don't get me wrong I love my TL, and I'll continue to modify it with quality parts. What I don't love is seeing an inflation of fuckboys in this scene that think cheap replica parts, plastidip, and windshield stickers, is baller in their almost decade old semi luxury sedan.
Shit, I'm gonna have to remove the NVUS windshield banner, huh?
Honestly...I'm all for supporting the small and US based business...but if a ninja on a budget, and they really want an exhaust and don't have the extra grand for the bestest system ever (RV6 )
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11-23-2015, 10:21 PM
Wasn't us!
We are actually happy to see other options on the table. As others have mentioned it's good to have options based on budgets and needs. We also install parts even if they are not purchased from us, for those that are in the area.
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