My 3.7 mani, ZDX TB, and pnp runners build thread

Thread Tools
 
Search this Thread
 
Old 03-13-2013, 07:10 AM
  #481  
Burning Brakes
 
bouncer07's Avatar
 
Join Date: Aug 2011
Location: Minnesota
Posts: 1,150
Likes: 0
Received 182 Likes on 140 Posts
Originally Posted by Hacura
Fellas,

I've got my IM PnP'd with a bored TB. What can I gain by moving from my bored TB to the ZDX without bore? My guess is maybe around 3-5whp.

Also, can you guys point me in the direction of how to make a 4" CAI. I was about to buy an AEM v2.
I'm assuming you have Flashpro?
Old 03-13-2013, 10:09 AM
  #482  
performace tl-s
 
rubenders's Avatar
 
Join Date: Feb 2009
Posts: 271
Received 57 Likes on 52 Posts
Originally Posted by Hacura
Fellas,

I've got my IM PnP'd with a bored TB. What can I gain by moving from my bored TB to the ZDX without bore? My guess is maybe around 3-5whp.

Also, can you guys point me in the direction of how to make a 4" CAI. I was about to buy an AEM v2.
this intake is a perfect fit just have to cut it .http://www.carid.com/universal-air-i...it-430686.html
Old 03-13-2013, 12:31 PM
  #483  
Suzuka Master
iTrader: (2)
 
anx1300c's Avatar
 
Join Date: Feb 2008
Location: 633 Stag Trail Rd
Posts: 5,020
Received 930 Likes on 612 Posts
Originally Posted by Hacura
Fellas,

I've got my IM PnP'd with a bored TB. What can I gain by moving from my bored TB to the ZDX without bore? My guess is maybe around 3-5whp.

Also, can you guys point me in the direction of how to make a 4" CAI. I was about to buy an AEM v2.

Our OEM TB's are ~ 66-67 mm bored. Stock, untouched ZDX TB is ~ 69 mm. That's not going to give you 3-5 whp. Add a 4" intake and the ZDX TB and you may see 3-5 whp.

Originally Posted by rubenders
Personal opinion is the 4" kit ubuil from carid. That the one i am using for this 3.7 set up. It was 68$
Can you translate to English? I need a 4" intake myself!
The following 2 users liked this post by anx1300c:
AccordFlex (03-13-2013), Hacura (03-14-2013)
Old 03-14-2013, 02:34 AM
  #484  
Pro
 
Hacura's Avatar
 
Join Date: Dec 2003
Location: San Jose, CA
Posts: 591
Received 22 Likes on 21 Posts
Originally Posted by bouncer07
I'm assuming you have Flashpro?
No, I'll be getting the HFPC's first and then an exhaust. I'm behind bro...

Originally Posted by rubenders
this intake is a perfect fit just have to cut it .http://www.carid.com/universal-air-i...it-430686.html
I'll definitely check this out man, looks pretty solid.

Originally Posted by anx1300c
Our OEM TB's are ~ 66-67 mm bored. Stock, untouched ZDX TB is ~ 69 mm. That's not going to give you 3-5 whp. Add a 4" intake and the ZDX TB and you may see 3-5 whp.
Exactly what I was looking for bud. I think I'll go straight to the CAI.

Old 03-14-2013, 04:52 AM
  #485  
performace tl-s
 
rubenders's Avatar
 
Join Date: Feb 2009
Posts: 271
Received 57 Likes on 52 Posts
Originally Posted by Hacura
No, I'll be getting the HFPC's first and then an exhaust. I'm behind bro...



I'll definitely check this out man, looks pretty solid.



Exactly what I was looking for bud. I think I'll go straight to the CAI.

When I did the 3.7 setup I I didn't notice a big difference till I got that 4" intake and the big gain came after I got the rv6 hfpc .
The following users liked this post:
Hacura (03-14-2013)
Old 03-14-2013, 08:46 AM
  #486  
All motor
 
Sonnick's Avatar
 
Join Date: Sep 2008
Location: Long Island
Posts: 3,530
Received 532 Likes on 395 Posts
Originally Posted by rubenders
When I did the 3.7 setup I I didn't notice a big difference till I got that 4" intake and the big gain came after I got the rv6 hfpc .
I didn't think I noticed a big gain with just the 3.7 IM/TB/runners either. I knew there were gains, but wasn't sure how much. Then I went to the dyno and put down an extra 15whp. Butt dynos suck. I put the 4" CAI on and that gave me great gains as well, but take your butt dyno with a grain of salt.

EDIT: Rubenders, didn't realize you didn't have most of the bolt ons before the 3.7 setup. I had the bolt ons previously, which is probably why I saw such a great gain. That gain was OVER my previously ported stock manifold as well

Before 3.7 IM/TB/runners I trapped 102 in the 1/4 mile, after 104. Then the 4" CAI went on and under great conditions went 106.6.

Also, on the street, it made up a solid 2+ cars. I had a run with a buddy of mine in his RSX-s on this board. Previously, he pulled me a solid 2 cars. Since that run he changed his plugs and raised the rev limiter, so his car was definitely quicker. After the 4" CAI/3.7 setup, we were dead even, with me creeping up top. The 3.7 setup is a must for anyone serious about making power in their J series all motor. Numbers don't lie.

Last edited by Sonnick; 03-14-2013 at 08:54 AM.
Old 03-14-2013, 09:12 AM
  #487  
performace tl-s
 
rubenders's Avatar
 
Join Date: Feb 2009
Posts: 271
Received 57 Likes on 52 Posts
Originally Posted by Sonnick
I didn't think I noticed a big gain with just the 3.7 IM/TB/runners either. I knew there were gains, but wasn't sure how much. Then I went to the dyno and put down an extra 15whp. Butt dynos suck. I put the 4" CAI on and that gave me great gains as well, but take your butt dyno with a grain of salt.

EDIT: Rubenders, didn't realize you didn't have most of the bolt ons before the 3.7 setup. I had the bolt ons previously, which is probably why I saw such a great gain. That gain was OVER my previously ported stock manifold as well

Before 3.7 IM/TB/runners I trapped 102 in the 1/4 mile, after 104. Then the 4" CAI went on and under great conditions went 106.6.

Also, on the street, it made up a solid 2+ cars. I had a run with a buddy of mine in his RSX-s on this board. Previously, he pulled me a solid 2 cars. Since that run he changed his plugs and raised the rev limiter, so his car was definitely quicker. After the 4" CAI/3.7 setup, we were dead even, with me creeping up top. The 3.7 setup is a must for anyone serious about making power in their J series all motor. Numbers don't lie.
Before 3.7 intake manifold and tb all I have was atlp exhaust and jpipe - test pipe with a k&n cold air intake. Next thing for me will be flash pro.
The following users liked this post:
Sonnick (03-14-2013)
Old 03-14-2013, 09:44 AM
  #488  
Pro
iTrader: (1)
 
AccordFlex's Avatar
 
Join Date: Oct 2010
Location: Baltimore
Age: 35
Posts: 634
Received 213 Likes on 135 Posts
I had PCDs, J pipe, 3rd cat straight pipe, and XLR8 catback and AEM V2. I then did the runners, manifold and TB and saw awesome gains. Now that the car is flowing nicely I think thats why I feel a decent amount of power increase. Only the dyno will tell though.
Old 03-14-2013, 06:45 PM
  #489  
Pro
 
Hacura's Avatar
 
Join Date: Dec 2003
Location: San Jose, CA
Posts: 591
Received 22 Likes on 21 Posts
Are you all running the Airaid filter or sticking to AEM/KN with the 4" setup?
Old 03-14-2013, 07:48 PM
  #490  
performace tl-s
 
rubenders's Avatar
 
Join Date: Feb 2009
Posts: 271
Received 57 Likes on 52 Posts
Thumbs up

Originally Posted by Hacura
Are you all running the Airaid filter or sticking to AEM/KN with the 4" setup?
i have a 5" k&n filter

Last edited by rubenders; 03-14-2013 at 07:55 PM.
Old 03-15-2013, 10:45 AM
  #491  
All motor
 
Sonnick's Avatar
 
Join Date: Sep 2008
Location: Long Island
Posts: 3,530
Received 532 Likes on 395 Posts
I have a velocity stack.
Old 03-15-2013, 11:08 AM
  #492  
takin care of Business in
iTrader: (5)
 
swoosh's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jan 2008
Location: Kansas City, MO
Age: 40
Posts: 30,994
Received 4,732 Likes on 4,064 Posts
I have a 5" x 9" AEM filter (inlet is 4" but base is 5", if i remember right)
Old 03-15-2013, 02:29 PM
  #493  
Suzuka Master
iTrader: (2)
 
anx1300c's Avatar
 
Join Date: Feb 2008
Location: 633 Stag Trail Rd
Posts: 5,020
Received 930 Likes on 612 Posts
That "build your own" Airaid setup doesn't have a bung for the IAT sensor though, does it?
Old 03-15-2013, 02:30 PM
  #494  
Suzuka Master
iTrader: (2)
 
anx1300c's Avatar
 
Join Date: Feb 2008
Location: 633 Stag Trail Rd
Posts: 5,020
Received 930 Likes on 612 Posts
Originally Posted by Hacura
Are you all running the Airaid filter or sticking to AEM/KN with the 4" setup?
AEM is probably the best.
Old 03-15-2013, 02:33 PM
  #495  
AZ Track Whore
iTrader: (4)
 
vill0169's Avatar
 
Join Date: Nov 2009
Location: Omaha, NE
Age: 36
Posts: 1,674
Received 298 Likes on 212 Posts
no but seriously how hard would it be to drill a hole in the tube and thread it to fit...

It's what I'm gonna do next week.
Old 03-15-2013, 02:43 PM
  #496  
Race Director
iTrader: (1)
 
maharajamd's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jan 2008
Location: Columbus, OH
Posts: 13,382
Received 1,544 Likes on 1,197 Posts
^Not very because it's plastic, no?
Old 03-15-2013, 02:49 PM
  #497  
AZ Track Whore
iTrader: (4)
 
vill0169's Avatar
 
Join Date: Nov 2009
Location: Omaha, NE
Age: 36
Posts: 1,674
Received 298 Likes on 212 Posts
it would be just fine because of the type of plastic I think...could always back it up with some silicon...


it's not like it's a soft, bendable plastic. I'll post some pics in my thread when I do mine.

Last edited by vill0169; 03-15-2013 at 02:52 PM.
Old 03-15-2013, 02:54 PM
  #498  
Race Director
iTrader: (1)
 
maharajamd's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jan 2008
Location: Columbus, OH
Posts: 13,382
Received 1,544 Likes on 1,197 Posts
^No I'm agreeing with you. It's like a hardish ABS style plastic. Should be easy to tap a bung into to...
Old 03-15-2013, 02:58 PM
  #499  
Pro
iTrader: (1)
 
AccordFlex's Avatar
 
Join Date: Oct 2010
Location: Baltimore
Age: 35
Posts: 634
Received 213 Likes on 135 Posts
Or you could simply drill a hole, plastic weld/silicon the proper size nut and be on your way. Shouldnt be more than a 20 minute modification.
Old 03-15-2013, 03:43 PM
  #500  
AZ Track Whore
iTrader: (4)
 
vill0169's Avatar
 
Join Date: Nov 2009
Location: Omaha, NE
Age: 36
Posts: 1,674
Received 298 Likes on 212 Posts
Originally Posted by Maharajamd
^No I'm agreeing with you. It's like a hardish ABS style plastic. Should be easy to tap a bung into to...

oops..misread! yeah exactly. And really, if you're going to drill/tap a new hole, why not just do it into the manifold? just a thought more than anything.
Old 03-15-2013, 04:06 PM
  #501  
performace tl-s
 
rubenders's Avatar
 
Join Date: Feb 2009
Posts: 271
Received 57 Likes on 52 Posts
I did 2 holes on mien one for the iat sensor and one for the vacuum hose . I will take a pic when I get home and poster it here.
The intake plastic is super hard.
Old 03-15-2013, 04:10 PM
  #502  
Suzuka Master
iTrader: (2)
 
anx1300c's Avatar
 
Join Date: Feb 2008
Location: 633 Stag Trail Rd
Posts: 5,020
Received 930 Likes on 612 Posts
I can't say I'd want to have a nut inside my intake tract. Loctite, plastic weld not withstanding, it would truly suck if it backed off and got sucked down through the manifold and runners and bent a valve. At the very least, it would be much safer to JB weld and actual bung on the outside of the intake tube. JB weld isn't that great for intense heat cycling though. Could just relocate the IAT under the bumper like Innacurate did.
Old 03-15-2013, 04:40 PM
  #503  
performace tl-s
 
rubenders's Avatar
 
Join Date: Feb 2009
Posts: 271
Received 57 Likes on 52 Posts
Originally Posted by anx1300c
I can't say I'd want to have a nut inside my intake tract. Loctite, plastic weld not withstanding, it would truly suck if it backed off and got sucked down through the manifold and runners and bent a valve. At the very least, it would be much safer to JB weld and actual bung on the outside of the intake tube. JB weld isn't that great for intense heat cycling though. Could just relocate the IAT under the bumper like Innacurate did.
You don't need a nut inside the intake. And if you relocate your iat by the time that air get inter the manifold is like 10-20 degree hotter .I put mien 2" away from the tb.
Old 03-15-2013, 07:35 PM
  #504  
performace tl-s
 
rubenders's Avatar
 
Join Date: Feb 2009
Posts: 271
Received 57 Likes on 52 Posts
4" intake
The following users liked this post:
anx1300c (03-15-2013)
Old 03-15-2013, 09:36 PM
  #505  
AZ Track Whore
iTrader: (4)
 
vill0169's Avatar
 
Join Date: Nov 2009
Location: Omaha, NE
Age: 36
Posts: 1,674
Received 298 Likes on 212 Posts
good stuff man, I'm looking forward to getting mine too.
Old 03-15-2013, 10:26 PM
  #506  
Suzuka Master
iTrader: (2)
 
anx1300c's Avatar
 
Join Date: Feb 2008
Location: 633 Stag Trail Rd
Posts: 5,020
Received 930 Likes on 612 Posts
Originally Posted by rubenders
You don't need a nut inside the intake. And if you relocate your iat by the time that air get inter the manifold is like 10-20 degree hotter .I put mien 2" away from the tb.
The theory behind running the IAT as far away from the engine as possible is to keep it as cool as possible so the ecu is tricked into thinking the actual incoming air is colder/denser than it really is, hence the ecu won't pull timing. Sounds great in theory, but not really sure if it makes much difference in the real world.

You're right about this intake actually running cooler than an aluminum one though. Looks like a good setup and I like the stealth look. Definitely considering one. How's the sound compared to what you had on before?
Old 03-16-2013, 05:36 AM
  #507  
performace tl-s
 
rubenders's Avatar
 
Join Date: Feb 2009
Posts: 271
Received 57 Likes on 52 Posts
Originally Posted by anx1300c
The theory behind running the IAT as far away from the engine as possible is to keep it as cool as possible so the ecu is tricked into thinking the actual incoming air is colder/denser than it really is, hence the ecu won't pull timing. Sounds great in theory, but not really sure if it makes much difference in the real world.

You're right about this intake actually running cooler than an aluminum one though. Looks like a good setup and I like the stealth look. Definitely considering one. How's the sound compared to what you had on before?
Is a deeper sound specially on vtec in a tunnel. Live it. I will take s video today . I had my iat by the vent in the bumper u make no power out of that because you are dumping tones of feul to aid that is hot.
Old 03-16-2013, 08:21 AM
  #508  
Pro
iTrader: (1)
 
AccordFlex's Avatar
 
Join Date: Oct 2010
Location: Baltimore
Age: 35
Posts: 634
Received 213 Likes on 135 Posts
Do you have a link for that intake rubenders? I like the black plastic look.
Old 03-16-2013, 08:46 AM
  #509  
AZ Track Whore
iTrader: (4)
 
vill0169's Avatar
 
Join Date: Nov 2009
Location: Omaha, NE
Age: 36
Posts: 1,674
Received 298 Likes on 212 Posts
http://www.airaid.com/U-Build-It_intake_systems.aspx
Old 03-16-2013, 11:58 AM
  #510  
performace tl-s
 
rubenders's Avatar
 
Join Date: Feb 2009
Posts: 271
Received 57 Likes on 52 Posts
Old 03-16-2013, 11:58 AM
  #511  
performace tl-s
 
rubenders's Avatar
 
Join Date: Feb 2009
Posts: 271
Received 57 Likes on 52 Posts
Old 03-16-2013, 12:00 PM
  #512  
performace tl-s
 
rubenders's Avatar
 
Join Date: Feb 2009
Posts: 271
Received 57 Likes on 52 Posts

Old 03-17-2013, 11:43 AM
  #513  
Dallas Chapter Leader (Midwest Region)
 
NBP_BALLER's Avatar
 
Join Date: Feb 2013
Location: Dallas, TX
Age: 33
Posts: 502
Received 142 Likes on 121 Posts
I am about to do a Timing belt in 10k and am interested in this 3.7 setup. However i want to get the best power out of my build. I know alot of guys(not all) here are just in for a few easy bolt-ons as not everyone is a mechanic like me. I have built alot of GM engines but a 3.2. My question is this,

Will 3.7 heads fit on a 07 3.2 block(mounting/cooling passages/etc)?

I have only a XLR8 exhaust now as i just bought the car 6mnths ago. If 3.7 heads fit, i am thinking get a 3.7 manifold/ZDX TB/CAMS/HFPC and V3 J-PIPE + INTAKE. undestand a 3.7 stroker kit is going to.be available soon. This could be a nasty setup after a nice tune using the FLASH PRO.

Any thoughts on this?
Old 03-17-2013, 12:55 PM
  #514  
AZ Track Whore
iTrader: (4)
 
vill0169's Avatar
 
Join Date: Nov 2009
Location: Omaha, NE
Age: 36
Posts: 1,674
Received 298 Likes on 212 Posts
No 3.7 heads won't work.
Old 03-17-2013, 01:37 PM
  #515  
Safety Car
iTrader: (7)
 
thisaznboi88's Avatar
 
Join Date: Dec 2008
Location: San Jose, CA/ Charleston, WV
Posts: 4,045
Received 619 Likes on 459 Posts
^B/C 3.7 heads have vtec on both intake and exhaust now
Old 03-17-2013, 07:53 PM
  #516  
All motor
 
Sonnick's Avatar
 
Join Date: Sep 2008
Location: Long Island
Posts: 3,530
Received 532 Likes on 395 Posts
Someone was debating doing the 3.7 head swap on V6 pee. Never got a chance to do it because the heads are so expensive, but apparently they are the same pattern as the Type S heads (minor differences in oil passages I believe), so they might work. No one has tried it. But yes, I don't know how the ECU would be able to control VTEC on both the I/E sides.
Old 03-17-2013, 09:37 PM
  #517  
Dallas Chapter Leader (Midwest Region)
 
NBP_BALLER's Avatar
 
Join Date: Feb 2013
Location: Dallas, TX
Age: 33
Posts: 502
Received 142 Likes on 121 Posts
Hmm didn't know vtec was different on the 3.7. Maybe i can do a port/polish on a 3.7 manifold and tb as well as the heads plus a valve job with bigger valves/springs. If you want real power you do serious mods. I wonder what duty cycle the injectors are running stock...? If there is enough room to tune stock injectors or get some AM.... little info on builds with these motors as they are few and far between. I will have to look into it more
Old 03-17-2013, 10:51 PM
  #518  
5th Gear
 
mikernm1990's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jan 2013
Posts: 5
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts
Nice!
Old 03-18-2013, 07:43 AM
  #519  
Burning Brakes
 
bouncer07's Avatar
 
Join Date: Aug 2011
Location: Minnesota
Posts: 1,150
Likes: 0
Received 182 Likes on 140 Posts
Originally Posted by MBP_BALLER
Hmm didn't know vtec was different on the 3.7. Maybe i can do a port/polish on a 3.7 manifold and tb as well as the heads plus a valve job with bigger valves/springs. If you want real power you do serious mods. I wonder what duty cycle the injectors are running stock...? If there is enough room to tune stock injectors or get some AM.... little info on builds with these motors as they are few and far between. I will have to look into it more
A lot of times, you keep your stock head and replace the bottom with the 3.7 crank. If you're Type S, the 3.5 head would be an upgrade. For the 3.2, a 3.5L bottom crank would be like adding an additional 7.5K near 8K redline with come performing cams. As for stock injectors, it's safe to do all bolt-ons and some pnp, but you'll be looking at near max duty cycle.
The following 2 users liked this post by bouncer07:
NBP_BALLER (03-18-2013), Sonnick (03-18-2013)
Old 03-21-2013, 02:24 PM
  #520  
AZ Track Whore
iTrader: (4)
 
vill0169's Avatar
 
Join Date: Nov 2009
Location: Omaha, NE
Age: 36
Posts: 1,674
Received 298 Likes on 212 Posts
If anyone's curious what tap to buy for the IAT sensor relocation is a M12x1.5 and you'll need 3/8-13/32 drill bit

Mods might want to add this to the OP's first post for reference.


Quick Reply: My 3.7 mani, ZDX TB, and pnp runners build thread



All times are GMT -5. The time now is 08:31 PM.