gerzand

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I learnt after making that post that what 2.027 uses to authenticate is a valid HIN login. After emailing a few ebay sellers, noone has been able to confirm if there is a way around this...as it is quite a good security measure.

Brock, what is your sub-version number (2.027.xxx) and do you authenticate with a login entered at time of setup? From my understanding, this is required for ecm updates, immobilizer programming, etc.

Euro-R_Spec_TSX

Version is 2.027.007. No HIN login required during setup... what is HIN anyway?

I haven't tried flashing an ECU but I'm not sure I would want to use the PoS HIM clone that I have to do it. As far as I gather, PCM initialization (including immobilizer registration) is only available if you have some type of add-on software. I have not been able to confirm this but it would make sense for Honda to restrict that functionality to security professionals and dealers.

rubenders

You can do update and on any ecu. I your program have access to Honda interactive network. I did my update to my TLS. When I first got it for the bank 1 bank 2 te lean .

rubenders

Yes ecu updater IS a add on that come with the Honda interactive network ecm updater

rubenders

Yes I have to go online with mien every 2 days if I don't it don't let me use it

rubenders

I got my in Japan when I was on deployment from a dealer that have some crazy Honda there. They didn't WAN to give ne a cd but they keep my laptop for 4 hour they gave me the lates hds at that time with all the add on and access for unlimited update. The ecu ipdater is part of hds bit it work outside of hds it has it own link. That program is the only reason why I still have that laptop. I don't gave the key for a fresh installation in a new pc. And so far hds 2.027 is the last hds that can do everything if you have the add on. The hds 3.0 and up don't come with immobilizer or ecu ipdater.

rubenders

Yes ecu updater IS a add on that come with the Honda interactive network ecm updater

rubenders

I had to move the iat sensor closer to the tb cz the car was running too rich when the iat was by the filter. I have a secondary iat sensor I put it 3" before the tb and compared the. Difference with the hds it was 15 degree . Just 15 degree throw the air fuil ratio and timing out of wack.

NHB_AV6-6

Bump, for info since I'm thinking about getting a J35a8 swap. What accounted for the difference in HP from the 265 WHP dyno you had with bolt-ons, and the baseline 281 WHP before you did the IM/TB?

i_love_cars

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265 was on a mustang dyno. 281 was on a dynojet

thisaznboi88

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just to let you guys know. The IM does help a lot with heatsoak. I was driving in 20*F and the temp IM temp was 44 after 3 hours. when going WOT it drops below ambient temp.

I have a datalog when I was driving in 44 and IAT was 64. Going into WOT it dropped to 35. Now if it was only hotter. I would like to test it out in 100*F+ weather

swoosh

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I might soon be selling my 3.7 SHAWD ported and polished Manifold and SHAWD TL polished TB and ported and polished runners and 4" intake

Atlas.46

What.... hmm. How soon and how much?

bouncer07

Going a different route?
Selling your ride?
Going turbo?
Getting a different car?

Whats the ninja stats?

swoosh

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haha

not selling my car (love her )....am trying to build something, if that works will sell this setup, if not will keep it....

bouncer07

340 whp all motor seems to be within reach.

swoosh

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hahah yeah....I remember Andy was around that figure in his 5AT with cams and tune....I would like to be around the 350+ with cams and tune and my new intake setup....lets hope it goes according to plan....

what do you have planned ?

thisaznboi88

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hmmm Getting one of pual Dual TB IM?

swoosh

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I like being unique...you will see

i_love_cars

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god damn spill the beans, son. Get this show on the road with a build thread already I wanna know wtf is happening!

swoosh

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I have a build thread which I think I should start updating LOL

I have PM-ed Paul...will spill the beans once he says its doable and we can get the show on the road....

Atlas, will reply to your PM later tonight....let me think about it

NvrDwn

Is it something similar to pauls dual dbw?

fsttyms1

I fully intend on being 350ish, its the tune part that im trying to figure out (2nd gen)

NvrDwn

I think a J30A5 can get to 325whp+ So you guys should have no problem with 350.

allmotorman57

why all this obsession with power numbers? How many people actually use that power? Power is relative to how light/heavy/well balanced your car is. The guy with the biggest wallet will always outpower you in a straight line neway. I mean i hope these engines get some tuning love and im glad to see alot of advancements but the HP numbers are really meaningless and it seems everyone is just in a pissing contest...

anx1300c

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+1

That, and dynos mean squat when comparing on the interwebz. Some dynos read stupid high and just set the stage for disappointment in the real world. I'd be focusing more on what the car is actually capable of at the track. And I just don't see any way a stock bottom end, N/A 3.2 will ever hit an honest 350 to the wheels, even with head work, cams, tune etc. That's 130-140 > stock, and would make a stock-ish weight TL capable of ~ 110 mph traps, which isn't happening. A Type-S 6MT might come close, but even that's a stretch without bumping compression.

i_love_cars

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most people only care about horsepower because they think it translates into a fast car. Fast(er) than what it had been, perhaps, but what is the measure of fast? Few people have a goal in mind, they just start slapping parts on with no real agenda other than some bullshit they heard on the internet about it making the car faster on the butt dyno.

I've seen plenty of people on this forum attack my raw horsepower numbers. That's just what's gonna happen when you open yourself up on the Internet. Meanwhile, back at the ranch, I'm pulling 1-2 car lengths on G sedans which most TL owners can only wish they could do, and I'm having a blast doing it. Results on the pavement are what matters, not the raw HP number.

For me, I love the 3G TL ever since the first day I saw one. Even today there's nothing under 50k that I would buy that I think genuinely looks aesthetically better than the 3G TL. I also love modding cars, so as long as there are good options for the TL, I will pursue them so that I can have the best of both worlds - a car that looks great, and that I've been able to mod.

Now, I still have an end goal of having something legit to take to the track, and when I'm done with my engine build I want to see 13 flat in the 1/4. That's the goal. A quick daily driver that will surprise a lot of people, and something that looks good to me every time I walk out to look at it.


and regarding recent posts about hp numbers tipping 350 - no, that won't happen without raised compression. Until compression is raised, a car can only be cammed so much, and in regards to NA motors - compression and cams with a good set of heads is what makes the real power. No 2 ways about it.

NvrDwn

Paul said his P&P heads have averaged 30whp that is before milling/cams/tune

I imagine his dual dbw intake mani will be the best out there and we should have dynoes on that here in a few months.

Hell with his P&P heads 30whp, intake mani 15-20whp, tune 10whp (ILC) and cams 15-20whp should yield no less than 70whp. Thats not including pcds jpipe 3in exhaust. Who knows. I hope one day someone gets everything together so we can know.

fsttyms1

Im doing a 3.7 (with raised compression)

fsttyms1

Why not? Why not see what these motors are capable of, especially NA with mostly OEM off the shelf parts. And power is Extremely relative for me since i track the car, and it doesnt matter if someones wallet is bigger than mine. It doesnt mean he is a better driver, and if i can put more HP and TQ down than someone else even more JOY to me. Why are your undies in such a bunch because some of us want to keep pushing hp development of these engines further? I cant wait till i see a 400hp NA J. I bet its not that far off at the current rate we are going.

Euro-R_Spec_TSX

What block? J35A8?

type-s'er

Why all the obsession with power numbers? BECAUSE THIS IS PERFORMANCE PARTS & MODIFICATIONS SECTION. smh lolz Thats why we mods our cars to get more power from them.

swoosh

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ROFL...@ the sudden hate against HP....

agreed the deepest pockets will outpower you (and thats why am still slow)....I think the overall package which the car offers is what am looking at....the experience....

HP/TQ is a way to compare (similar) car....it helps you gauge is a mod is worth the money....ever see a vendor sell an exhaust saying it will increase your trap speed and time??? Trap speed and time are ways to compare drivers....

bottom line is I can throw on a turbo and make 400whp and call it a day....but thats not how am looking at it....My car weighs 2990 lbs and I plan on shedding another 200-250 lbs off it....looking at 2750lbs and 350whp....I think that will be a pretty sweet combo....will be able to put the power down relatively well....

let the wrenching begin

i_love_cars

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hunting for v8's will be our new sport.

swoosh

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haha....

I recently ran an Audi S5 and beat him....it was some like a rolling start and not from a dig....Raced a Camaro RS (the v6 version not SS) and destroyed him in a 40-80 and 1-2 car lengths from a dig....

Its fun seeing their faces after such a race

Marsaloni

I've read/browsed through this thread a few times and appreciate all the info. This is a mod I plan to do in spring this year.

Here are my questions:

Did you pair thermal gaskets, tb spacer, and/or im spacer with this or has anyone? I've seen kits for thermal gaskets/spacers but was not sure if you utilized these or used regular gaskets/no spacers.. and if you didn't, why?

I haven't taken my manifold off yet and I haven't seen many pictures of under the manifold but it appears the top portion of the manifold mates to two sets of runners that mate to the two heads, correct? Have you ported these secondary "runners" that mate to the heads? Excuse my ignorance if I'm not using the correct terms.

As for the "runners" do thermal gaskets/spacers ever apply to these or would that offset the alignment to the intake manifold?

Basically I want to do everything you've done, with the pnp and max bore. As well as anything else that will add better flow characteristics to the entire intake structure.

Also, as for the original post, has all the info been updated for the install or do I need to dig through the entire thread to find little details that will help?

Thank you.

turtlecivic

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ILC what kind of mileage are you getting with all these mods?

i_love_cars

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no thermal gaskets - i have the p2r thermal intake manifold gasket sitting in my garage and will install and port match it when I get heads and runners from Gerzand. If I wasn't getting those, I would pull my stock lower runners (also known as the lower intake plenum) and yes I would have them PnP'ed. It's a highly recommended piece of this puzzle.

you are correct in your understanding that the manifold attaches to the lower runners, and those runners attach to the intake side of the heads. Those lower runners do not use thermal gaskets or spacers on the head side.

and I don't use a TB spacer because.....i just don't use one lol. Some others here do, though.

original post has been updated with relevant information for the 3.7 swap. IF you are handy around a car, and have never pulled the intake manifold off the TL before, you can do that part in 30 minutes. The runners take a bit longer due to removal of the fuel rails.



23 mpg

i_love_cars

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man i've been dying to find an audi with a 3.0T that will actually race me, lol. I'm jealous. The only readily available audi S I have to race is my co-workers b6 s4 with that 4.2 v8.

I have no doubt you crushed an RS, lol. That car is garbage. Shouldn't even offer it in a 6-cylinder configuration.

I am really liking this sudden spike of people dieting their TL's and looking at doing more significant engine work. There's gonna be a lot more surprised people on the roads. Nobody ever expects a TL to do much of anything, lol.

i_love_cars

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dude i told King when I was there last week that we have a j37 swap in a 2000 TL coming together in appleton and it's gonna be coming down here for Dyno Days, so you better deliver lol