Ok, so this question is not about the Beatles so much as it is a question about differentials. More specifically, options for the 5AT. I have a 2008 Type-S 5AT and the only thing that keeps me from truly loving the car is incessant wheel spin. An LSD would be beautiful but unlikely. Are there any other options? Anything at all? I've searched and searched and have come up dry. I ripped this off from Wikipedia and thought it was very interesting:

"Traction control systems are also used in many modern vehicles either in addition or as a replacement of locking differentials. One example is that offered by Volkswagen under the name of electronic differential lock (EDL). This EDL is not in fact a differential lock, but operates at each wheel. Sensors monitor wheel speeds, and if one is rotating more than 100 RPM more than the other (i.e. slipping) the EDL system momentarily brakes it. This effectively transfers all the power to the other wheel,[2] but still employs the open differential, which is the same as on cars without the EDL option. Electronic traction control systems may be integrated with anti-lock braking systems, which have a similar action on braking and use some similar components. Such systems are used for example on the most recent Nissan Pathfinder, Land Rover Defender and Land Rover Freelander models."

FWIW I will be parking my TL for the winter and driving my 325XI. The TL will be in my garage all winter and I will have plenty of time for difficult and lengthy projects. I assume the engine will be coming out so I know what I'm getting into. I have the tools and if I get in a rut I have friends who own a shop the specializes in European vehicles who can help me out. Overall, I'll be doing the labor myself. I just need to know if there is a way I can control the wheel spin when I nail the throttle like you lucky 6MT owner's do. Thanks for any and all help.

 

1. Your TL-S has an oem LSD.

2. Have you ever considered the tires your on? Get rid of the stock all seasons and get some summer only tires like most of us "lucky" 6MT guys do.

3. Modify your driving style. Don't just floor it from a stop and expect it to grip. Ease into it, make sure the the tires grip, and bring in the throttle.

 

Rex, I believe only the "lucky" 6MT guys have the LSD.
that goes for base and S models.

and fwiw, I can never just nail the throttle, like rex said, I have to ease into it. Even with STICKY summer tires. I have an '06 6MT.

 

huh, I thought all the TL-S's did but oh well. Tires and driving style are more critical anyways IMO.

 

Good front shocks with enough rebound damping and good tires should get rid of wheelspin.

I have a base but the only thing I get is a screech if it hits a paint line in the intersection. I can even pull out into traffic in a hurry with the wheels turned and barely make a screech. When the car was stock I could be rolling at 20mph and punch it and spin the tires.

 

I'm trying to figure out why the thread is called "Lucy in the sky with Diamonds." I thought the 5AT came with the factory LSD? I could be mistaken though. I know they have the Brembos like the 6MT, so I guess I just assumed they paired it with LSD as well.

Definitely get stickier tires. That should be your first line of defense. And in terms of launching, controlling the throttle is key. With enough practice, you should be able to launch with minimal wheelspin.

 

http://hondanews.com/channels/acura-...-tl-powertrain
http://hondanews.com/channels/acura-...specifications
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Hope it makes sense now...kinda. Lol

 

^winnar!

 

would it be feasible to swap in an LSD from the MT?

alot of 2GS guys get the LSD out of the AT TT Supra and it is a direct fit... ain't cheap tho...

 

Ahhhhhh. Didn't see that. Still tho....I guess it's creative

 

^you dont listen to The Beatles....
the song was really about LSD(Acid).

 

I thought LSD only stood for Limited Slip Differential...

I have not been listening to the Beatles, no.

 

This is a pointless thread......................... Just like his last one.

 

You are becoming awful close to Troll status "ethenol." I apologize in advance; I won't confuse you with acronyms such as LSD (creativeness doesn't go very far with you; i.e., The Beatles bit).

As to what other "pointless threads" you are referring to I am not sure...this is my third or fourth thread. Everyone is a noob at some point so...don't...be...a...dick...to...the...new...guys . Say something useful, helpful, point someone in the right direction...or don't say anything at all.

It's pretty sad that it takes a guy like me who has about 11 posts to put a guy like you in line that has posted about 750 times.

My only question was this: is there a way to get an Limited Slip Differential in a 2008 TL Type-S with automatic transmission.

SO...let's move on. Take the high road.

As mentioned previously I'm new to the TL forums and I've noticed your name avatar in several threads. You give out a lot of helpful information and I appreciate and respect that. Thanks.

I'm looking to getting Koni's soon (yellow). When I put them on my 86' Porsche 944 Turbo the difference was amazing. I'm hoping that with the Koni's properly set and a set of serious sticky tires I'll be in business.

I'm really not used to having an auto and though there is the SportShift and paddles I'm having a hard time adapting. I'm also not used to the lack of an LSD as my Porsche has one in the rear.

 

Wow, is the heat getting to you guys? Why can't everyone just get along?

Fair warning...

 

I'm very interested in if you can swap the LSD.
Please update

 

Acknowledged and understood. I'm cool!

 

Now we're getting back on track! I'll def keep you all updated. Hopefully it can be done. Worse case scenario is buying a 6MT from the junkyard and converting my 5AT to manual.

I've done it with other cars so I know what I'm getting into. I actually used to do it on old school Saab's (old 900's and 900 Turbo's). I did so many of those it was ridiculous b/c the stock autos work absolute junk even from the factory (the the stick wasn't much better). I think my best record was doing most of the swap in one 18 hour session with no lift.

The TL isn't a Saab though and is much more sophisticated obviously so it won't be nearly as cut and dry (if you'd call it that at all). A lift would speed things up considerably. Instead of getting mods for my other cars I think I might actually get a lift now that I think about it. It's a good long-term investment.

 

there is a member NAV6 or something to that nature..his name is paul.
He has done several 6mt swaps on the TL.

there is a thread on which he gives specifics.
i'm intoxicated right now, but will find it in the morning after cars and coffee.

 

You're fine MI6-no worries. Besides, I'm a HUGE Beatles fan-I enjoyed the reference! I did fix your spelling of the band though....

 

Spend the money and get some better tires.

 

Very good point. I love working on cars but sometimes taking on a large project like doing a auto --> manual swap just gets downright depressing. After a long week at work the last thing I want to do is spend 32 hours in two days on the weekend tearing my car apart. I'm still going to keep up the research on the LSD though.

I wish I could remember the name of the tires but I had a friend who had a Porsche 944 Turbo similar to mine that had seriously unreal tires. They were stupid expensive and had almost no tread. I know that sounds counter-intuitive but they were only good for like 5k (the way he drove them I'm surprised they lasted that long) but they were SUPER sticky.

He had the loot though so he just kept throwing on new sets...wish I could remember the name of those things....Yokohama Advan? Does that sound right? PZero's....IDK. Maybe that's too sticky...I don't have the loot that he does and am looking for a sticky tire that I know is going to last a least 20k.

 

One of my best friends has had a 944 since high school. It started with the regular 944s and then an S2 for a few years and for a while he owned both the turbo and S2. Now it's just a very highly modded turbo. I was surprised at both cars. We took both to the track on the same day, I drove the S2 and he drove the turbo. We ran identical 14.0s which was amazing for the S2. The turbo eventually went 13.8 at a later date.

Speaking of those tires, we put some drag radials on the S2 and I was the first one to drive it. I did a light burnout and launched at 3,000rpm dropping the clutch. On regular tires I lanuched at 2,200rpm so I thought 3,000 would do the trick on sticky tires. I bottomed the car on the rear bumpstops and then nearly killed the engine. Next time out I dropped the clutch at 5,500rpm and still bogged it a little but ran a 13.7. IMO, that's amazing for a NA 4 cylinder. Both cars went through axles very quickly. The 944 turbo currently has a 6 speed and axles from a 928. The turbo is one of my old turbos in modified Porsche housings. It has a ported head, custom headers, up pipe, and downpipe. He's never launched it hard but it has gone low 13s at 116mph.

Just throw some good tires on the TL, it won't spin. Drag radials won't even chirp. Or you can get a set of ultra high performance tires like the Nitto NT05 that I run. While it's possible, you will have a hard time spinning them. I typically get 15-20,000 miles out of a set.

 

Hey, offtopic.
how do I determine my wear?
Like.....there was none to begin with.
I'll admit, very first "fun car"
I drive hard.

 

What type of wear?

 

normal. I rotated early.
because I saw that the fronts were wearing fast.
I've adjusted my driving style, normal driving.

Oh!! I'll know when they're ready to change when they become slicks

 

With those tires, alignment is super important. What I do is once I start seeing the inevitable inside wear on the rears I have them unmounted and flipped around on the rim and installed on the front and bring the fronts straight back to the rear. Flipping the rear tires on the rims is the only way to truly rotate directional tires in the way the TL requires.

I know it sounds odd but driving hard on these tires seems to make them grip better. Once I got more into the stereo stuff and started just cruising all the time the grip seemed to fade until I started driving hard again.

 

I agree, those numbers are very impressive for an NA car. You said the Turbo hit 13.7 at one point? How modded was it? Was it the one with the 928 axles and the 6SPD? If not, what are the times on that car? I know some people from a Porsche club in SC (Columbia area) who had similar mods and they flew around a roadcourse. They used to beat 911's all the time, regardless if they were stock or not.

Speaking of 911's, the 911's of the 80's had so much much brute force the rear end would break loose very easily once the turbo kicked in if you were in a corner. You had to plan carefully and/or have balls of steel to make it around a tight corner. If you were going in hard, you went ALL in. That means mashing the throttle and letting the suspension do the work for you to carry you "safely" through the corner. A lot of cars have been nick-named "The Widow Maker" but the 80's 911 Turbo truly was one. A lot of rich people died in those things. They'd go do some spirited driving and not realize just how easily the rear-end breaks loose. Once that happens...game over.

I know we are so far off topic here from the original LSD topic but I think I've found out about as much as I can about that subject. Insofar as your suggestion of the Nitto's I'll definitely look into those. I remember a quote from the movie "Days of Thunder" where Robert Duval asks Tom Cruise, "Do you know what wins races? Tires. Tires are what win races."

On another note, I just watched "Mad Max" the other day on Netflix for the first time in years and man...what would I give for some REAL power. I love the TL, don't get me wrong, and my Porsche is fun too and a head turner...but I'm talking about some serious 600HP+ supercharged heaven. The days when you actually had cables that went to carburetors. Can't go around a corner worth a damn but can go in a straight line like a bullet. I don't even know what car that was. It was Australian so it could have been an old Ford Falcon, though I'm not sure about that. All I know is it that Weiand supercharger was SICK!

 

WOW...can't believe I spelled The Beatles wrong...doh! My bad, I should know better---I play their songs in our band!

Amazing what a few Sam Adams will do...

 

The turbo at the time was stock except for a different chip in the boost computer (I can't remember the correct name) that raised the boost a little. It's on a stand alone now. The same car with the ported head, headers, dp, and turbo went low 13s at 116mph a bunch of years later. Once he modded it, it started eating axles weekly. That's when he went with the 6 speed and 928 axles. The 928 axles completely cured the problem, it hasn't been through a single one since they were installed. He's owned that car since about '99. The S2 ran amazingly hard for a 4 cylinder NA even though it was a huge 4 cylinder at 3.0L.


I've driven those older 911 and you're completely right. I can drift all day long, I've owned a 600whp car since I was young and the 911s are the only cars that have ever made me nervous. If it starts to slide you have to immediately give it a little throttle and go full lock on the steering. The tail just keeps going and going and going. I could recover it from higher speeds but from lower speeds like 30mph it was nearly impossible.

I also agree about the old school cars. While mine isn't carbureted, it still has an actual cable connecting the pedal to the throttle body and it does whatever you tell it to do without the electronic nannies ruining the fun. The power is addictive, that's for sure. It's one reason I've never modded the engine on the TL. It's not worth dumping $3,000 in mods to pick up 40hp when the other car puts down nearly triple the power at the wheels with less money in engine mods and weighs 500lbs less. Older cars like this are just raw. They can be a ton of fun because of it and they can bite you in the ass quickly if you don't respect them.