Locomaaan

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So from what i understand, this is a list of bolt-ons needed to achieve 300whp with a 3rd gen Type S

Cold air intake
P2R Throttle body spacer with thermal gaskets
UR lightweight crank pulley
Pre-cat deletes
Jpipe
3rd cat delete
Catback exhaust
Nos stickers (atleast 2 of them)
Good quality premium gas


You can also get do the big bore throttle body and intake manifold spacers. Im not sure how much power they add or how they affect warranty or if they are even worth the money.

This is what i have gatehered from this forum and if anybody feels simething should be added to this list or needs any changes by all means do so.
I made for all the noobies to the site so that they might find their answers before asking the same questions that have been asked atleast a trillion times. Myself inlcuded lol.

I wasnt sure of the exact Hp gain from each bolt on at the time a wrote this up so if anybody wants to throw that in good right ahead.

Bearcat94

I'll re-link this thread which gives a good idea on what kind of progression a user might see: https://acurazine.com/forums/3g-tl-performance-parts-modifications-112/what-b-u-tiful-day-dyno-690686/


Specifically Post #1, quoted below:









Nice idea....

.... but which J-pipe? Are they really all the same? Oh, and I've read EVERY CAI thread, but which one should I buy and why? Can anybody compare the AEM to the Injen? I Searched but couldn't find an answer.

Locomaaan

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U think there is still hope for a ecu tune?

Sonnick

^^ Very little. I think someone will man-up and do it tho, hopefully sooner rather than later.

Oh, and and with a little bump in CR [~11:1 (I forget what the TL-s is..I know the Accord V6 is 10:1)] and some aggressive cams (Bisimoto), 300whp can be seen EASY. Cams do a lot, and should be mixed with high compression to yield the most gains. Also, since our motors are SOHC, aggressive cams are a must!

Locomaaan

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I guess the NOS stickers will have to do until we get an ecu tune

Locomaaan

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Are there aftermarket cams for 07 TLS??

Opel

u can send out stock cams and get them reground to ur specs...ull need management to run bigger cams...can just throw them in there

crzygosu87

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BLACKURA_NY

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As posted by BearCat (thanks)

I made 294whp with a 5AT TL-S, on a dyno-jet

I had

ATLP Quad Exhaust
ATLP J-Pipe V1
RV6 Pre Cat Deletes V1
AEM Cold Air Intake
UR Ultra SC Crank Pulley
P2R TB Spacer
OE IM Gaskets
Innovative Engine Mounts



All of this, was with the STOCK 3RD CAT... which put a 2.25" bottle neck on my 2.5" exhaust system... after adding the ATLP Hi Flow Cat, I am confident my car was around 299-300whp on pump 93 gas

I took down 335is from a 5-10mph roll (dead stop, torque steer killed shit for me)

TheChamp531

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Wouldn't you've had beaten him/her badly? 335i is a TT V6 @ 300HP, with 300WHP I believe you should've got lengths on him. We're talking about 350 BHP.

erick3

we had someone here with a fully bolted on tl-s, and i mean EVERYTHING, dyno at 240-250. it's all over the place...

BLACKURA_NY

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There are a lot of factors.... i enjoyed racing G35/G37s and 335is

From a stand still, those cars usually would beat me, because the ZERO traction i would get, and the torque steer demolitioning my 0-60' times

From a roll, i have taken down more than 1 335i..... no, it wasnt a HUGE beat, but it was a beat.... the 335i's have more torque (some people say that the 335i is underrated with its hp/tq)

BLACKURA_NY

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All depends on the dyno.... I used a Dyno-Jet, that i know for sure, read a little higher then some other dynos... but i made sure to use the same dyno for each and every time i dyno'ed the car.... My main concern was testing gains resulting from each mod i added

alexSU

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I wish I could say that

Opel

Dude, sorry to pick on you but, how did you make almost 300 whp with external bolt ons, on an auto? I question the calibration of the dyno you used.

first off, your car is rated at 286 at the crank, secondly you managed to creep above its hp rating at the WHEELS! without any forced induction, which means ur car is now making about 340-350 hp at the crank, but at the same time youve done nothing to release any engine drag such as removing accessories, and the only way you are releasing HP is through ur exhaust (this is ur biggest gain from released hp, and a little from the crank pulley). and your induction is only a CAI

Think of this...a fully stripped 3.5 (no AC, no steering pump, no alternator, no crank pulley,) with open heads , will make about 330 hp at the crank....keyword CRANK. now to this 330 crank HP, attach the driveline: torque converter, tranny, axles, wheels, and youll end up to somewhere in the 285WHP

now attach every accessory to the motor, and attach the exhaust and you're back to 286 hp at the crank, (these are average numbers im using, give or take) which puts you back to about 230-235 whp on a stock auto 3.5 motor

do you see where im going with this? you have no means of forced induction to have gained that kinda power over the top, the most i can give you with your setup is about 268 whp

think about it, and do your math

BLACKURA_NY

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I do not disagree with you at all.... The numbers may have seemed a tad high, for a 5AT... but the DynoJet was calibrated.... Only thing, the #'s were uncorrected...

I primarily used the dyno (still have most of my sheets) to gauge the gains i received from each and every modification i did.... I believe my car made those numbers, as i was right there when they dyno'ed it... lol

of course, if i went and used a different dyno, i wouldnt doubt that the numbers would probably be in the low 280's...

Car is 286hp at the crank... you figure 15% drive train lose, is about 42hp lost.... So, technically, i should be pulling around 242whp on a stock baseline dyno... which i did (239 actually)


If you look at the post bearcat provided...

239 whp Stock
249 whp + CAI, Pulley, P2R TB spacer, OE IM gaskets
261 whp + ATLP Catback Exhaust
272 whp + ATLP J-Pipe
293 whp + RV6 PreCats & Innovative Mounts

The gains in between each modification seem awfully fair, dont they?

10whp for all the cheesy little accesories
12whp for the ATLP exhaust
11whp for the ATLP J-Pipe

the 20whp for the Precats seems bananas... but dont forget, PEAK horsepower.. those pre-cat deletes robbed me from ALOT of low end power, but surely compensated for it in the higher end...

when my car went into VTEC, it was a monster.. i could spin my tires at 5k RPM

Sadly enough, i never got the time to drag race the car.... i really would have liked to, because thats the true testament of the amount of power you put out...


Oh, and i raced a S/C'ed 5AT 3.2L Once.... and he did NOT beat me.... He did have 1 more passenger then me, but i still managed to over take him.. and he was dyno'ing in the low 290's

Opel

Look, numbers are just that, NUMBERS! and DYNOS
You cant apply a percentage on drivetrain loss.
If my car made 300 Hp at the crank, and lets apply a 20% drivetrain loss, that would = 260 Whp, a total of 40 hp loss

Now you go and mod your car, and you're suddenly pumping out 500 Hp at the crank, so now you apply 20% drivetrain loss, and that would = 400 whp, a 100 hp loss.
Why should your drivetrain loss be greater when you make more power?

i dont consider much of races either...unless its me, and someone i know well. lol but anyway

i dont doubt you beating the 335s off a roll...first they're heavier than you, second theyre rwd, and a greater drivetrain loss...but hwy speeds, they should be beating you

BLACKURA_NY

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^ oh yea... on the highway, after 60-70-80mph.. they're gone.... but little short lived 5-10mph digs.... i had them... 1st-2nd gear where MINE

either way, back on point, i think its easily achievable to have 300whp on a TL-S... especially a 6MT...

Opel

tremendous power can be accomplished....but we're focusing on external bolt-ons, and i dont see 300 whp lol....and ill include 5 lbs each front wheel and tire for a reduced loss lol

Kadokane1989

ppl don't believe me on this but i had a 2002 tls p2r throttle body spacer cai manifold butterfly delet DC headers and y pipe straight pipe exhaust 2.5 can't even remember mufflers but they where aftermarket cosmetic gaskets all around and port polish most of manifold dyno it once 279 hp can't remember tq and a Lil weight reduction I used to play with 335 g37 3vs gt 40 60 roll only had no traction lol