swoosh

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^^^ i might try to do that....

i gotta do a before and after with MDX spacer and before and after with butterfly delete.....

SharksBreath

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swoosh, can you post that excel sheet so we can see everything laid out and updated...and also to see who still has to pay for this.

so if rodney gets at least 10 orders paid, he can start shipping? otherwise we wait until the first of the month?

ggesq

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Anil/Rodney- I updated the first post.

swoosh

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ggesq for President

Thanks bro....

Sharky am trying to update the spreadsheet....I see only 9 payments so far....

the fenda rolla

I'm sending my payment this afternoon after school...guess I'll be number 10...

swoosh

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yeah, its gonna be between you and Alex....

kleenc2000

What "side effects" can result from an ECU?

SharksBreath

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whiplash.

FCVadi

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heart attack, cause you excited...

justnspace

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^love the answers, fellas.

kleenc2000

LOL fair enough.

But what about mechanically in terms of the lifespan of the car and its components?

justnspace

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^if not tuned correctly, you could blow the motor

KN_TL

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It's all in the beholder tune and of the foot.

If you constantly run it like you stole it, it won't last.
If you tune it incorrectly, it won't last

But, it could be the beginning of a quickly shrinking bank account.

swoosh

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less gas mileage....coz ur foot will be sleeping on the gas....

Sonnick

Constipation due to increased butt dyno.

the fenda rolla

BTW, TunerStudio is now just $50!

https://www.efianalytics.com/registe...=TunerStudioMS

FCVadi

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I thought tunerstudio was free? or was that before the extra stuff?

and before anyone asks tunerstudio is only needed if you are going to tweak your J&R ECU

FCVadi

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damn, I never clicked on registration for the extra stuff...I am a dumbass.. still a good price since the software is great from what I heard from folks

swoosh

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^^^ here is the link to FREEEEE software for ur lappy....

http://www.tunerstudio.com/index.php/downloads

the fenda rolla

Will the freeeee version tune everything too???

swoosh

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not sure of the difference bro....but yeah will have to find out....

pass427

The free version will run everything ,this paid version is used with 02 feedback which can self tune car when set up correctly or it can also suggest maps .....
So again you do not need the paid version of tuner studio
The Ecu is a plug and play unit preprogrammed for all model TL or TypeS ,auto or manual upgraded or ,base maps will be uploaded in all Ecu according to mods specified with orders..........
There is no wiring required to unit as for people with 02 wideband there will be a labeled wire 02 that will accept input from innovative or aem ect ........

Theres no trans control or extra wire to wire up in mid 2012 we will go ahead and venture into trans control for people who will be wanting this but has nothing to do with current Ecu ,if all goes well it would be a total different unit to control transmission and shifting ect ...

A wideband is not necessary as your local Dyno shop will have all this if you opt to fine tune Ecu or just run it on Dyno to get numbers of whp ect ..For boosted applications thats when we absolutely recommend a wideband ,

We also do not recommend tring to tune the car or change settings without a tuner or someone with tuning knowledge ,of course for street tuners a wideband will be necessary..hope this clears up any questions ..

the fenda rolla

So just to get this straight, we absolutely need an O2 wideband in order for Tuner Studio to tune the ECU for us? So the FREE version is absolutely useless if we want it to self-tune?

BTW, payment sent...

KN_TL

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As Swoosh points out, it's all here:

http://www.efianalytics.com/TunerStudio/

But the short answer is yes and yes

Think about it, if there is no feedback, how does it know what to base the tune against?

If you going to a tuner and they are just tweaking the settings, then you can use the free version. However, it is likely they have their own laptop to do the changes.

the fenda rolla

^^^ Gotcha, I guess I was hoping the software might at least use the OEM O2 sensor to get some feedback, but I guess no dice...

KN_TL

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I had asked that in this thread because it had me dumbfounded too but totally forgot that you can run in a fixed mode.

The OEM O2 is a proprietary wideband as Inacc pointed out and the MS3 only accepts input directly from narrowband O2 sensors

swoosh

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^^^ thanks for the answer Rodney and Kn_TL...

Yes the free version is used to tuning via laptop and $50 version is for automatically tuning the MS3

Hi speed

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I think the defoulers everyone is using to avoid a CEL would skew any reading of the stock o2 anyway.

swoosh

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^^^ defoulers are only used by PCD crowd....

and how is MS3 gonna get the oem O2 signal ?

also sorry about the other day, completely forgot to text u.....you got PM

KN_TL

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Swoosh, I haven't tried it yet but I am pretty sure you still need the PC for VE Analyze. One reason why I am installing a carpc.

There is also no way that I can see where the stock ECU has an analog output suitable for the MS3 to use. The only option would be to install it next to the stock sensor and finding one that can handle the extreme temperature. I suppose a defouler could be installed to get it out of the direct path of the exhaust.

swoosh

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^^^ fawk this MS3 is offering wayyyy to much.....

cant handle all that info....system overload

Hi speed

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Not that any of us turbo guys aren't using a wideband o2 setup, but the turbo kit also has built in defoulers. That said, I'm pretty sure I have seen a AFR value displayed on the dash dyno, no doubt the o2 reading is off but I think its able to read the oem o2 sensors. I will check it out.

TheChamp531

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Swoosh can you PM me Rodney's number (or if Rodney sees this send me it please)

KN_TL

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Sure Dash Dyno has the ability to read the A/F calculation from the stock ECU, but does it output that value as an analog signal that can be interpreted by the MS3?

Hi speed

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I see what you guys are saying, it just sounded like people were saying the signal from the o2 was proprietary and couldn't be read except by the stock ECU. I wouldn't imagine the ms3 would connect to the stock sensor.

swoosh

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^^^ yes i read (prolly ur comment) that you could connect the OEM sensor to the MS3....Inaccurate said you cudnt....

am still not sure if you could...

KN_TL

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Inacc went through a lot of research with regard to fooling the stock ECU to prevent timing pulls and monitoring knock and A/F. It was first thought that like other automobiles that it was using narrowband sensors but later found that they were indeed wideband and not industry standard.

swoosh

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^^^ you bet....

as i have mentioned before, if Inaccurate says "piss in your gas tank and you will gain 23HP", i would....without researching.....

FCVadi

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I am curious though if you can remove the OEM sensor and put a Bosch sensor in there... both are wideband.. not sure the output of the sensors and also what type of controller the OEM is using... I am just thinking outside the box on this one... the size of the two widebands look to be about the same.. need to pull out the books.. annoying part is I am at the inlaws for the weekend and the books are at home

the fenda rolla

Hmmm...If we already have a wideband from the factory, then why do we need to install another wideband again? I originally thought it was because the OEM one is only accurate up to a certain point, but now the MS3 can only read a narrowband? Then why is Rodney offering a wideband as an added option?

Sorry for the questions, just need a little more clarity...sorry if this has been beaten to death...