Flashpro or suspension mods??
 

What up guys i got 08 tl type s, i just installed xlr8 quad non res exhaust, xlr8 v2 j pipe and ur pulley

Idk what to do next
Either aspec lip kit, tein coilovers, or flashpro and dyno

I have no budget and im lost on what to do next i keep goin back and forth between them all

I need some opinions on what u guys would do

Also if u think their are any other mods i should do before i tune please let me no, i want mods that would be worth it

Thanks guys

No budget!
:rave: Whoot! Whoot! Get them all!

Are you 6MT or 5AT? Either way Flashpro is a solid mod, add Hi-flo pre-cats or pre-cat deletes from RV6 and a ported and polished 3.7 intake with matching throttle body before you tune.

You can't go wrong with any of the mods you listed..mod at your own pace :thumbsup: If you get it tuned post the results!

Coils lol

you will be happier with suspension first. Handling and then power upgrade.

Suspension would be the biggest impact on looks and performance IMO

up to you, do you care more about how you look or how fast you go? Aspec makes the most difference in the car.

coils...

Do you want to go "fast" or do you want to look good? I'd say suspension first if you had to choose.

except, the flash pro by itself wont make you go fast.....

ya'll, stop saying it'll make him go fast. cuz it wont
you'll spend 700+ for the flash pro and you wont even see the gains.


if you spend 700+ on coils you will see, feel and hear(compliments) the gains.

if you aint highly modded with the engine, flash pro is gonna seem like a waste. and exhaust mods are not highly modded...



Go for the coilovers as you will be able to SEE the difference in height, you will be able to FEEL the driving difference and all yo friends be like OMG ITS SO SECKSI!

were can I get the aspec lip kit for 08 tl type s nbp?? and what coils would u recommend im not slamming the car, I live in north jersey and the potholes are terrible, also if I get coils what else do I need? like camber or alignment and such??

^^^^ exactly

OEMacuraparts has the underbody spoilers in stock.

Maybe use an ingalls camber kit. It's kept my alignment solid even after a year.

Coiovers get the win :thumbsup:

What!!?? You're telling me flashpro doesn't turn the TL into a racecar! :drag:

We offer several different coilover options for the 04-08 TL.

The XLR8 ISC coilovers are fully adjustable and offer independent damping and height adjustment. We have them in stock and ready to ship
XLR8 ISC Coilovers - Excelerate - HOA - Japanese Performance Specialist

The Tein Street Flex also provide independent height and damping adjustment as well and are EDFC compatible.
TEIN Dampers - Street Flex - Excelerate - HOA - Japanese Performance Specialist

Also send us a PM for special pricing on the Flashpro!

Cosmetic mods like coils or aspec. After spending for performance you will realize its not gonna happen, wrong platform. But she looks sexy

You need to be realistic with your expectations in the performance of the TL relative to mods. Compare the J-series to other v6's and you realize what a gem it is.

It is a gem. and the engineers didnt leave much else on the table. the cosmetic dollars stretch much further.

Pretty close minded opinions. Engineers always leave quite a bit on the table on any mass produced line. Thanks to a handful of innovative people/companies it's been shown these cars respond quite well to bolt-ons and tuning, as well as forced induction. While certainly not the most efficient platform to put the power to the ground, it's been proven ad nauseam the power can be increased substantially, at the expense of increased NVH. It's not inexpensive to mod this car, but to some, it's worth every penny.

No budget? Start with a Progress 24 mm rear anti-roll bar. For me, upgrading from the stock 13 mm rear bar on my Accord sedan to the 20 mm rear TL-S anti-roll bar was a very noticeable improvement. Similarly, you going from a 20 mm bar to a 24 mm bar of better steel than Acura uses should be a very nice upgrade.

Suspension mods you can play initial D like me on my drive to work everyday.

The car will never be that much faster unless you gut it or boost it, but it does handle pretty well for what it is, I'd do suspension and make it look how you want.

define "increased substantially" on a fully bolted J. then divide by the $ to get you there and its not pretty. Moding is all about goals. if your goal is to have one of the most powerful J's on Acurazine then thats a noble cause and worth it. If your goal is to have one of the quickest sedans out there then your not going to achieve it. I dont think anyone here cares much about NVH. In reality the engineers did not leave much. you can shift the powerband around but true gains are not nearly as easy to come by.

This car shines in looks and handling and the dollars are more cost effective that is all I am saying.

What's interesting is that this community seems to be tuning adverse for bolt ons. The... it's not worth money keeps coming up.... It's absolutely worth it! The J-series responds verywell to opening up the exhaust and intake changes, getting a tune dials it into get the most out of your engine. I'vebeen asked if my car is fast (they hear the exhaust), I politely response it's not fast but it moves along nicely for what it is. It puts down 250 WHP and has a very linear torque “curve” and gets 30 MPG hwy.. What's not to like about that? Nice performance considering the stock J32 is rated at 258 HP at the CRANK.

RV6 J-pipe $450

Cold Air Intake (used) $125

Flashpro $700

ECU and harness $650

E-Tune: $200

Total: $2,185

Gains:

20 WHP Peak

13 WTQ Peak

$109.25 per 1WHP

If I had a Type-S

It would $73.75 per WHP

Modifying cars is notcheap, it's really just burning up money. Everybody always overlooks the bestmod per dollar
TIRES! you can make all the power you want, have the best brakes and suspension in the world but if you don't have nice tires it's all worthless.

True about the tires, Michelin Pilot Sport AS3's are my favorite change I made to the car over some crappy Dunlops that were on it when I bought the car. Dollar/HP gained ratio is way out of line with domestics though, a $200 tune on most GM's will gain 20+HP, and it doesn't take much to add 1-200WHP to any LSX car. Cam, headers, tune will be about that same price and make 100HP like nothing. I'm not putting any go fast parts on my TL anymore unless the stock part is broken.

that $2k that went into performance barely made my car faster.
Barely.
like, i could barely beat a camry and now the camry can barely beat me.


if i had to do it all over again, i would forego the go fast mods.
it simply isnt worth it

Where were you before the $1500 tune? That prolly got you 8HP

I agree that the dollar/hp ratio is out of line with an LSx, but you have to compare the platforms. The J is a motor used in the Accord, TL, and mom-mobiles. The LSX has been used in EVERYTHING. My wife's Escalade ESV picked up 30 rwhp with just a tune - that heavy beast runs 97mph in the 1/4. I'm dying to put longtubes on it! Arguably, it's the SBC of the new millenium, of which in the import world you'd have to look at a B series engine. Used in everything, parts galore available, power to the sky if you want.

I'm not criticizing, but curious - as far as go fast parts for your TL - in your signature, I see a J pipe and a flowmaster muffler. Do you have anything else? If not, you've added the equivalent of a cat-back to every other car in the world. Even an LSX doesn't benefit much from a catback. I see you have an LT1 car too - so did I - a catback is basically useless on that unless you have longtubes. Going by just your post, you've determined that because you didn't add x amount of power by doing a catback, you're giving up on modding for power because it isn't worth it?

Not to let this devolve into an argument on CAIs, since the masses here seem to buy into a members ranting that they don't do any good which is patently false.

For all the tune naysayers, there is another thing that a tune gives you which is incredibly rare with this car - consistency. A tune allows you to tweak the knock control maps which is is very sensitive and can add and remove timing like crazy. Everyone mentioning the reduced power issue would be wise to get a tune. Then again, your tuner has to know what he's doing.

It's not apples to apples but I just threw LSx out there to show how easy some things mod compared to others. I bought some runners to port but realistically I'm not gonna bother, if I get 10HP out of the car, as Justin put it, it'll be closer to catching a V6 Camry lol. I'm all for tuning and modding, just for this post's purposes you'll probably get more smiles per dollar out of making the car handle better vs trying to make it go faster. I'm sure Flashpro is helpful even on a stock car but at least for my money it's not a good value.

My last daily driver was a Trailblazer SS, you could sneeze on the LS2 and it would go faster lol. That's not the case with the J series, not saying it can't be done but I just don't think it's worth it or a good value for what you get back out of the power mods. My Impala's LT1 is old news but still pretty easy to make power on, it runs 12's at over 2 tons with nothing crazy done.

Definitely get some Kooks on that Escalade, probably 40-50 at the wheels out of it. Again something that won't happen that easy on the J series. I like the engine in the car, just IMHO it's a waste of money unless you're going turbo or something to mod it.

Gerco, what makes you think the Type-S is that much cheaper to mod than the base? They're both around the same: ~$100/hp average when staying N/A. The Type-S just starts out with ~25 more at the wheels.

Is it fair to compare a 3.2L-3.5L to 6.0L? Even you say it's not an apples to apples comparison. That's great that those platforms can make more HP/$. :whyme: A cam(s) isn't considered a bolt on.

What mods are on the $2k list? I didn't include my RV6 exhaust :tomato:in my half-assed analysis. I wouldn't consider any of these "go fast" mods, christ they bolt on. They make the TL sound awesome and free up a few HP along the way, sounds good to me.


I was at 230 WHP and 210 WTQ with an RV6 catback. I've posted the graphs on other threads. Vit's Edyno has me at 260 WHP after more revisions but I haven't taken it to be dyno'd since.

Your comment seems like a cut at me spending my money on something I like, why did I get Flashpro? I was interested in the subject matter. I like the idea of data logging and making tweaks to get the most out of the engine, optimizing fuel delivery...seeing gains. Even if some may think they are small it's still forward progress. I was also pumped that J-series finally had a solid tuning option..

Lol missing the point man, I am just saying it cost me more because I have an 04 and had to get a Type-S ECU, harness and CAN bus extension.

Yep, totally missed that. You're right, Flashpro is certainly least cost effective for 04-06 MT cars. I'm into it for a little over $1200, where as any 07-08 car would be into it for $765 if buying it from Vit with the tune special. Again, not cheap, but the improved drivability is hard to put a price on. Granted, the bolt ons, particularly the manifold and TB caused the issues, so it's a viscous cycle really.

Not at all. I am all for developing tuning options for the J. The value just isnt there for me. Glad you enjoy it.

I hope you don't regret getting it! I sure don't. You could say I am patiently waiting for a turbo kit to develop or getting a good deal on a supercharger. :tongue:

Alright it's all good man :thumbsup: How do you suggest we measure suspension parts? if "performance mods" are measured on a HP/dollar basis, then suspension parts are turns/smile or smiles/turn?

I always thought FlashPro would be more widely accept like it is in the Si community. Granted we don't have i-VTEC but still it seemed like the 3G community wanted it..got it...and then was like... to expensive/not worth it..not enough gains bro. :tomato:

the flashpro was a great mod...made my DD car run soo much better

ILC posted his results after adding FlashPro with a King tune.

Not new but it's solid info, here's the thread:

https://acurazine.com/forums/perform...s-tune-878412/

I told you this 2 years ago , when you were laughing at me because I did not want to mod my TL-S. Glad you have learned man:wish:

Real shit listen to the wise men in this thread. Bolt ons dont do shit. The only thing I could feel was deleting my cats. J-Pipe, Exhaust, Intake... I couldn't tell a damn difference. Just shifts the powerband up.

:spanky: to the people that think that bolt ons are going to make their TL into a :drag:

Just because your butt dyno couldn't tell a difference means nothing. There are plenty of a TL/Accord dynos and time slips that say otherwise. I don't know what some people expect from basic N/A mods. They're not going to turn a 258-286 bhp sedan into a GTR slayer, but it's been well documented they do increase power. Again, to some it's understandably not worth the time/money invested.