Cbronze_06TL

Do you think engine upgrade from 2006 TL Base AT to 2007 TL Type-S worth it?

Does TL Type-S engine fits on Base compartment?

Any advantages/disadvantages?

Any inputs are welcome.. Thanks.

EL_PIC

I would no invest time money blood sweat tears.

justnspace

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it would take acouple of thousands of dollars.
.3 displacement isnt that much.
an Auto TL-S puts down the same power as a base 6MT TL.

with that "couple of thousands of dollars" you could just buy a supercharger or a turbocharger which will make you faster than a TL-S 6MT.

thisaznboi88

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I would trade the car in. Its not the engine that is different on the TLS. TLS has paddle shifter, larger rear sway bar, aluminium front subframe. and a few other stuff.

SharksBreath

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Andy270211

^ Lol...


You'll probably get a better deal by trading in...

justnspace

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because RACECAR.

jpm3071

I've seen plenty of guys do manual swaps on volkswagons and hondas. They all said if you really like the car, sell it and buy a stick. Its not worth the hassle.

jpm3071

^Or what he said^

Sonnick

Otacon

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The TL isn't some 20yo busted Civic you can throw a different engine in. It's a bit more involved to swap a J like it's a B.

If you want a Type S you should have bought a Type S.

paperboy42190

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interesting....but just out of curiosity what WOULD be required? engine, ecu, etc?

justnspace

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I disagree.
the mounts MIGHT be the same.
swapping from j32a3 to j32a5 seems like it would be pretty straight forward.

Iver never pulled the either engine so i cannot confirm if the mounts are the same. but since its the same J series. it should bolt right up.
yes, paperboy you would need the type-s ECU.
I believe Paul from AV6 has done this swap and has it documented somehewre

TheChamp531

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Wouldn't you have to switch the tranny anyways? TL tranny to RL tranny.

justnspace

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you're right, it does use a different tranny.

I wonder about the 6mt.

the fenda rolla

Paddle shifters, meh...larger sway bar, i haz Progress 24" RSB, now mines bigger...aluminum subframe, meh again...Brembo brakes, I have Hawk HP+ (soon to be Carbotech XP12s) and Motul 600 fluid, mine stops *much* better..."Sport Suspension", my Koni's/H&R springs handle much better...wheels/tires, again mine better...power, i have the essential power adders to compensate...

And I'm still in a better overall car for thousands less than zee Type-S...You'd be changing all those things with the Type-S as well, so save the $$$ and just put it into the Base...

Andy270211

Cool, getting the best value.


But it's still not a Type-S

The Machine

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Yeah not that I know much about these cars just yet, but I can't see it being worth your money to swap an engine on a naturally aspirated car. Now on a turbo car, it could be worth it. I had a hybrid setup on my WRX, stock 2.0 heads and a 2.5L STi shortblock. And let me tell you the .5L made a world of difference. It raises the compression so my torque was through the roof on a turbo setup that wasn't too much bigger than stock. I think I was putting around 380 ft lbs to the wheels. And of course after the the ECU had to be custom tuned, etc.

the fenda rolla

Haha! True true...every time I see a Type-S I'm like, "Ohhh, Type-S....me likey..." lol ESPECIALLY Kinetic Blue...yes, please...

And I do wantz the red light interior....and a rear bumper that will accept quads out of the box....

P1zzaman

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x2

value, not that I agree with you. I mean 2 x couple thousand = 4 thousand+

rush

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Depending on price of engine & labor the easiest way is to put a MDX motor in there and u I'll work all over a typeS......mdx has more tq but same hp .

justnspace

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right, you can do the same thing with the 3.2 and just swap the 3.5 heads over.
that also brings over the 3.5 cams!

thisaznboi88

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isn't the belt housing different on the type s also? So you would also need the transmission right?

thisaznboi88

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At the end of the days its still a Base. Especially if you every trade it in or get in an accident. They are just going to give you the price for a base. No faking the funk

TheChamp531

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The conversion is only worth it if you do a non-Honda engine (unless we're talking about the NSX). I always wanted to slap a LS9 into our cars.

the fenda rolla

Oh of course, no argument there...less money in, less money out...

The thing is, with the amount of money I paid for and put into my Base, I have a much better performing car than a stock Type-S...and still saved thousands over said stock Type-S...

So, yes, I won't be getting as much for the trade-in/total loss...but of course I didn't pay as much either. But in the meantime (while I actually own and drive it), I'm more than enjoying it...

TmaX

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It all depends on the price and how much you are willing to pay.
For those who already have a base 5AT the Type-S is really only worthwhile if you go with 6MT.

Otherwise only makes sense to go FI instead.

paperboy42190

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im sure the motor mounts would fit though, they arent the exact same part numbers, but im currently using a 2006 accord I4 front motor mount and it runs fine LOL. So im pretty sure accord,tsx, and tl all have same bolt patterns for the mounts.

KidChenz89

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If the car is stock might as well trade it in for a mt Type S plus if you do the swap with parts and labor it would be a bit more expensive... but if your car is modded already just do a MT swap

04socalTL

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just stroke the 3.2 to a 3.6

r3devi7

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Buy a TSX.

Wait wut.

TmaX

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Corrected.

anx1300c

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Base 6MT has the aluminum front subframe as well. Does the Base 5AT not have it???

libert69

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04-06 5at and 6mt have the same subframe

TLtrigirl

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i remember reading somewhere on here that someone wanted to do this...but couldn't. the j35 type-s engine is not a direct fit to the mounts of a j32 base engine. there were a few other details i'm sure i'm missing, but the bottomline is IIRC, the type -s engine would not fit directly if someone were to do a swap. now i'm sure with enough time and money one could modify the mount locations to get the j35 to fit in a base model. however i think you also need to swap the tranny as well. please correct me if i'm wrong.

aIRpeACE

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that's alot of risk

shenrie

is that an option? bolt up to tranny etc? will the nsx tranny work in our cars? forgive the noobness, but ive only fuct with older civics and integras as far as swaps go. would love to do some reading on this if theres any links to be had.

pohljm

The mounts lining up will be the least of your struggles.

Opel

You guys need to get something straight....the 04-06 TL is not a BASE model to anything. It was the ONLY TL, either in AUTO or MANUAL.

And no, an engine swap for a 3.5 is NOT worth your time and money.

Paddle shifters? please!...stick with your PS3 at home lol