CLS6SpeedNupe

Does anyone have any experience with tuning one of these on our cars? im trying to get a good full tune on my motor and I know the emanage cant control vtec but can advance timing, but the AEM FIC can control VTEC but cant advance timing and only retard it. I want full timing control for my tune to allow me to make as much power as possible so does anyone know how well the emanage blue works?

stillhere153

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what i've heard is the best way to go is emanage blue and emanange ultimate (frankenstein style)

CLS6SpeedNupe

yea thats what the 7th Gen Accords have to do but I was told that the cost and trouble to do it isnt worth it.

stillhere153

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well I mean the blue although simple and cheap sadly works on the tl the best

CLS6SpeedNupe

I see, but it doesnt control vtec. So I wonder if I could get like a used VAFC and used that just to control vtec with the emanage

TL|GTX

I thought none of the plug and play power chips work?

MichaelBenz

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Emanage is not a PnP power chip....its piggy back engine management basically.

csmeance

try to see if you can get the AEM F/IC to work. that might be able to help you out. Only bad thing about it is you have to wait 10 seconds before starting your car for it to initialize...

stillhere153

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I have a vafc if you need one

Honestly you might aswell just tune with the afc neo

CLS6SpeedNupe

Been there, done that got rid of it last week cause the ECU kept over riding it. Trying to get something now that I can get tuned once and the ECU wont be able to fight.

04accordcpe

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are you NA or SC?

blue will be all you need if your NA.

remember, the blue can only add fuel, not subtract. you can control timing, but no vtec. if your NA than leave the vtec where its at, you wont benefit much if you lower it.

CLS6SpeedNupe

WTF.. there is no winning when trying to find the right piggy back for my car. No fuel subtraction? no vtec control? why does it say it can do all that one the site then?

http://www.greddy.com/products/displ...SubCategory=48

csmeance

Shouldn't the ultimate be able to all of it to then???? I'm confused

I hate cars

I'm assuming your sig is a joke but the last thing you want if you have a blower is to subtract fuel and add timing.

csmeance

thats his cl in his sig...

CLS6SpeedNupe

the sig is a joke, but i need something thats gonna tune my NA set up good

anx1300c

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Have you run a 14.1 though? What are your mods?

04accordcpe

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true, but the problem i faced using the blue alone, is that my ecu went into safe mode from 6000k rpm to 6300k rpm and was dumping in too much fuel, so it went pig rich between that time. my hp curve had a nasty roller coaster in it and there was no way of correcting it.

i made 323hp at 6000rpm, then it dipped down to 302hp at 6300rpm, then bounced back to 327hp at redline =/ a/f between that time goes from 11:5 to 10flat, then back to 11:5 near redline.

ill go over it again.

emanage blue,
can add fuel ONLY, not subtract, so if it goes too rich like mine did there is nothing you can do. however, it has the ability to control the timing.

emanage ultimate,
has input/output for injectors hence why it has 3 plugs in the back compared to just 2 for the blue, so you can add and subtract fuel and have full control of the injectors when needed, but timing control is not compatible with our ecu's. rule of thumb is to retard 1 degree of timing for each pound of boost your running. i ran the ultimate by itself for a year straight with no problems. but that was when i had my j30a4, which runs at 10:1 compression, compared to the j32a3 which is 11:1. the bump in compression caused it to ping at high rpm and was never able to get rid of it until i was able to retard the timing with the blue unit.

both emanages CANNOT control vtec AT ALL.

that is why i am running the frankenstien ultimate/blue combo. ultimate for a/f and blue for timing. sounds rediculous, but its the only solution to date. right now im tinkering with the aem fi/c, but i have to find a better place to run the vacuum line, since the the fi/c uses its own built in MAP sensor. i might have to drill a seperate hole for it, cause i think the hose is being pinched and im not getting a consistant a/f read off the wideband. theres a few issues non-related with the tuning that i have to address before i go back and get a better tune.

on the plus side, a/f map works great and the a/f has a much flatter line than the ultimate gives. timing works great since it uses cam/crank angles to adjust it, BUT it still cannot control vtec with it. when we set it to a certain rpm, the engine would cut out and throw a rocker arm actuator code.. just like the ultimate and blue did when we hooked it up, so its bypassed for now lookinco claimed to have control of the vtec engagement when he hooked his up, but i still dont see how...

remember, the fi/c is only capable of timing retard not advance, but if your SC'd thats all you need

CLS6SpeedNupe

^^^ best info that I have gotten in weeks of searching on the CL side.

stillhere153

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ok yea I am confused about greddy's site... neither blue nor the ultimate control vtec... how about the v-manage? lol

I dont even want to see 1 car running all 3 at the same time ROFL

pass427

I've been reading the thread and I decided to go with fic for a lot of reasons but my main reason is my tuners advice. Who's my tuner ? Clm tuning out of hillside Newark area Nj he has lot of experience with aem yes he's certified ..anyway I could go on an on but I won't think he's got a couple of you tube videos too......... Anyway I replied to thread so you guys could read this don't know if this link takes you right to site if not. Copy and paste let. Me know. ... Http://www.dezod.com/files/FicvsEman.PDF

CLS6SpeedNupe

UM so basically: tuner said get it... so you getting it.

How about some info to why your tuners is sididng with it vs the emanage

thanks though

pass427

I've been reading the thread and I decided to go with fic for a lot of reasons but my main reason is my tuners advice. Who's my tuner ? Clm tuning out of hillside Newark area Nj he has lot of experience with aem yes he's certified ..anyway I could go on an on but I won't think he's got a couple of you tube videos too......... Anyway I replied to thread so you guys could read this don't know if this link takes you right to site if not. Copy and paste let. Me know. ... Http://www.dezod.com/files/FicvsEman.PDF

pass427

notice you didn't read all that I posted the link will explain why let me know if the link works cls

CLS6SpeedNupe

no the link didnt work sir

THE SLEEPER

http://www.dezod.com/files/FICvsEMAN.pdf
I wish someone would put up the time, effort and resources needed to fully exploit he aem fic on the tl. Techniclicky its what the tl needs. Its allows you to skew the o2 feedback and let acura's killer computer do the rest. No piggy back that tricks the mechanical components of engine control is ever going to be right or safe. Its a losing battle with the computer. Fuel is the REAL issue with tuning the tl. Not timing or vtec. I would do it myself but I dont have the money to experiment right now.

CLS6SpeedNupe

well im ready to do it now and like 2 days ways from buying something. All I need to know is if the the ECU will ever be able to go againts the Emanage blue and change settings. If it cant then im getting that because I want to advance timing and tune fuel. I know the FIC wont be have the issue with the ECU taking back control but it cant advance timing so I dont know can it tune my car to its full potential.

pass427

http://www.dezod.com/files/FICvsEMAN.pdf TRY THIS IT WORKS NOW SIR

CLS6SpeedNupe

hmm so what I take from the bottlem line of this is that the ECU will never be able to go againts its setting, and with the Emanage there is a chance it will. Also the emanage cant pull fuel but the FIC cant. Other than that as far as either of these for tuning a NA car either way will be fine the the emanage I guess is more proven to work right now

CLS6SpeedNupe

Well I just went ahead and ordered my AEM FIC today. My mechanic spent a few hours this morning calling companys like AEM and greddy to get the true low down on their units as far as how compatible they are with my CL. It turns out that none of them are fully compatible as far as having full timing control. Like the emanage is suppose to be able to advance timing but due to something with the crank on my or our cars it cannot. It can only retard timing just like the FIC. Just about everyone running the emanage blue is boosted so they would never be trying to advance timing to notice that it may not work. So basically now with the emanage blue for our cars it cannot :advance timing, pull fuel or change vtec. Now as far as the FIC, it cant advance either but it has full fuel control and vtec control. Now the way I was told to get around the timing advancement is to manually advance the timing with something else and then use the FIC or Blue to pull the timing back down to whats needed. Doing this with the FIC will now allow you to fully tune your fuel, timing and vtec and best part is that th FIC still has the o2 screw so the learning ECU will never be a issue again and for people like me with the AEM UEGO wideband you can connect it to that for logging. Well thats what I learned today so once I get it and wired up with a boomslang extension harness I will start off with dyno tuning just the fuel then later test the timing once I get the proper timing advancing device.

1hotcls6

has anyone figured out how to retard timing on a cls6 yet??!! if so pleasse contact me