Pro Stock John

Thx for sharing.

Define jerking.

Meaning, when you are holding a steady rpm, and in the middle of a gear, it might jerk or buck?

Or it jerks on shifts?

Big difference.

invincible569

mrsteve needs to go drive his car to see what this jerking is all about.

mrsteve

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My car is no longer boosted and we (2nd Gen) never had issues with 'jerking'

wizlb

Has I am going fast from 2nd to 4th gear and between 2 to 4 RPMs.
The car will jerk a little. But this car is speed. I can press the gas just a little and I will fly pass people.
This small problem is no concern anymore because I am able to go ast enough to move pass the jerking now.

The good thing is CT is working on fitting it and just having it on the computer in a few months, I am happy, very happy about my purchase.


So my review is this.

I wanted Speed, power and I got it! And I am very please.

CT said 03 TL SC was only 35 HP gain and 04 is 65 with 6mt. Plus with the 04 has a better engine. There is no need for header down pipes or any other add ons.

For those looking for a SC and only $400 more then 03 models this is your best choose.

mrsteve

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Can't compare the two cars/kits.

The '03 TL was automatic with a much less efficient drivetrain. Additionally the '03 TL kit had the ability to run higher than standard boost level.

I made 105whp over stock with 6-7psi, headers, and catback exhaust on an automatic.

JUST the addition of the supercharger at the stock boost level (of 3.5psi) the car would gain 35whp.

The '04 TL kit runs more boost in standard form (4-5psi vs 3.5psi on the '03 kit) and the TL has a better ECU management system and higher compression.

Many variables that make it impossible to directly compare the two.

invincible569

Yea, but you would be a better candidate explaining to us what is happening. Thats all.

againstallodds1

Mid 13's for our car supercharged doesnt sound too appealing. I would think adding 60 more hp would shave a second. Does any one know if there is any plans on a chip being manufactured? I mean what can we do to get this car in the 12's without nitrous and not swapping engines?

PoochaKannInc

^ Two issues. Traction. Weight. They are impt factors.

mrsteve

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Sorry you felt that way but the phyics just doesn't justify it. You need x amount of horsepower to move x amount of weight (plus factoring in the FWD traction issues).

All things being equal (including traction) you'll need 100whp over stock to drop a second off the ET.

For what it's worth only 1 2nd Gen CL or TL has ever hit the 12s and it was a turbo charged 6-speed making over 360whp.

Don't expect to see many or any 3rd Gen TLs running 12s without extensive modifications.

bklynpanman

what is everybody's obsession with "12's" it's a f'n #... you gonna feel the difference between.. 12.8 and 13.5.. no not really.. chill the F out

mrsteve

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If you wanted to run 12s you bought the wrong car.

mrsteve

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No one picked up on this?

A blow-off valve serves no purpose on this style blower because our throttle body is BEFORE the compressor and once you lift off the throttle the bypass-valve opens and any difference in pressure is eliminated.

againstallodds1

why is it that other acura and hondas have after tranny cooler with
BOV's design that adds 10-15 whp? http://www.autocarparts.com/parts/Fo.../ALL/Comptech/

againstallodds1

Im not an expert, nowhere near one but I saw this and thought there would be one made for our car in the future.

mrsteve

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Completely different kit for a completely different car. I don't think a single part between the two kits are shared. And the 10-15whp increase comes from the aftercooler and has nothing to do with the blow-off valve. The bypass valve on that kit allows for a blow-off valve to be installed if you'd like. Higher boost levels may warrant the need to install one.

Again, since the compressor is after the throttle body there's no need for a BOV.

Pro Stock John

I'm thinking a 300fwhp 3G 6MT TL is a like a 13.3@110 mph car with a 2.1 short time, but only time will tell. I agree with GrampaSteve, I think 325-350fwhp will be needed for 12's but low `3's is should beat 90% of the cars out there.

If the car bucks on shifts, could be weak driving, or maybe some torque management. I wonder if the TL's reduce timing between shifts to keep from breaking driveline parts.

mrsteve

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For what it's worth I ran 13.30 @ 108 MPH with 300whp so your figures are about right. My short time was 2.0 though. That's also in an automatic which obviously is much easier to launch and drive.

I won't expect to see many S/C'ed 3rd Gen's running 300+whp with just the supercharger and exhaust. Something would need to be done to lower the temps. Water/methanol injection would be a cheap (~$500) solution to pick up the additional 10-15whp needed to break the 300whp mark by lowering IAT and thus allowing more ignition timing.

Atrain

I've seen 3,900 lb. T-Birds ('94-'97) run 12's naturally aspirated with less than 300 RWHP and an auto transmission. The fact that you ran 13.30 @ 108 mph tells me you aren't getting traction and some wheel spin is adding to the trap speed.

108 mph is a 12 second car with the TL's weight. Hooking is the key.

I ran 13.3 @ 103 mph with my 3,900 4.6L V-8 T-Bird.

Mr. Steve,

I agree with you 100%, a blow-off valve is not required with the supercharger and set-up in question. I run 10-psi of boost with my Eaton M90S on the 4.6L T-Bird. The Eaton has a by-pass valve and that's all you need.

I would be more concerned with finding colder spark plugs and keeping the A/F ratio in check especially concidering the hyperuetectic pistons, then worrying about a blow-off valve.

A-Train

mrsteve

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I ran plugs that were 2 steps colder.

What were your short times when you can 13.3 @ 108?

13.30 @ 108 is the best that's been done by a S/C'ed car thus far. I didn't have any wheel spin at all. There's a video floating around I gotta find again.

I did hit the rev limiter at the 2-3 upshift which easily acounted for a tenth or two and maybe 1 full MPH. We'll never know now.

Pro Stock John

Nice numbers GrampaSteve.

Reality is that, this is to the T-Bird guy, you can't always compare one car to another. Gearing, tuning, tires, size of the stall converter all play a role.

I'm sure that Steve's car would have went 12.9 had he put a higher stalling converter in it, drag radials, and no cats.

If I built a 3G to drag race, I'd:

5AT
3000 stall converter
!cats
catback
supercharger
methanol injection (like Steve mentioned).

My 98 Formula as an example has a 4500-5000 stall and cuts 1.35 at the track.