swoosh

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^^^ Jeff, I agree with Justin...

its not about the weight the Type S cam is hollow and its rotational mass....imagine how much 1lb will make a difference in tires (its multiplied by 5), the weight difference in the cams is almost 1/2lb to 1lb (havent gotten a definitive number yet)....and this rotates thousands of rpm/minute....

I would just look for a Type S core and get work done on it...

anx1300c

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75-80 whp over stock is a huge stretch for standard bolt ons, some manifold P&P and cams. I do admire your enthusiasm though.

sauceja

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True swoosh.

I may have to wait until later in the year then. I don't drive the car much in the winter as is. The manifold and everything else can be sent off whenever. But I found a deal on powder coating so I may send my valve covers off as well when I send my cams off.

Majofo

I win.
/game

IntactACK

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Thanks that helps me make my decision easier, I'm going to pick up my exhaust from Andy next weekend was supposed to go this weekend but it just didn't work out. He also told me he would forward me that tune lol and I could use it as a base to work off.

IntactACK

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I will almost guarantee I'm about 300whp...I will dyno soon anyways though

IntactACK

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Tough question of the day is which wheels to run....I'll report back about to get the car ready heading to the track, wish me luck and pray its not to warm lol.

gerzand

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Have fun today man

gerzand

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head swap and full custom exhaust almost done. All work done in house...literally. haha

maharajamd

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Wow Andy. Raising the bar very high. Good shit man.

Undying Dreams

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Well well well, looks who's back.

Sonnick

It's hot dude....let us know what track, I will put it in the DA calculator on Dragtimes to see what it says. You can do it too.

In terms of power, I wouldn't doubt he's around 300whp. Simione on vsixp put down 290/240 SAE in his bolt on J32 Accord. 4" CAI/Type S cams/PCDs/2.5" Jpipe to 3" collector & exhaust/3.7 manifold/TB/Runners/Pulley. All dynos are different, even some Dynojets I'm assuming, depending on the type (248x, 224lc, etc). I know a guy on vsixp with a 7G Accord with I/E that put down 225 on the same dyno i_love_cars made 295. That's a huge difference.

swoosh

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Sonnick, its always gonna be something or the other, either its time slips, or dyno or wrong dyno or correction factor or not possible....some people are very hard to please....some people cannot convince the crowd and others are just convincing....

If I remember right Andy said he was around 340whp in his Base 5AT with stage 2 cams, head work, MS3 tune, exhaust, AEM (v2?) intake, pnp manifold from the Base....if I hit the dyno an am at 310whp with the same mods + 4" intake and SHAWD manifold, I am definitely gonna hit up Andy to see whats going on with my car....

Matt, if you dont mind forwarding me the tune as well....I would like to compare a cammed base 5AT tune to Type S bolt on tune....wanna see where the differences are....Thanks man....

IntactACK

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Well guys on my fastest run I was at a 14.432 but its 93 degrees here on no tune with my brother in the car and a half tank of gas. I got massive respect from everyone here. Kind of funny when's there's nice muscle cars everywhere and I got non stop compliments all day. My 60 foot times were horrible at 2.3 as my fastest. I'm going to run my stock wheels next time I was on 19x8.5 in the fronts and 19.95 rears it wasn't helping lol. I beat a bolt 2011 camaro rs though twice that was nice

i_love_cars

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the current whp right now is only worth so much if there's no pre-cammed dyno to compare against - what we need from Intact is a dyno pre-cams, and then another one for now that he has cams. Then another dyno after tuning (assuming he gets a JnR). That will give information that is actually useful because it would show ballpark gains, and the lines on the chart itself would also give some indication of how the stock ECU handles a stage 2 cam.


Dynos are weird, man. Those base numbers on his '05 you're talking about seem really high. I've got Andy's dyno charts from his type-s with the full 9 yards - race heads, custom cams - everything except his 3" dump. I've also got the chart of it after the JnR tune. The numbers looked a lot different.


You need some lightweight wheels and good tires for the strip - I use V12 evos on the street but at a drag strip i would be on Nitto Nt05 or the hankook RS-3 for sure. With mods you have and no tune currently, I would still expect higher 13's with a decent wheel/tire setup.

NvrDwn

I expected high 13's as well.

Sonnick

What was your trap speed?

And yes, ILC you make a good point about before/after dynos. An after dyno is just that, numbers. At this point it's all we can hope for tho.

swoosh

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ilc, cant agree with you more...same car, same day, same temps, usually are on the dyno for 3-4 runs since the numbers fluctuate as much as 5-7whp/wtq LOL...

but this is the post from Andy back in 2009 (I have not seen his Base or his friends base dyno charts as well, but I do believe this guy )


taken from this thread:
https://acurazine.com/forums/3g-tl-performance-parts-modifications-112/j32-na-project-opel-ihatecars-please-join-749155/

IntactACK

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I agree I would put much better times down with a better wheel/tire setup. I was averaging about 98 mph 1/4

Majofo

NvrDwn

That's a stock car trap speed. You need to figure out the da corrected time. Is your friend, large?

richardparker

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Do you have pre cam runs ?
What were your times before?
Just a guess but, at 98mph you have what 250-260hp at most.

Sonnick

98? Damn. What track was it?

anx1300c

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That's a stock trap speed corrected though, not in 93 degree weather. All the mags were getting 14.3-14.4 @ 98 for the 6MT base, and those numbers are often hard to duplicate. Check Bouncer07's time in his sig, it's 14.8 @ 96 mph all stock.

Honestly, I'm not surprised with these runs considering everything. A couple years ago I was also going 14.4-14.5 @ 98 in temps in the 80's. Those numbers corrected favorably. Last Fall, I went 14.3 @ 100.7 in low 60's weather with no changes to the car. That one corrected to 14.1 @ 101, on a 2.2x sixty foot, so it shows what heat does to our cars. I'd guess at that point I was making maybe 250-255 whp? I haven't gone back since then, but now with the 3.7 mani, TB, I'm hoping for 13.9-14.0 @ 102. I think I'll need an upper 2.1x to see 13's.

On a semi related note, I think the J30 A5 makes within a couple horsepower of the J32 A3 (if not the same) and being a couple hundred pounds lighter, you're going to be a little faster, all things considered.

anx1300c

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Not as bad as everyone is making it out to be, considering temps and extra passenger! Lose the passenger and run on a 55-60 degree day and that 14.4 @ 98 will be 14.0 @ 101-102 on the same 2.3 sixty. Get tuned, lighter wheels, drop that sixty a couple tenths and you'll see 13.5-13.6 @ 103-104.

I ran a bolt on RS a couple times last year. He beat me by like half a tenth due to his 2.0x sixty but I was trapping ~3 mph higher. He'd be a couple car lengths ahead at the 1/8 and by the finish, I'd have my A pillar at the back of his door. FWD FTL, lol.

IntactACK

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Well the start/launch pad is new and its shitty track. No one was putting down good times and or comparable times to what they normally run. I was keeping up with challengers and gtos all day about a car length sometimes 2 back(not everyone obviously, have to be careful with what I say on here now). I'll post a real time when I go to nyiirp. I broke a drivers side axle coming out if the hole my 10-12th run.

I add in like I said a beat a bolt on rs camaro that has what 320 horse, my average 60 times were more like 2.5 with .55reaction up to .83.

I'm not basing these times off anything giving all the poor conditions and variables. I was out to have fun it was an awesome day. THE TL GOT MORE ATTENTION THAN ANY OTHER STREET CAR. I CANT COUNT ON ONE GAND HOW MANY PEOPLE COMPLIMENTED ME, RIMS/LOOK/DAMN THAT THINGS FAST/ ETC ETC.

BUDDY AND I WITH THE M3 ARE GOING TO A GOOD TRACK AND WE WILL SEE THE DIFFERENCE. TEST AND TUNES ARE AT NIGHT SO TEMPS WILL BE MUCH LOWER. HEADING OUT TO THE GARAGE TO CHANGE AXLE TRANNY FLUID AND WIFEYS OIL. WISH ME EASY WRENCH TURNING.

LIVE IT. LOVE IT. SHARE IT.

NvrDwn

You were within 2 car lengths of which gto? The ls1 or ls2 only the 04 gto had the ls1. I raced an 04 gto with intake and udp and 100lbs out of the car and was even with him. The 05+ are low 13 cars. So if they were running 14.0-14.2 then it must have been horrible conditions.

AccordFlex

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No way in hell the car is at 300 whp. My guess would be in the 270's-285 top.

thisaznboi88

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so I heard you can't regrind tl-s cams because they are because they are simply lives pressed onto a splined shaft...not a solid casting.

Quoted by yougone on v6p

NvrDwn

On v6p a guy with slightly more mods 3.7 mani zdx TB to be exact put down 290. Oh and yeah he has the j32a3. So i see no reason to think he makes less than 300 unless you think stage 2 cams are only good for no more than 15whp.

Sonnick

Let's just wait until he dynos. We are assuming the stock ECU is compensating for the cams. I don't believe he has a wideband, so we don't really know for sure. A wideband datalog or dyno would be awesome, but no rush. You are already one of the few who has cammed a J series.

i_love_cars

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I dunno man - maybe, maybe not. Stage 2 cams without any head porting can only take you so far. Not having worked-over intake valves doesn't help either.

one dyno number means nothing. I could have a dyno show my car making 500 whp if i wanted. Different regions, different climates, different dynos, different correction factors - you know all of this as well as I do.

There just isn't enough empirical evidence yet to say one way or another about the power that cams make. We don't have enough j-series yet running cams on different mod combinations to have a good idea.

This Intact dude was our best shot at 6mt dynos before/after of having cams with a good amount of flowing bolt-ons like PCD's, j-pipe, etc.

the rest of us who are doing cams for the most part are built (myself included and all my stuff is done all at once) with higher compression and thus custom cam profiles way more aggressive, blah blah. I have before dynos of my car with all my current mods, but even when I do an after dyno, it won't tell us much about the cams in isolation because I'll also be running worked heads and higher compression.

I still think his car is capable of dyno'ing somewhere in the 275 area, though. Tuning would really help. With stage 2 cams, you've probably got the better part of 10 whp left on the table if you aren't tuned.

swoosh

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can we stop assumptions and crapping on this thread? in some cars ECU compensate pretty well, some dont....

I remember Rodney telling me, one of the cars he installed the MS3, it gained only 2WHP/3WTQ....only because the ECU was right on the money with the AFR and Spark timing....

I have never been to a dyno but I am dead sure its high time....I will be hitting the dyno before the cams and after port and polish/stage 2 cams/ms3 tuning....I think this will give a pretty good ballpark for peeps looking for dynos....

Now if someone have good info on CAMS list em, else please dont shit on this thread because from what I know is NONE OF YOU (who are making assumptions) ARE RUNNING CAMS...

anx1300c

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Who's shitting on this thread? People are speculating, in a civilized manner, as to what they think the cams may be good for power-wise. It's an open discussion forum, and as long as everyone abides by the rules and generally stays on the topic of the thread, they're free to post what they want, regardless of whether or not they have what you deem to be "good info on CAMS".

swoosh

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^^^ PEOPLE ARE JUST ASSUMING

we all know cams make power and people are just assuming so as to what the new 1/4 miles times and HP/TQ are gonna be at....give the man a change to go to the dyno/track and post some numbers up...

in the meantime lets discuss on how cams wear out other components and or how what should be the installation like or if someone should get ARP head studs/etc

anx1300c

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Of course people are just assuming, since as far as anyone knows, no one has dynoed before/after with cams. If you want hard numbers in order for this thread to continue, I hate to say, but it's gonna die fast.

And did you even read this last page? Intact did go to the track and post his times.

swoosh

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^^^ thats what am saying, lets not count the chickens before they hatch....

either way, since it doesnt look like you gonna stop with the assumptions and justification, I think I will stop posting for a little bit until there is some useful info posted and not assumptions

NvrDwn

Gerzand posted in another forum that he gain 30whp and 40wtq from stage 2 cams. However he never showed dyno proof. But gerzand is a stand up guy and I see no reason to criticize it. That was not on his now fully built car, it was his other auto tl with no head work.

Atlas.46

wish there was some before and after dynos...

I will make a thread soon for my Accord.(J30) So that Sonnick isnt alone.

IntactACK

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One of the most stand up guys I've met, that I've never hung out with lol. I bullshit with him on a daily basis and he always is willing to help me when I'm a Noob. I took 95% of his information trusting him when installing the cams, its just been a tough few months that guys I was lucky enough to install cams and do all the work I did considering I'm in the process of buying this house. 35 grand out of pocket makes modding a daily driver pretty unjustifiable to a woman lol....and to add she is better than most, her father owned a body/mechanics shop so she grew up with it. Give me some time to give some more valuable information. I regret not going out of the way to dyno before hand. I can say my car "feels" like it has a hell of a lot more power, yes I lost some low end power. I've been modding cars since I was 15 done all my own work and raced auto cross to drag racing to on a professional track at Watkins glen. I can also give an assumption and attest to my experience and say that I've gained a lot of power and its more so between 3.5k-4k to 6.5k redline ish.

I can also say that the track conditions were almost the worst I've ever seen but I wasn't not going to reveal my times because everyone was throwing ahhissy fit. I can tell you my 1/8 times should be much lower resulting in obviously a faster time. No one could launch well, it was super hot, Hugh humidity, I'm going to go to a good track where they also hold night runs providing me with colder denser air and I'm going to bring both sets of wheels and do separate runs on the same evening. Give me time guys or try yourself that's the fun in it.....I tore apart my drivers side CV joint lol the womanwoman wasnt loving that when I came home on a flatbed