Acura TL Builder's Ultimate Boost Thread
06-10-2019, 01:46 PM
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The feeling one gets when the car is violently fast from the quiet, tame, and otherwise slow car, is hard to match.
Particularly when you did the work yourself.
That way, by the end of your project, if it looks and functions like garbage, you have no one else to blame.
A long standing member once wrote here, “It’s a window into one’s home”. Your results show who you are in most other aspects of your life.
But I understand how some find it easier to just buy a finished product.
Particularly when you did the work yourself.
That way, by the end of your project, if it looks and functions like garbage, you have no one else to blame.
A long standing member once wrote here, “It’s a window into one’s home”. Your results show who you are in most other aspects of your life.
But I understand how some find it easier to just buy a finished product.
06-10-2019, 01:56 PM
#1002
we're in different places in life. 
I also don't rely on objects to determine my self worth.
but I can understand how it can be a good substitute for some.
and what is fast? What's fast enough? It's never enough.
Is fast the only goal? Is traction important?
a fool and his money soon part ways.
I also don't rely on objects to determine my self worth.
but I can understand how it can be a good substitute for some.
and what is fast? What's fast enough? It's never enough.
Is fast the only goal? Is traction important?
a fool and his money soon part ways.
06-10-2019, 07:10 PM
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we're in different places in life.
I also don't rely on objects to determine my self worth.
but I can understand how it can be a good substitute for some.
and what is fast? What's fast enough? It's never enough.
Is fast the only goal? Is traction important?
a fool and his money soon part ways.
I also don't rely on objects to determine my self worth.
but I can understand how it can be a good substitute for some.
and what is fast? What's fast enough? It's never enough.
Is fast the only goal? Is traction important?
a fool and his money soon part ways.
Why pay the amount of money you do for four cars if that notion is your way of life?
With that belief, You should just buy a low mileage 1998 Honda Accord and be Happy with your intangibles.
I usually hear that line from people who are jaded after living the life they now reject.
Balance is key(without pharma meds).
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06-10-2019, 07:13 PM
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Car goals:
Acura TL Comptech - OEM soft ride with a little more power
Acura TL-S Rotrex - Performance major, streetable minor
Acura TL Comptech - OEM soft ride with a little more power
Acura TL-S Rotrex - Performance major, streetable minor
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06-10-2019, 07:23 PM
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Not the power I was expecting.
Wonder if sending the car on back to back races with 2.3qrts of oil had anything to do with it?
Will do a compression test this week. :o
Vroom!
06-10-2019, 07:40 PM
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06-10-2019, 07:51 PM
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06-10-2019, 08:22 PM
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Not sure what happened. The compression should be good. Engine is dry, doesn't smoke. Engine runs solid.
Original tuning numbers were low aswell.
Car was originally tuned to 386whp @ 11.2psi on pump gas.
So 413whp @ 9psi on E85 sounds right.
Wonder what I’m doing wrong on my build?
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06-10-2019, 08:25 PM
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06-10-2019, 10:25 PM
#1013
Not sure what happened. The compression should be good. Engine is dry, doesn't smoke. Engine runs solid.
Original tuning numbers were low aswell.
Car was originally tuned to 386whp @ 11.2psi on pump gas.
So 413whp @ 9psi on E85 sounds right.
Wonder what I’m doing wrong on my build?
Original tuning numbers were low aswell.
Car was originally tuned to 386whp @ 11.2psi on pump gas.
So 413whp @ 9psi on E85 sounds right.
Wonder what I’m doing wrong on my build?
Even 386whp at 11.2psi is low. I made 435whp at 11.7psi on pump gas on the c38-92 again, through the auto. 395whp with the smaller c38-81 with less boost pressure (11psi).
06-10-2019, 10:26 PM
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06-11-2019, 11:42 AM
#1016
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Leak down finds out where the discrepancy is coming from (valves, past piston rings, into coolant system) and should be done with a warm engine.
Have any dyno charts? Peak numbers are snap shots only.
Don't get to hung up on #'s alone, its just a measurement device, take it down the track and see how it puts down the power.
06-11-2019, 12:47 PM
#1017
Is that why you don’t take out a loan on a car every 3 years?
Why pay the amount of money you do for four cars if that notion is your way of life?
With that belief, You should just buy a low mileage 1998 Honda Accord and be Happy with your intangibles.
I usually hear that line from people who are jaded after living the life they now reject.
Balance is key(without pharma meds).
Why pay the amount of money you do for four cars if that notion is your way of life?
With that belief, You should just buy a low mileage 1998 Honda Accord and be Happy with your intangibles.
I usually hear that line from people who are jaded after living the life they now reject.
Balance is key(without pharma meds).
married to them and I can get out from under them pretty much whenever.
Jaded, a little...but not so much that, I'm older now and have different disposable income and responsibilities than I did 10 years ago. I also
see things differently now. For instance, when I see a car that's slammed I cringe at how it must drive whereas before I was maxed on my
coilovers and felt like it wasn't low enough. Same with bass...I've had a 10" to install in the last 3 cars and I haven't...whereas with the TL I
had two 12's and loved it.
I still think it's cool, it's just not for me...which is the point you seem to keep missing. I'm not hating on your or anyone else for doing it, I think it's
great and I recognize that there was a time in my life where I spent almost all my time in the garage. Now, I balance that with family time and
hanging with the kids etc. I'm not saying either way is better...just that we're at different points. The spending 10K for reliably adding FI to any car
though...even at the peak of my expendable income, I wasn't able to stomach. That's why I jumped on the CTS-V Wagon at what I considered
a reasonable price...turnkey reliable power...got to enjoy it...bam. I also don't like buying other people's projects...learned that the hard way with
JJH's TL...it was cool to have an all motor 300hp TL but in the end, when it came time to troubleshoot and figure out what the fuck was wrong with it
I didn't know where to start.
Now, to show I don't even mind being a hypocrite I will say...if I had been smart and kept my black TL that I saw on the showroom floor until I owned it
at 5 years and 34K miles...and had known how much money I would have put into other cars and taxes on other cars etc...I probably would have stayed
married to it, maybe thrown a used supercharger setup on it and have repainted the disappointingly sorry Honda NBP paint. That's an impossible
scenario though.
06-11-2019, 06:52 PM
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That's the point, I don't take pay a large amount of money on any car. I have 4 cars because they all do different things, I'm not financially
married to them and I can get out from under them pretty much whenever.
Jaded, a little...but not so much that, I'm older now and have different disposable income and responsibilities than I did 10 years ago. I also
see things differently now. For instance, when I see a car that's slammed I cringe at how it must drive whereas before I was maxed on my
coilovers and felt like it wasn't low enough. Same with bass...I've had a 10" to install in the last 3 cars and I haven't...whereas with the TL I
had two 12's and loved it.
I still think it's cool, it's just not for me...which is the point you seem to keep missing. I'm not hating on your or anyone else for doing it, I think it's
great and I recognize that there was a time in my life where I spent almost all my time in the garage. Now, I balance that with family time and
hanging with the kids etc. I'm not saying either way is better...just that we're at different points. The spending 10K for reliably adding FI to any car
though...even at the peak of my expendable income, I wasn't able to stomach. That's why I jumped on the CTS-V Wagon at what I considered
a reasonable price...turnkey reliable power...got to enjoy it...bam. I also don't like buying other people's projects...learned that the hard way with
JJH's TL...it was cool to have an all motor 300hp TL but in the end, when it came time to troubleshoot and figure out what the fuck was wrong with it
I didn't know where to start.
Now, to show I don't even mind being a hypocrite I will say...if I had been smart and kept my black TL that I saw on the showroom floor until I owned it
at 5 years and 34K miles...and had known how much money I would have put into other cars and taxes on other cars etc...I probably would have stayed
married to it, maybe thrown a used supercharger setup on it and have repainted the disappointingly sorry Honda NBP paint. That's an impossible
scenario though.
married to them and I can get out from under them pretty much whenever.
Jaded, a little...but not so much that, I'm older now and have different disposable income and responsibilities than I did 10 years ago. I also
see things differently now. For instance, when I see a car that's slammed I cringe at how it must drive whereas before I was maxed on my
coilovers and felt like it wasn't low enough. Same with bass...I've had a 10" to install in the last 3 cars and I haven't...whereas with the TL I
had two 12's and loved it.
I still think it's cool, it's just not for me...which is the point you seem to keep missing. I'm not hating on your or anyone else for doing it, I think it's
great and I recognize that there was a time in my life where I spent almost all my time in the garage. Now, I balance that with family time and
hanging with the kids etc. I'm not saying either way is better...just that we're at different points. The spending 10K for reliably adding FI to any car
though...even at the peak of my expendable income, I wasn't able to stomach. That's why I jumped on the CTS-V Wagon at what I considered
a reasonable price...turnkey reliable power...got to enjoy it...bam. I also don't like buying other people's projects...learned that the hard way with
JJH's TL...it was cool to have an all motor 300hp TL but in the end, when it came time to troubleshoot and figure out what the fuck was wrong with it
I didn't know where to start.
Now, to show I don't even mind being a hypocrite I will say...if I had been smart and kept my black TL that I saw on the showroom floor until I owned it
at 5 years and 34K miles...and had known how much money I would have put into other cars and taxes on other cars etc...I probably would have stayed
married to it, maybe thrown a used supercharger setup on it and have repainted the disappointingly sorry Honda NBP paint. That's an impossible
scenario though.
When I was 23 I installed a 12” sub into my white 1998 Chevy Prism. Anytime I see a slammed car my L-4 L-5 begin to ache. Sometimes I drive in their blindspot to watch the car bounce at every groove and the occupant holding on like their riding a bull.
Which of your cars have you sold?
06-12-2019, 08:35 AM
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So 413 whp on 9psi? Correct? I don't think that is too far off from Ohno's #s because he was running 2 more psi. What is the reason for only running 9psi and not 12-15? Im guessing probably flirting with stock internals capability.
06-12-2019, 08:44 AM
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Nice car list! I’ve only owned a few cars.
1998 Honda Civic EX 5MT
1998 Chevy Prizm 5MT
2008 Acura TL Base 5AT
2007 Acura TL-S 6MT
1998 Honda Accord DX 5MT
2001 Honda Accord EX 5AT
06-12-2019, 08:50 AM
#1023
Burning Brakes
Well like 6sp said earlier don't get stuck on dyno #s. I would be so happy with 400whp. My mustang's last motor made 365hp/385tq. With only going down the track two times with that new tune I ran 11.7 @ 116mph with a 1.6 60ft. With more seat time I know I could've got down to at least 11.3 or so. The TL is not a drag friendly setup but I bet your car is a blast on the highway
06-12-2019, 08:52 AM
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English is using new software, it was also pretty hot in the tuning garage that afternoon.
Very satisfied with the tuning results! The car has no exhaust smell, it runs buttery smooth through the RPM band. Almost feels stock.. Doesn’t help that the clutch feels stock as well.
The engine runs quieter now. Sounds like there is less HP, but it Moves when you blip the throttle.
@ohnoitspiter What was the temp in the tuning bay and altitude when your car was tuned last.
06-12-2019, 08:55 AM
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Well like 6sp said earlier don't get stuck on dyno #s. I would be so happy with 400whp. My mustang's last motor made 365hp/385tq. With only going down the track two times with that new tune I ran 11.7 @ 116mph with a 1.6 60ft. With more seat time I know I could've got down to at least 11.3 or so. The TL is not a drag friendly setup but I bet your car is a blast on the highway
Ya the TL is very much a highway cruiser. It’s best not to 0-60 a built TL, it just spins the tires(currently) anyways.
So I could potentially run 11s? :o
06-12-2019, 09:37 AM
#1027
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Hhaha well I guess you could with some work. My tires were bias ply Mickey Thompson ET Street 26x11.5- I think that is about a 275 in radial or so. Just enjoy the car- Good work
06-12-2019, 09:34 PM
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Heres the culprit fellas.
My intake temps are akin to the exhaust temps. Guess why?
The original 1800F fiberglass insulation has literally liquified and melted onto the intake pipe.
Amazon sells the lightest material on earth called Aerogel(I used to buy More than a decade ago at Nuclear Scientific It was developed by a company contracted for NASA missions. It is the best insulator on the planet.
I just ordered a sheet of this material to keep my intake temps down.
my engine would heatsoak in minutes... that’s why the power is down even though the engine is solid.
Same heaksoak issue used to be in my Comptech until I installed water/Meth and an auto tranny cooler. Never experienced it again. The harder I push the Comptech TL, the cooler the temps get!
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06-12-2019, 10:51 PM
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I also plan to get the RV6 PCDs and ATLP J-Pipe ceramic powder coated like I had done to the RV6 HFPCs on the Comptech TL.
Aerogel insulation is a 40” x 8” x 0.24” sheet and Silver insulation tape 2” x 50’ arriving Friday.
The entire 4” air intake tube will be wrapped and keep it in place with the Silver insulation tape. I opted for Silver tape instead of the Gold to keep with the OEM style.
Intake tube insulation and powder coating will reduce engine bay temp Greatly like it did on the Comptech TL.
Aerogel insulation is a 40” x 8” x 0.24” sheet and Silver insulation tape 2” x 50’ arriving Friday.
The entire 4” air intake tube will be wrapped and keep it in place with the Silver insulation tape. I opted for Silver tape instead of the Gold to keep with the OEM style.
Intake tube insulation and powder coating will reduce engine bay temp Greatly like it did on the Comptech TL.
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06-13-2019, 06:43 AM
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^
I think what's getting 'lost in translation', on our Ukrainian friend, is the word Sebring?
Sebring = The color Sebring Silver on an S2000.
I think what's getting 'lost in translation', on our Ukrainian friend, is the word Sebring?
Sebring = The color Sebring Silver on an S2000.
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06-13-2019, 08:08 AM
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It’s all that radiation I received near Chernobyl from conception to 4 y/o before we legally immigrated to the States before the wall fell.
Been missing you Zeta..
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06-13-2019, 08:56 AM
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aerogel! that's crazy stuff, I just saw Neil DeGrasse Tyson show a sample he had on one of his Startalk videos. It looks so creepy. Post pics when you get it. Is it pliable? How do you secure it?
06-13-2019, 01:24 PM
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I’m using industrial aerogel. It’s aerogel impregnated fiberglass. Making it very pliable. I will secure it Gold Insulation tape.
The original aerogel is very fragile and wicks moisture from the air, with wouldn’t be useful in the purpose.
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06-13-2019, 01:33 PM
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Just realized I’ve been on here for 12 years!
I was going to order BC Racing dampers and insane shafts this week, but dealing with these heat issues takes priority.
My wife is asking if I could make the Comptech TL run on E85. She is impressed with the results on the Rotrex TL.
Due to the Comptech having no continuous cooling system, E85 would get rid of the unburnt fuel smell(currently running not lean).
English will tune it to perfection, and the fuel will continuously keep the engine cooler by 104F.
For this project, I would need somewhere in the ballpark of 550cc injectors? E85 compatible fuel pump. The stock fuel lines should be good for 550whp(ish) so they can be stock?
Would I need to upgrade any other components of the fuel system?
I was going to order BC Racing dampers and insane shafts this week, but dealing with these heat issues takes priority.
My wife is asking if I could make the Comptech TL run on E85. She is impressed with the results on the Rotrex TL.
Due to the Comptech having no continuous cooling system, E85 would get rid of the unburnt fuel smell(currently running not lean).
English will tune it to perfection, and the fuel will continuously keep the engine cooler by 104F.
For this project, I would need somewhere in the ballpark of 550cc injectors? E85 compatible fuel pump. The stock fuel lines should be good for 550whp(ish) so they can be stock?
Would I need to upgrade any other components of the fuel system?
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06-16-2019, 10:00 PM
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Silver heat tape instead of gold due to OEM look.
Filling up the mugs for Cars and coffee.
Refueling on my favorite fuel E85 at Jays Garage in Portland(They have 89% E85). The next nearest E85 station is in East Seattle where the Audi dealership.
So we went to see the other E85 Chevron station
After applying Aerogel, the temps are consistently cooler, much cooler.
Packed the Type-S with laptop/Hondata, backpack, spare tire/jack, 12 gallons of E85, full tank of E85, x2 gallons Water, two jackets, umbrella, lots of tools.
Wanted to put some test time on the car with the current mods.
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