Acura TL Type S turbo kit build and install for spade0968 by jandr
06-03-2011, 02:40 PM
#42
As for transmission, along side the 6-speeds & the base 5AT, I don't think it can in comparison. For one, there's a 135Mph governor on it for some reason & is something I hope Rodney can remove; otherwise, a 400whp turbo won't do cars like mine any good. I also haven't heard the RL tranny being quite as durable as the rest, so I am a little worried that 400whp+ might really shed a good deal of life off it unless it can be improved to handle the power without too much worry.
Just mainly my observation from past threads in the forum. I may be not giving the tranny enough credit or over thinking it, but us 5AT TL-S guys are already at a slower pace compared to the 6Spd base guys with the transmission.
Which is why my first post is what it is. I'd love to be proved wrong & I'd love to see a 5AT Type-S hold just as much power as the car that was running 500+. I just think the RL tranny & it's governor may become a bit of a hurdle.
Edit*
Just saw Spade's post on Rodney removing the limiter. That's fantastic news.
Please let me know if that sort of thing can be applied to any other 5AT without anything more. I also noticed that that car seemed to pull really well once the speedo tipped 100.
Last edited by Rick_TL-S; 06-03-2011 at 02:45 PM.
06-03-2011, 03:06 PM
#43
Instructor
I'd say $8K will get you started if you do everything yourself.
I'm into it for at least $12K but that includes a clutch, ECU, methanol injection, boost controller, wideband gauge, custom exhaust and about 5 iterations of a turbo filter/intake.
Then there's a need for suspension, wheels and tires.
Then a lift to put in the clutch and suspension.
Then a mac mini - factory nav integration to do constant datalogging and instant access to the ECU.
Probably brakes next....
and on
and on ......
I do throw a CEL but it's a delta response of my primary and secondary o2 sensors. Nothing major and it only occurs randomly. When I have my carputer installed, I'll just reset it with the OT-2. Another thing I forgot to add to the list of things I got.
I'm into it for at least $12K but that includes a clutch, ECU, methanol injection, boost controller, wideband gauge, custom exhaust and about 5 iterations of a turbo filter/intake.
Then there's a need for suspension, wheels and tires.
Then a lift to put in the clutch and suspension.
Then a mac mini - factory nav integration to do constant datalogging and instant access to the ECU.
Probably brakes next....
and on
and on ......
I do throw a CEL but it's a delta response of my primary and secondary o2 sensors. Nothing major and it only occurs randomly. When I have my carputer installed, I'll just reset it with the OT-2. Another thing I forgot to add to the list of things I got.
That is about what I would expect... So, where in Cali do I go =D
06-03-2011, 03:12 PM
#44
I don't understand the desire to exceed 135 mph. 135 is very fast and unsafe not to mention instant jail time. I have pushed 155 a few times but never with the SC or turbo. If you can't get in front of someone by 100-120 there is no reason to take it to 155 or faster since the car will pull 170+ with FI. I know my name is hi speed but exceeding the speed limit by almost 100 mph is very scary. Your covering 1/2 miles every 23 seconds, the brakes go into insta-fade and anyone or thing you hit means your likely dead.
06-03-2011, 03:21 PM
#45
Instructor
I don't understand the desire to exceed 135 mph. 135 is very fast and unsafe not to mention instant jail time. I have pushed 155 a few times but never with the SC or turbo. If you can't get in front of someone by 100-120 there is no reason to take it to 155 or faster since the car will pull 170+ with FI. I know my name is hi speed but exceeding the speed limit by almost 100 mph is very scary. Your covering 1/2 miles every 23 seconds, the brakes go into insta-fade and anyone or thing you hit means your likely dead.
06-03-2011, 04:31 PM
#46
I don't understand the desire to exceed 135 mph. 135 is very fast and unsafe not to mention instant jail time. I have pushed 155 a few times but never with the SC or turbo. If you can't get in front of someone by 100-120 there is no reason to take it to 155 or faster since the car will pull 170+ with FI. I know my name is hi speed but exceeding the speed limit by almost 100 mph is very scary. Your covering 1/2 miles every 23 seconds, the brakes go into insta-fade and anyone or thing you hit means your likely dead.
Perhaps I'm just used to watching races down here where a 40/60-120Mph run would be done in the blink of an eye for some cars. My run against a Z would have been boring if all we did was 40-100 rolls; dead even all the time.
06-03-2011, 05:25 PM
#47
The TL is not made for that kind of speed. The difference between 100 and 135 or 155 is a lot in stopping distance and danger. The car rides higher on the suspension (less weight and traction on the tires ) the faster you go, any little mistake or part failure is more dangerous. Are you able to get in front of the Z by taking it to 135 if your neck and neck at 100? I understand the only way to win against more powerful cars in a stock TL is to take it faster than their willing to go but the risk is bigger than you think. Also most people i have run with back off before 135 anyway.
06-03-2011, 10:43 PM
#48
The TL is not made for that kind of speed. The difference between 100 and 135 or 155 is a lot in stopping distance and danger. The car rides higher on the suspension (less weight and traction on the tires ) the faster you go, any little mistake or part failure is more dangerous. Are you able to get in front of the Z by taking it to 135 if your neck and neck at 100? I understand the only way to win against more powerful cars in a stock TL is to take it faster than their willing to go but the risk is bigger than you think. Also most people i have run with back off before 135 anyway.
I'm not really going to get into this kind of argument, tbh. It's obvious the governor can be removed now thanks to the tune, & that's all I'm happy about.
Last edited by Rick_TL-S; 06-03-2011 at 10:46 PM.
06-03-2011, 11:08 PM
#49
Burning Brakes
fast to someone could be slow for others, glad 135mph is being fixed and there are places that people could go past that and be safe about it, but in all reality if you speed over 100 anyway you r already putting a risk so obviously we all know the risk and choose to take that risk! we are all grown in here and lecturing someone on how dangerous speeding is, is the last thing anyone in a turbo thread wants to hear!! sry just my quik 2 cents about it
06-04-2011, 03:13 AM
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06-04-2011, 04:21 AM
#51
As for transmission, along side the 6-speeds & the base 5AT, I don't think it can in comparison. For one, there's a 135Mph governor on it for some reason & is something I hope Rodney can remove; otherwise, a 400whp turbo won't do cars like mine any good. I also haven't heard the RL tranny being quite as durable as the rest, so I am a little worried that 400whp+ might really shed a good deal of life off it unless it can be improved to handle the power without too much worry.
Just mainly my observation from past threads in the forum. I may be not giving the tranny enough credit or over thinking it, but us 5AT TL-S guys are already at a slower pace compared to the 6Spd base guys with the transmission.
Which is why my first post is what it is. I'd love to be proved wrong & I'd love to see a 5AT Type-S hold just as much power as the car that was running 500+. I just think the RL tranny & it's governor may become a bit of a hurdle.
Edit*
Just saw Spade's post on Rodney removing the limiter. That's fantastic news.
Please let me know if that sort of thing can be applied to any other 5AT without anything more. I also noticed that that car seemed to pull really well once the speedo tipped 100.
Just mainly my observation from past threads in the forum. I may be not giving the tranny enough credit or over thinking it, but us 5AT TL-S guys are already at a slower pace compared to the 6Spd base guys with the transmission.
Which is why my first post is what it is. I'd love to be proved wrong & I'd love to see a 5AT Type-S hold just as much power as the car that was running 500+. I just think the RL tranny & it's governor may become a bit of a hurdle.
Edit*
Just saw Spade's post on Rodney removing the limiter. That's fantastic news.
Please let me know if that sort of thing can be applied to any other 5AT without anything more. I also noticed that that car seemed to pull really well once the speedo tipped 100.
06-04-2011, 05:34 AM
#52
I dont think anyone gives the 5AT any credit when it comes to being able to handle double the factory power levels. My car had 119,000 miles on it when I went turbo and that was with the original trans. I put a little over 9,000 miles on the car since the turbo and the trans still performs like it did when it rolled off the lot in late 2003. Well, actually better since switching to a type F fluid.
06-05-2011, 11:39 PM
#54
Suzuka Master
My .02 cents. Although I am all for high performance and absolutely love the improvements that have been done by J&R. Increasing HP levels and the acceleration is one thing, but by removing the speed governor J&R has made a crucial legal error. When.........not if a user of this ECU is involved in a high speed accident in excess of what the car was designed for and governed for from the factory they will be in a world of hurt. legal suicide. This could potentially be a business ending liability. Please tell my this is a corporation and at least he may be personally shielded. Sometimes its smarter to not give the people what they want.
06-06-2011, 01:00 AM
#55
Legally, J&R would not be responsible. Speed limiter is regulated through the manufacturer, not the government. At those high speeds, a wing spoiler is needed. Almost like saying that if I turbo my car and get an extra 100whp, and end up crashing my car, that it is the maker of the turbo that is responsible, which is completely untrue.
06-06-2011, 01:27 AM
#56
Suzuka Master
who removed the speed governor? who allowed the excessive speed to be achieved? its a slam dunk. believe me much larger companies have been brought to their knees from less
06-06-2011, 05:22 AM
#57
2nd, what a retarded argument & part of why this country's legal system can be a joke.
"Your honor, it's not my fault I did 150mph in my TL. It's JandR's. If I was doing 135mph, this would have been sooo much different."
06-06-2011, 07:29 AM
#58
No, no, no. YOU installed the ECU. YOU "allowed" the excessive speed to be reached. Did J&R force the ECU down your throat?
It's this exact mentality that is killing America.
06-06-2011, 07:46 AM
#59
Unfortunately, I have to agree with Pohljm.
Everyone is right that morally we are all responsible for the speed we drive and having the factory limit lifted and taking advantage of it is totally our responsibility.
But if this were to happen to you and you were facing jail time vs not based on the speed limiter, most if not all of us will take the advice of a lawyer and go after the reason you could drive that fast. Morality isn't held in much regard in our country and that is what is bringing America down.
Everyone is right that morally we are all responsible for the speed we drive and having the factory limit lifted and taking advantage of it is totally our responsibility.
But if this were to happen to you and you were facing jail time vs not based on the speed limiter, most if not all of us will take the advice of a lawyer and go after the reason you could drive that fast. Morality isn't held in much regard in our country and that is what is bringing America down.
06-06-2011, 08:00 AM
#60
Three Wheelin'
Add in quotations "Track use only"
Look at how many products made for "track use" get used on the streets..
In big bold letters somewhere, this should greatly reduce any liability to JandR. Which I'm pretty sure they have something like this covered anyway..
Look at how many products made for "track use" get used on the streets..
In big bold letters somewhere, this should greatly reduce any liability to JandR. Which I'm pretty sure they have something like this covered anyway..
06-06-2011, 08:18 AM
#61
I see what pohljm is saying, but that argument will never hold up i court. Do you know how many "tuners" are available for trucks, and gm cars. They do everything from changing the speedometer for tire size to eliminating the speed governor.
The speed limiter has been removed for track purpose only. It is very possible that the TL that is being run on a road course could be reaching 135+ (I was hitting 110 in a stock TL on my local track, and it is one of the slower tracks around).
The speed limiter has been removed for track purpose only. It is very possible that the TL that is being run on a road course could be reaching 135+ (I was hitting 110 in a stock TL on my local track, and it is one of the slower tracks around).
06-06-2011, 08:54 AM
#62
Unfortunately, I have to agree with Pohljm.
Everyone is right that morally we are all responsible for the speed we drive and having the factory limit lifted and taking advantage of it is totally our responsibility.
But if this were to happen to you and you were facing jail time vs not based on the speed limiter, most if not all of us will take the advice of a lawyer and go after the reason you could drive that fast. Morality isn't held in much regard in our country and that is what is bringing America down.
Everyone is right that morally we are all responsible for the speed we drive and having the factory limit lifted and taking advantage of it is totally our responsibility.
But if this were to happen to you and you were facing jail time vs not based on the speed limiter, most if not all of us will take the advice of a lawyer and go after the reason you could drive that fast. Morality isn't held in much regard in our country and that is what is bringing America down.
06-06-2011, 09:08 AM
#64
But if this were to happen to you and you were facing jail time vs not based on the speed limiter, most if not all of us will take the advice of a lawyer and go after the reason you could drive that fast. Morality isn't held in much regard in our country and that is what is bringing America down.
06-06-2011, 09:45 AM
#65
Burning Brakes
will not hold, its real simple you sell the ECU clearly stating for ""OFF ROAD USE ONLY""", then JnR is cleared!! solved!!!
06-10-2011, 02:13 AM
#68
Burning Brakes
There is nothing I love to do more than to off road in my TL-S. The nyc roads are perfect for off roading as there are 1 foot deep potholes everywhere, and I have already encountered some extra bad ones that popped one of my tires and made a venn diagram bubble in another. OFF ROADING IS FUN
07-04-2011, 03:42 PM
#69
got damnit! sumava bich! y do you have to make this thread and comsume my thoughts with turbo charging my car and consuming all my imaginary money....
ur making my recently delivered HFPC look just silly
ur making my recently delivered HFPC look just silly
07-05-2011, 01:51 PM
#70
My .02 cents. Although I am all for high performance and absolutely love the improvements that have been done by J&R. Increasing HP levels and the acceleration is one thing, but by removing the speed governor J&R has made a crucial legal error. When.........not if a user of this ECU is involved in a high speed accident in excess of what the car was designed for and governed for from the factory they will be in a world of hurt. legal suicide. This could potentially be a business ending liability. Please tell my this is a corporation and at least he may be personally shielded. Sometimes its smarter to not give the people what they want.
07-05-2011, 01:59 PM
#71
and in all reality, *if you are a good driver* doing 135+ is not that hard or unsafe. modern highways, specifically the Eisenhower system, was designed for a driver of avg competence and an avg vehicle could easily and safely maintain 110 mph. speed laws have changed since then to help gas consumption, not to help safety like we view it today.
07-07-2011, 01:13 AM
#74
Instructor
Update, turbo system is being installed and should be completed by this weekend. Rodney will either post pics or I'll post the pics NLT Sunday. Tuning will follow, along with video of the dyno. Rodney will also update the zine.....
07-07-2011, 05:47 PM
#76
Instructor
I don't think I'll be able to make it. I'm on vacation that week and I'm picking up the car sometime towards the end of July or the first week of august..
07-16-2011, 12:38 AM
#78
Instructor
07-16-2011, 06:40 PM
#80
Instructor