indecisivefool

you call BS on everything LOL!!!!

indecisivefool

his S2000 had a vortech supercharger 7psi( I loved that car)
his Nsx has gone faster all-motor but his holding back because you guys will call BS lol!!

I've been friends with Cb169 since 2001 hes not going to waste his time posting lies like some people. Hes been my #1 shop to goto since I been racing hondas

ohh and heres the 13.3 time slip of my Cl-s6

NAiL05

I didnt see the vortech sc part until now. I just realized he edited his post. I am still doubtful about his 04 TL having obx headers...THe only ones I have seen are on second gens. Plus our manifolds are casted into the head.

indecisivefool

I dont know who lied to you but the manifolds are NOT casted into the head

hey how do you like that ct shortshifter

NAiL05

All we have are tubes that run out...The main header structure you normally see is casted in the head hence why the OBX will not work. Thats why I only have seen them on Second gens or for sale for them.

The CT SS is nice. I like it.

Opel

dude...3G TL 04-08...DOES NOT HAVE TRADITIONAL STYLE HEADERS.... exhaust runners are integrated in the head, merging into ONE outlet outta the head...CATS ARE BOLTED ON THE HEADS DIRECTLY.

2.1 60'-14.2 @98 mph
04-6MT, CAI, BENT EXHAUST VALVES (all 12 of them), and ME

indecisivefool

[quote=Opel;11284504]dude...3G TL 04-08...DOES NOT HAVE TRADITIONAL STYLE HEADERS.... exhaust runners are integrated in the head, merging into ONE outlet outta the head...CATS ARE BOLTED ON THE HEADS DIRECTLY.

ok u right it does not have TRADITIONAL STYLE HEADERS.....
just because the exhaust runners merge to one it does mean he cant have headers.
I have a 2005 TL so yes the cats are bolted to the head. I agree

BUT what you guys dont know is that OBX does make a header were you can delete all your cats(even the ones bolted to the head) hmmm... maybe there for 06 accord v6
hint* hint*
cb169 will have to talk about the header I dont know what he orderd but i know he got it to work

Opel

ok, obx can make that, anyone can make that, its just a piece of pipe...but it is not a header...thats all. about deleting cats...man, thats history

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Here my best times to date...

DONE ON 7/3/09
WEATHER: ABOUT 85 DEGREES
STOCK TL-S WHEELS with 15 psi TIRE PRESSURE



**MY TIMES ARE IN THE LEFT LANE (Black Car) ON BOTH SLIPS**


I was running against my buddies MODDED MS3 (MazdaSpeed3) (Silver Car)


The LEFT time slip: (Best R/T & 60')

R/T = .565
60' = 2.174
1/4 = 14.18
Trap = 100.36

The RIGHT time slip: (Best 1/4 time)

R/T = .714
60' = 2.192
1/4 = 14.15
Trap = 100.29


P.S. I plan to take it down to "THE ROCK" (Rockingham Dragway, NC)....I should break 13's on this track...we'll see...

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PM me if you guys decide to roll down to the ROCK...I would love to join you...

DAYUM...I came pretty close to the best 60' time with a 2.17...

Sonnick

13.7 @103 sounds about right for those mods. CAI/OBX header (PC deletes and Jpipe in 1), and UDP. Trap sounds a smidge high without a catback, but the PCs do a lot.

cbr169

the 03 accord has the same type of head as the tl's, I guess i should call them pre cat delete as you guys call them on here, I bought the OBX header $360) set up for the 03 V6 accord and fabricated the j pipe to work on my 04 tl, there was no way in hell I was going to pay $650+ for a j pipe and 2 pieces of pipe's that everyone refers to as pre cat delete pipe, I'm surprized no one makes the whole header setup for like $300 because they are alot easier to make than the tubular styled headers found on the 03 tl's

cbr169

those times must seem fast to you so......I'll take that as a compliment....thanx

Teteux

cbr169,

Where did you buy that header? 13.7@103 is very impressive for a big TL

phee

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and thats why i call bullshit.

ps. where is that video youve been promising of your 12 sec run?

phee

iTrader: (5)

i was calling bullshit on the header.

indecisivefool

well there is my All-Motor slip from a year ago
And I found out why this guy wont post my video on youtube(because hes a HATER!!) I since bought a canon sx1 just to post videos for you nonbelievers

but my fault on the slip I was so happy that I lost it LOL!!! I know the car will do a 12.8 or faster

indecisivefool

Keep in mind guys this is his FIRST + second pass with the TL

cbr169

here's the bullshit, keep in mind the downpipe needs to be modified to work on the 04 tl's.

http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/OBX-0...4506.m20.l1116

Opel

thats not a good design......the reason why the stock Jpipe is the way it is on the TL, its so it can be equal length...that fake OBX thing isnt equal

NAiL05

Props on modding the OBX deletes to work. But as Opel said that design is inefficient.

indecisivefool

good enough to run a 13.7 second pass ever

it is cheap header but works

EL19

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OBX makes a precat delete/J Pipe combo for the 7th gen accord and we all know their stuff fits the 3rd gen TL. I was there when he put it on. The quality may be questionable but the performance isnt.

As for the 2sk that thing was dumb fast supercharged.

No bullshit phee. I was there when he ran it and all of his other cars. All of the times are legit.

phee

iTrader: (5)

not denying the times, they are possible to hit. i called bullshit on the "header" because a true header has collector pipes that come off of the manifold, what he used are cat deletes and an uneven j-pip that causes 3 cylinders to work harder than they should.

congrats on the times, but the verbiage was incorrect and i called them on it.

it has since been cleared up that it wasnt truly a header and all should be well now.

if it doesnt make sense, im gunna call BS

phee

iTrader: (5)

these are good numbers, i know you have head work and are working on a equal length header for your car. do you have a dyno sheet?

indecisivefool

nope no dyno just 1/4 mile times but I will say the car was Built by CBr169 (Asian Imports of glendale MD)

cbr169

good enuff design to get this big boat down to a 13.7 not to mention $360 shipped, maybe some of you rocket scientist should make ur own headers and put it in production

cbr169

By the way what is the fastest 1/4 mile time recorded for a 04 TL?
NA and force induction

Inaccurate

I think the quickest FI is "OMP Prelude".

OMP Prelude's pics (click here)

cbr169

WOW so the fastest NA is only 13.70 and the fastest force induction is 13.1, seems like not much people take these cars to the track to often, stay tuned as I will be breaking all those records very shortly and keep you guys posted with all my mods

Opel

my friend ran 13.7 at 103 with no mufflers and a CAI... this was a Type S....didnt even have full bolt ons..

you guys have to understand, that results vary from track to track, and its not entirely the cars.

cbr169

hey Opel, thats alot of power ur putting down, I guess you never had a chance to take it to the track?

Opel

i did, a week ago...the clutch was slipping as if it was made outta butter...i couldn't even burn out the tires...slipping the whole way down the track in every gear...and i dont mean slipping in shifts or top end..i mean from anywhere i mashed the throttle, it went straight to redline....i was disgusted lol

i tried bleeding it, warming it up, riding it, as i was staging...no fucking luck man.

i did 2 passes. same shit...couldnm't even pick up 90 mph...people thought i couldn't catch traction...lol i wish that were the case

now smth tells me, it didnt even put all the power down on the dyno lol at least on high end, because it was only a few months ago.

if ya wonder, i have a Spec stage III 6 puck ceramic disc wit stock flywheel...but it can't hold the power

phee

iTrader: (5)

^i think its your clutch disc thats defective. how long have you had it? the oem one sucks, but it seems to last the longest

Opel

its not the disc....its lack of clamping force from PP...it doesnt take much slipping to glaze and heat spot the PP and flywheel, all due to lack of clamping force...and there u ruin any usefull friction... ceramic disc will outlast our stock organic disc made outta fucking patatoe skin... our stock organic disc lasts (and it seems like it lasts) because once it heats up and fries up, it can't even shave anymore...it just keeps slipping...everything just becomes dull with few slips... a stock setup can no way hold my power

ive had it since about janurary, it worked fine...but as i went up in power it got worse of course...once that ceramic disc slipps through...PP and Flywheel are toast and cannot offer any grip anymore....thats just how it is.

phee

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i notice that my shit doesnt grab good unless i "burn it in" if you would.

Black_05_TL_6SP

At this point, I have to assume most 6MT guys have at least looked at and either done or contemplated doing the slave cylinder mod. What I want to know, has anyone done this and been able to make it to the track to see what their time is? Does anyone have a before and after of this?

I have to think that this would shave off .2-.3 secs off the overall time. The delay caused by the OEM slave cylinder was crazy! This mod would allow for better R/T, 60' (if you can get traction) and overall trap speed/time.

Opel, what about you, did you ever get to do a before/after? Did you notice in the difference? To me, it feels like a good drop in time (relative I know) when shifting from one gear to the next quickly. I know under normally driving it is not as apparent, but during the spirited shifts, you can really tell the difference in shift time (I really should say engagement time).

cbr169

I have not noticed anything funny with my clutch engagement, when I come off the clutch it engages right away with no delay, when I snatch 2nd gear both front wheels spins and puts the power down right away, I know the all wheel drive guys uses like a little jet in the hydraulic line to help slip the clutch out preventing a harsh engagement that cause drive train damage, I see no reason on doing that slave cylinder modd, maybe some guys are taking to long to come of the clutch, as far as Spec clutch's I had one in my NSX and hated it, no matter how good u are driving stick I would always smell the clutch burning driving it in and out of my shop or in traffic, I have NEVER heard anything good about SPEC clutch's only negative things

NAiL05

Too bad no one makes a carbon kevlar disk for our cars...That would be something. Might have to look into that with a better PP for sure. I am due for a change soon and still doing research...sucks no one makes a good system for our cars. Last thing I need is something going wrong after taking apart the trans in my garage.

cbr169

updated track times on road race tires
NA
ET 13.68
MPH 102
60ft 2.0

65 shot
ET 12.8
MPH 112.95
60ft 1.9

has anyone gone faster in a 3rd gen or any gen