White94Cobra

So I went with the 5AT because that's what my wife wanted (and I would have had to wait a month for a 6MT). If I were to add the AEM CAI, would that be enough to make up for the performance difference between them?

PPLAPW

Thats a negative......

EternaLlx

def not. People with supercharged 5ATs only the 1/4 times of wat the 6MT gets. Sometimes on a really good start they are only .1 or .2 seconds faster

joed40

?????????

againstallodds1

AEM intake, comptech catback, and UR pulley and you will be close.

joed40

I do believe if you throw in driver experience or in expereience it won't really matter!

BustedJack

in 1/4 Track run Automatic Transmission > Manual Transmission
in 1/4 Track run Rear Wheel Drive > Front Wheel Drive
that is why the Domestic Automatic Transmission V8s own at the track

EternaLlx

Only if it was a 5 speed manual compare to a 5 speed auto. because of computer shifting at the exact rpms everytime compare to the driver making a few hundred rpm difference on each shift causing it to fall a little bit out of the powerband. But with 5AT to a 6MT, with the 6MT's lower gears cause of the extra gear its easier for the engine to get up to speed.

Also we're talking about the TLs times.. y u bring in rwd and fwd and american muscles ?

BukvaMan

90 % of the guys cant shift that fast anyways to prove the performance difference and i did have the six speed for a year and a half and belive me this car isnt really made to be shifted quick anyways.....

subinf

i dont think you would notice the difference between the two

BLACKURA_NY

iTrader: (6)

Theres something very crucial, in my opinion, different btwn the 2 transmissions.

RSB & Brakes. The 6MT handles and stops MUCHHHH better than the 5AT. Speed wise, the 6MT should always be faster (better gear ratio) and like somebody said, the driver shifts when he wants, plus if im not mistaken, which i might be, MT are lighter too.

subinf

Are there numbers out there comparing the stopping distances between the 6spd and the Auto? I havent searched (and I hope Trance doesnt e-slap me) but just wondering if your post is fact or theoretical

xedap1998

the stopping distance for a 5 speeds auto is worse than a toyota camry.....if you dont believe me do a search....every time i look at our discs non brembo...i get embarassed because they look so small...park next to my friend G35 coupe regular version and a 330i with the sport package and their disc breaks look about 1.5 times larger in diameter compare to my 5 speeds auto...same size as a v6 accord...there is about 15 feet different in 60-0 breaking from non aspec to aspec with brembo..and larger wheels..i believe 138 for auto and 122ft for aspec...lexus all under 117 feet...stock

xedap1998

i found the spec on the TL auto/non brembo compare to brembo/a-spec
http://www.motortrend.com/features/p...fications.html
page 2
2004 Acura TL TL A- SPEC
0-60 mph, sec 6.0 5.7
1/4 mile 14.44 @ 98.17 14.25 @ 97.81
Braking, 60-0, f t 141v 119
Slalom, mph 62.5 66.1
Skidpad, g 0.77 .83

Even minivan have shorter breaking distance than stock TL break...maybe it has to do with the cheap EL42 tires...i think there is a part where it mention non-sticking rubbers

FightingTL

And yet I found this 60-0 Breaking Distance : 130 ft (Auto non-aspec)


Es330: 60-0 Breaking Distance : 142 ft

2005 Camry: 60-0 Breaking Distance : 144 ft

2007 Camry: 60-0 Breaking Distance : 140 ft



I think people should actually search before they start talking about which car stops better than the TL.

FightingTL

G35 coupe brembo: 117 ft.

TL A spec: 119 ft.

Talk about a blow out!

TL brakes: 11.8" front, 11.1" rear

G35 brakes: 12.6" front, 12.1" rear

So, JUST SO MUCH BIGGER. Less than 10% bigger in the front and less than 10% bigger in the rear. Yeah total blow out. Impressive numbers huh?

So not only were you wrong about the Camry stopping faster, but you made it sound like the G35 brakes were so much bigger when they are clearly not.

Jrbn2g04AcuraTL

Is this true?

EternaLlx

with just the supercharger... no drag slicks, exhaust, pro cats etc

CSI

Jrbn2g04AcuraTL

Are you sure? We're talking about 60HP extra ..... Can anybody back up Eternal on this? I just really wanna know if this is true, SC aint worth if for AT then..my

Meek32v6

iTrader: (7)

Seems like a lot of people down play the AT and the TL together. I personally think its GREAT! Wish it had somemore aftermarket backup but if I was trying to fully mod a AC i would have gotten a TSX or RSX Anywayz..I think you will be happy with the intake. People say it still won't measure up to the 6MT but close. I dont know how many people you guys get challenged by on the road but the TL holds its ground pretty nicely My thing is Im happy I can do this stock in an 5AT without anymods besides brakes.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f0NqMcuINe4

05TLTony

Nice burnout Meek. Did you have your E-brake on?

xedap1998

FIGHTING TL
I was refering to the number of the non aspec break...i have 5 speeds auto..non brembo....141 ft and 142 for camry if you look at it again..remember TL is a sport sedan....and the handling # for stock non aspec is nothing impressive...road handling is same with camry ...not bashing the TL man..i have one...

photopro30

I don't know about you guys, but I own a 06 TL 6 speed. I test drove both the auto and obviously the 6 speed and the difference was so pronounced that if the Tl only came in auto, I would have bought the G35 instead. The 6 speed DESTROYED the auto in every way. The auto felt like my old Infinity I30. The 6 speed burned the tires from any point in first gear, all the way through 2nd. There isn't a pulley and cold air mod that is going to make up that kind of difference. The automatic needs the blower to make up that kind of difference. The 6 speed is just geared way more for performance. The auto is so my grandmother can drive it. Seriously, when I test drove the auto, I said to myself, this this car doesn't go anywhere. I was not impressed. I feel bad for anyone that owns the auto. And someone said the 6 speed can't be shifted quick? No way. Ask the guy in the 6 speed Z28 that lost by a car if I lost any ground while shifting. I have raced a few cars in my class and a few that should have killed me. A 94 Z28 6 speed LT1 with a hypertech programer and exhaust lost by a car as I just mentioned. 2002 Mustange gt lost by like 10 cars. Infinity G35, very close if not identical. The final chapter of victory, much to my surprise was a 2002 TL auto, CAI, exhaust, pully AND 75 hp NOS and I still won by a car. The 06 TL 6 speed is simply amazing. I can't believe its a 6 cyl.

againstallodds1

https://acurazine.com/forums/showthread.php?t=133285
This is a very good driver driving a 6mt TL.
https://acurazine.com/forums/showpos...6&postcount=21
So everyone can see that it is not really close.
Its reality.
RYAN97812 ran a 13.85 with supercharger and exhaust.
I had supercharger, drags and procats and ran 13.75.
Im sure RYAN97812 would be able to pull 13.5s with drags on.

subinf

Paragraphs would do you wonders.

Second, you think maybe the guy in the 6spd Camaro lost ground while shifting?

Why do you feel bad for people in Autos? Not everyone buys for performance

Was the Mustang an auto or just a horrible driver?

Meek32v6

iTrader: (7)

Thanx.Yeh, I had it on so I could hold first longer. Usually I can feather the accelerator more in first but the tires were too cold when I did that burnout.

FightingTL

I looked at it again and found that 141 you quote but I also find 130 all over the place for the NON Aspec auto TL.

I still find 144 for the camry and for the new camry 140.

You are bashing the TL without actually getting accurate numbers. I say this only because if you had done something more than just try to make it seem like a camry was a better stopping car you would have found that there are more 130 numbers floating around for the TL and 144+ for the camry.

Beyond all that, your first post because complained that the TL is much worse in braking than the camry, and now you're saying that the TL is 141 vs. 142 for the camry? If the TL is much worse it would have a long stop distance, EVEN if we take your 141 as the way it is you're still wrong.


Im not saying the TL brakes or handles super in stock shape, it doesnt, but dont start spewing some bs.

FightingTL

My problem is that I drove the auto and 6 speed. 6 speed definitely pulled better in the straights. I then drove an aspec auto and decided that it handled better than I expected.

I went home and drove my c5 m6 and laughed at the thought that Id take a 6 speed TL over auto because the 6 speed was faster.

By the way, I came from an I35 and the auto TL mauled it above 30. (Yes I had to test it before I traded in)

(Might I add my I35 ran 14.6@95 bone stock)

EternaLlx

This thread should be closed... its compeletely going off topic

Meek32v6

iTrader: (7)

HAHAHA! back on topic...
Overall performance but it should make you feel better

GNN60GT500

1. Burning the tires in every gear is not a good thing- it means your car has poor traction, and if its not hooking up, its not fast. PERIOD.

2. 2002 Mustang GT by 10 cars? You beat a car with more hp, more tq, and about the same weight by 10 cars?

The difference between the two cars in my garage and ANY TL is so pronounced, I cant beleive someone could think that any TL is a fast car-

The supercharged ones can be quick- but I have yet to see a FAST TL in a drag race-

Of course this is fine, because if I wanted a fast car, I would have never bought a TL- The TL does exactly what Acura designed it to do- be a comfortable daily driver-

TL racer- you crack me up