'08 TL Type S Rotrex supercharger build
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Not bad at all. The power curve is better than I thought it would be. How is yours set up, does it use the bypass valves to stay at a more or less constant boost regardless of rpm?
Also, as far as superchargers go, this is a HUGE upgrade compared to the crappy undersized and inefficient Comptech setup. If it could be used without losing the AC it would be a very good alternative to the comptech and especially when you consider how much more efficient it will be at high boost in the future over a roots style.
Also, as far as superchargers go, this is a HUGE upgrade compared to the crappy undersized and inefficient Comptech setup. If it could be used without losing the AC it would be a very good alternative to the comptech and especially when you consider how much more efficient it will be at high boost in the future over a roots style.
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Edit: no, its stated in the pics Custom 297 duration / .427 lift actual @ .050
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I don't know if he's on stock cams, but I would like to know. Judging by the bad ass NA build previously it might not be but I'm sure he will be in here soon enough to let us know.
To be honest, there's no reason to upgrade the cams on the TL for boosted applications where <1,000hp is the goal.
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Car would see nearly 500 on 10lbs, let alone 20+ with wastegate regulation "turned off" with a different vac port setting on the Synapse 50mm unit. I'm going to go out on a limb and project 600+
Edit: no, its stated in the pics Custom 297 duration / .427 lift actual @ .050
Edit: no, its stated in the pics Custom 297 duration / .427 lift actual @ .050
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Was that left over from your NA build? 600whp should be possible with under 20lbs assuming the compressor is large enough. It looks like you have plenty intercooler for the job. The weird thing about boosted applications is power gain is not always linear. My car picks up just over 100hp from 24-27psi. It might be the effective compression climbing. Anyway, looking forward to your high boost numbers and of course any street encounters. How does it hook?
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Excellent work dude
How are you not shredding gears, drive axles and mounts? What have you strengthened in those departments?
And what flywheel / clutch are you using to engage that much power?
Car is looking sweeeeeet
Video when you can please
How are you not shredding gears, drive axles and mounts? What have you strengthened in those departments?
And what flywheel / clutch are you using to engage that much power?
Car is looking sweeeeeet
Video when you can please
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Amazing
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I have a ton of things I have been working on which are at various levels of completion. Ive been working on my first fully built motor which I have spoken of in the past, with the recent addition of a built transmission. This will allow me to up the boost with no concerns. Looking to have this done in time for/or during the 2015 summer season. Anticipating this build will show between 600 and 650 whp on the Rotrex C38-92 blower @ full boost (without spray).
- j35a8 engine block sent to/and recieved back from L.A. Sleeve for customized sleeving service (final bore matched to my Wiesco piston to wall clearance spec provided to them)
- Crank blueprinted to block and Crower billet rods with all bearing sizes finalized.
- New Rotating assembly balanced within 0.5 grams crankshaft/rods/rod bearings/pistons/piston wrist pins/clips.
- Pistons, Main bearings, and rod bearings are being sent for WPC surface treatment prior to assembly.
- MFactory straight cut (dog tooth) 3rd and 4th gear sets obtained - and also possibly being WPC treated.
- Refreshing transmission syncro's and seals.
- Enhanced design of existing motor mounts for more strength as well as custom machined 90a polyeurethane bushings
- Designing new/larger catch can system
- Powdercoated engine as well as many small engine component pieces and suspension/brakes
- Possibly a revisit of direct port nitrous my custom dual throttlebody intake manifold. It was designed to accept this, but I have not yet decided when this will happen.
Im sure there is more which isnt coming to mind. Its keeping me entertained weekly thats for sure!
As always, check my instagram account for pics and short video clips @ my Instagram <--- click
- j35a8 engine block sent to/and recieved back from L.A. Sleeve for customized sleeving service (final bore matched to my Wiesco piston to wall clearance spec provided to them)
- Crank blueprinted to block and Crower billet rods with all bearing sizes finalized.
- New Rotating assembly balanced within 0.5 grams crankshaft/rods/rod bearings/pistons/piston wrist pins/clips.
- Pistons, Main bearings, and rod bearings are being sent for WPC surface treatment prior to assembly.
- MFactory straight cut (dog tooth) 3rd and 4th gear sets obtained - and also possibly being WPC treated.
- Refreshing transmission syncro's and seals.
- Enhanced design of existing motor mounts for more strength as well as custom machined 90a polyeurethane bushings
- Designing new/larger catch can system
- Powdercoated engine as well as many small engine component pieces and suspension/brakes
- Possibly a revisit of direct port nitrous my custom dual throttlebody intake manifold. It was designed to accept this, but I have not yet decided when this will happen.
Im sure there is more which isnt coming to mind. Its keeping me entertained weekly thats for sure!
As always, check my instagram account for pics and short video clips @ my Instagram <--- click
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The car will now be twincharged (Rotrex Supercharged + Borg Warner Turbocharged) following closure of the 2015 summer season. A new rear motor mount support is being designed for turbo manifold clearance as well as new coolant share tube & thermostat relocation. A 50/50 traditional awd setup will fall in line as my next project
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The car will now be twincharged (Rotrex Supercharged + Borg Warner Turbocharged) following closure of the 2015 summer season. A new rear motor mount support is being designed for turbo manifold clearance as well as new coolant share tube & thermostat relocation. A 50/50 traditional awd setup will fall in line as my next project
I just read this in Andy's voice in my head...
Good luck with the projects and hopefully Winter doesn't stop your progress.
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Now I have to open an IG account just to see this, I hate my car junky brain
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Update:
The sleeved engine build was finished and the car has been tuned on a 9psi low boost on e85 and 93 octanes since April 15th making 502whp/440wtq on e85 and 475/410 on 93 octane. I chose not to go any higher than 9psi on 93octane. No knock was encountered, and instead, it was just my approach in trying to keep temps down. Pump gasoline burns pretty hot and causes more heatsoak than I would like.
On e85, the 6an supply and Aeromotive A340 are the limitation for making more power in my current setup. Fuel pressure begins to drop severely at 11psi of boost pressure from the Rotrex Supercharger, and in one single dyno pull ( that was logged before it was realized I was having issues with fuel pressure dropping), the car made 555whp/496wtq very early at 6100rpm and then fuel cut. So, as a measure of safety, boost was back off to 9psi and i'm now rolling around town at 502whp/440wtq on e85. I am very grateful that there is a E85 station 5 miles from work. I simply bring 35 gallons worth of Summit Racing "Race jugs" and fill them every other week! I enjoy driving the car once or twice a week to work (30mins away), and the price differential of ethanol vs. 93 just about makes up for the decreased MPG of 18mpg highway on e85 (due to 40% by volume increase in the real world - while only 30% on "paper". Pretty cool! The engine runs at super friendly operating temps, even when driving aggressively. I have yet to try a track day to see how it fares. Perhaps soon
I guess the second point I wanted to address is what I am planning to do in regards to upgrading the fuel system even further. I am in the process or converting to a full fledged 1000whp (93 AND e85) capable/compatible 10an supply fed by twin Walbro 450LPH pumps and custom hanger using the new Holley Hydramat product which is an industry replacement for a dry sump/surge tank. This will allow me to increate boost to ~18psi (estimated), thus maxing out the blower setup. This should yield well into the mid-600whp realm. Then, over this coming winter, a twin scroll T4Borg Warner 9180 turbo will be added to the mix (compound - fed by the Rotrex supercharger which will provide pre-spool low end tq) and my target for that setup is 875-950whp. Could that much power be accomplished on just a single turbo? Sure. But I want quick spool and more traction issues :P
Lastly, here is a video I recorded last night on my way to grab some dinner. I do a quick highway pull at ~4:30 into the video. The very linear (NA-Like) power band is just straight scary for passengers as we progress through the rpm range. I CANNOT WAIT to raise redline to 8k RPM in a few weeks when I receive a new (larger) pulley for the blower. Currently, the car continues to pull to redline of 7200rpm which is my reason for experimenting with 8k
The sleeved engine build was finished and the car has been tuned on a 9psi low boost on e85 and 93 octanes since April 15th making 502whp/440wtq on e85 and 475/410 on 93 octane. I chose not to go any higher than 9psi on 93octane. No knock was encountered, and instead, it was just my approach in trying to keep temps down. Pump gasoline burns pretty hot and causes more heatsoak than I would like.
On e85, the 6an supply and Aeromotive A340 are the limitation for making more power in my current setup. Fuel pressure begins to drop severely at 11psi of boost pressure from the Rotrex Supercharger, and in one single dyno pull ( that was logged before it was realized I was having issues with fuel pressure dropping), the car made 555whp/496wtq very early at 6100rpm and then fuel cut. So, as a measure of safety, boost was back off to 9psi and i'm now rolling around town at 502whp/440wtq on e85. I am very grateful that there is a E85 station 5 miles from work. I simply bring 35 gallons worth of Summit Racing "Race jugs" and fill them every other week! I enjoy driving the car once or twice a week to work (30mins away), and the price differential of ethanol vs. 93 just about makes up for the decreased MPG of 18mpg highway on e85 (due to 40% by volume increase in the real world - while only 30% on "paper". Pretty cool! The engine runs at super friendly operating temps, even when driving aggressively. I have yet to try a track day to see how it fares. Perhaps soon
I guess the second point I wanted to address is what I am planning to do in regards to upgrading the fuel system even further. I am in the process or converting to a full fledged 1000whp (93 AND e85) capable/compatible 10an supply fed by twin Walbro 450LPH pumps and custom hanger using the new Holley Hydramat product which is an industry replacement for a dry sump/surge tank. This will allow me to increate boost to ~18psi (estimated), thus maxing out the blower setup. This should yield well into the mid-600whp realm. Then, over this coming winter, a twin scroll T4Borg Warner 9180 turbo will be added to the mix (compound - fed by the Rotrex supercharger which will provide pre-spool low end tq) and my target for that setup is 875-950whp. Could that much power be accomplished on just a single turbo? Sure. But I want quick spool and more traction issues :P
Lastly, here is a video I recorded last night on my way to grab some dinner. I do a quick highway pull at ~4:30 into the video. The very linear (NA-Like) power band is just straight scary for passengers as we progress through the rpm range. I CANNOT WAIT to raise redline to 8k RPM in a few weeks when I receive a new (larger) pulley for the blower. Currently, the car continues to pull to redline of 7200rpm which is my reason for experimenting with 8k