cnwahlheim

Has anyone ever tried replacing the front stage speakers in their 3G TL while leaving the factory amplifier? I am trying to find a way to replace the harsh factory highs without spending a fortune. I also intend to sound-prep the doors and add an aftermarket sub in the trunk.

maharajamd

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The 'stickied' post right above yours. Read it thoroughly.

https://acurazine.com/forums/3g-tl-audio-bluetooth-electronics-navigation-94/3g-tl-audio-electronics-faq-605299/

cnwahlheim

Thanks, Maharajmd. I have spent many hours going through that thread, and did not come across any comments about replacing the front speakers and keeping the factory amp. Perhaps I did not read it thoroughly enough. I thought that the direct approach of asking the question I wanted answered could potentially expedite my finding the answer. I would appreciate any input from others.

maharajamd

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I believe most people would tell you to upgrade the tweeters and center channel and see how you feel. Then go from there.

pohljm

Actually the best thing to do short term would be to keep the OEM speakers and amplify those. Then when your dissatisfied with that, then upgrade the speakers. but keeping the OEM amp will not yield any acceptable results.

xxx_busa

changing the center channel ??? throw it in the trash.

AndrewA

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I did this for a while before I committed to a full speaker/amp/sub replacement. It was an improvement. I put in some infinity 1011t tweeters in place of the factory tweeters. I do wonder sometimes if the improvement was in being able to mount them so they didn't fire straight up at the windshield.

also, it took me years to figure it out, but I and others will recommend removing/disconnecting the center speaker

niebur3

Although I am going to be relocating my new tweeters from the factory spot due to their size, the factory location is not all that terrible as long as you have a soft dome rather than a metal dome tweeter. I mean, many of us have competition quality systems (kirk has 1st place trophies) utilizing this location.

xxx_busa

I'm here to tell you, I'm with Jerry on this one too. I had Phass AT28evo alnico tweeters in my pillars, and in the stock holes. A very good tweeter it is. I have many choices and the stock mounting is an easy decision.

The ZR's in the stock location, is next to perfect.

maharajamd

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Again, almost positive, but with the stock amp start with the center channel and tweeters and reevaluate.

If you're doing a new amp, then by all means, replace all speakers and remove the center channel if you want.

pohljm

there is so little material coming from the center channel its pointless really. I have upgraded so I would know! . do not put the metal dome infinity tweeters in there that you see mentioned or you will not be happy after a couple listening sessions. I have, so I would know! . learn from our experience/mistakes and do it correctly the first time.

Gregerst

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If you want your tweeters to sound even better get yourself a dash cover. It does wonders for eliminating high freq reflections.

niebur3

Man I wish you were closer so I could hear those. You have a 3-way...right? Where are your mids mounted (if you have them)?

xxx_busa

have not put the planars in just yet, Ive test mounted several times and thy're very nice....

and a dash mat is a must..........

niebur3

Beautiful! I am trying to figure out where to mount my 110's.

LS_GRINDSEASON

Can this be done on a tl 04 as well

pohljm

yes

LS_GRINDSEASON

good information

MEKO

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I come here millions of times and go back millions of time
I want to upgrade but just not sure what brand to use or what to do
I have no clue about this stuff

AZ4035

I'm pretty lost with the whole audio scene as well I really want to upgrade but I know have the know how. Someone mentioned replacing the amp and then going from there but I doubt I'll be able to figure that out myself without blowing something up. I'm trying to find a good audio spot in the NYC area so I can audit different systems but it seems there aren't much good places you can go for sound quality instead of window shaking bass systems. Can anyone recommend a good first step to attempt or know of any places in NYC where I can go and audit?

MEKO

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I was confused with many thread about audio...I just asked pohljm for help...

Sent me this link
https://acurazine.com/forums/3g-tl-audio-bluetooth-electronics-navigation-94/mild-grade-fever-854353/

I am reading it.
So much info

He started with an amp

AZ4035

^ Holy cow $450 for an amp is sorta much for what I'm shopping around for (amp-wise) I found this link today:
https://acurazine.com/forums/sponsored-sales-group-buys-10/3rd-gen-tl-pnp-amplifier-upgrade-836276/

I'mma try to drop uncald4 a PM to see if maybe he can give me a deal on that amp and a custom box enclosure.

pohljm

you can get the JL amp for way less. The amp you linked is a piece of crap that does not work.

AZ4035

I guess that's one of the reasons why the thread is closed...Maybe Ill just buy and use a regular box and throw it in the trunk somewhere I don't play golf so I don't really need all the space I guess. And as a beginner system it's a good place to start.

I was thinking of getting a JL XD600/6 to power everything, you think that'll work with the speaker configuration on our cars? Including the center channel, front tweets, door speakers, rear speakers, and a sub in the trunk?

Thanks in advance

pohljm

^^ did you read the link for the build that Meko posted? in there you can find a way to upgrade the soundsystem that is most cost effective. no reason to add amps for the rear and center channels unless your trying to maintain the 5.1 surround sound. The amp you mentioned is the same cost or more than the 700/5 that you thought was to expensive?

AZ4035

Yea I just realized that now. After some more digging around the audio section of the forum I realized good amps are going to be around that price range unless you can manage to dig up a good used one somewhere. I just skimmed the thread MEKO posted haven't delved into it yet. Finals are coming up so I'm just scouting some quick tips and stuff up to have done over the summer.

MEKO

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Ok I gave up,

Went to some shop... dads friend actually
He asked me if tweets, speakers and sub is different connection or something blah blah
He said if disturber is out of the amp... I think
speaker/sub/tweet doesn't intereact with each other?

I have no idea what I am asking

pohlm pleaaaase help me I am lost with the other thread, you used extra sub inside the trunk,and couldn't find any product number for your speakers

He is trying to find out if just changing speakers would make a difference

I asked him, can't you figure that out by looking at the amp... (I am thinking the connections) he said no

I took everything out for coils, that's why I don't want to leave these stupid speakers in there

pohljm

I would love to help you out, but I have no idea what your asking??

MEKO

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I forgot the words and sentences he used...since I have no clue

Is crossover outside the amp?
Does that sentence make sense?

I hate cars

He was probably asking if you're running active or passive.

This thread is funny. I can't believe anyone would say to upgrade the center first.

About firing the tweeters at the windshield, I was told not to a long time ago, now people say to do it. With two different sets of tweeters I had an instant improvement in staging with the tweeters on axis vs firing at the windshield. Even better with the tweeters in the kicks but that's not possible now.

ATLS_666

^ Ageed. The center channel is an illusion. Music isn't left or right, its stereo.

MEKO

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So which one is stock? Active?

ATLS_666

I kinda get the jist of what you are asking about the crossovers. I'm a bit rusty on audio but basically the tl has no external cross overs stock. It may be crossed in the speaker themselves which is a sealed unit so you can't adjust them.

When you up grade with component speakers, there is usually a crossover network supplied. If you have an aftermarket amp, you use the supplied crossover plus the one thats built into the amp together. Thats a passive crossover network.

I never ventured too far into Active territory but with active networks, you buy "raw" speakers and an external crossover and fine tune everything to your liking. Although with the technology in amps these days, you're probably able to just cross the speakers right at the amps which negates the need for a separate crossover.

pohljm

I am running passive with the component speaker manufacturer provided crossover. The amp I am running would allow eliminating that crossover and run all the speakers active from the amp directly, but that is not the way I have it currently set up. That is for when the boredom strikes later. a processor will be in the mix at that time.