Navigation Hack Guide: Welcome Screen Mod, Trip Computer, OK Button Nag Removal
11-14-2006, 05:58 AM
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I've gotten different PM's from different people about how to do this hack. I am in no way an expert on how to do this. I was able to figure it out, but quite possibly by accident. haha
Anyways, the best that I might be able to do is to upload my BIN somewhere for people to download and use as they please. It has a custom image (which one would have to change, but nobody seems to have a problem doing that), it has the Angry Dad OK bypass, and the Angry Dad work-around patch. I did not do the trip computer because I didn't think that I would use it. Check my video to see what I'm talking about.
http://s97.photobucket.com/albums/l2...gationhack.flv
Anybody willing to host this file? What I've done in the past is to email people my navi.exe file, but this may be a better solution. PM me so we don't clog up this thread.
Anyways, the best that I might be able to do is to upload my BIN somewhere for people to download and use as they please. It has a custom image (which one would have to change, but nobody seems to have a problem doing that), it has the Angry Dad OK bypass, and the Angry Dad work-around patch. I did not do the trip computer because I didn't think that I would use it. Check my video to see what I'm talking about.
http://s97.photobucket.com/albums/l2...gationhack.flv
Anybody willing to host this file? What I've done in the past is to email people my navi.exe file, but this may be a better solution. PM me so we don't clog up this thread.
11-14-2006, 08:11 PM
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Here ya go...
http://www.savefile.com/files/257190
This is the BIN file. Burn it with that HMImanager file (forget the exact name). It's got a custom image that you will have to either use or change, the AD OK bypass, and the AD work-around for version 3.6 (orange disk). Like I said before, I didn't do the trip computer because I wasn't interested.
I am no expert with this stuff by any means so I will probably stare at most of your questions with a dumb-founded look on my face. Good luck!
http://www.savefile.com/files/257190
This is the BIN file. Burn it with that HMImanager file (forget the exact name). It's got a custom image that you will have to either use or change, the AD OK bypass, and the AD work-around for version 3.6 (orange disk). Like I said before, I didn't do the trip computer because I wasn't interested.
I am no expert with this stuff by any means so I will probably stare at most of your questions with a dumb-founded look on my face. Good luck!
11-15-2006, 04:54 PM
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Originally Posted by zeezz
yes! worked!
confirmed working with 3.30f version, 3.40 trip computer and navi hack provided by kennyc, and custom boot image.
i'm happy.
easiest way to do it with CEBin if you don't have 3.4 or 3.5:
put CEBin, the bin file to patch, and the three files you want replaced (back.bmp, navi.exe, hmimanager.exe).
make a text file with the following (replace BN2HH12C if needed, this is for 3.30 fversion)
image BN2HH12C.BIN
replaceFile navi.exe C:\navihack\navi.exe
replaceFile Back.bmp C:\navihack\Back.bmp
replaceFile HMIManager.exe C:\navihack\HMIManager.exe
you have to replace the filenames (C:\ whatever) with your own. Then run CEBin from the command prompt:
cebin yourfile.txt -s tempfile.bin
then rename this file to the original image name, put it with the loader on a disc, and burn away as detailed in the other posts.
confirmed working with 3.30f version, 3.40 trip computer and navi hack provided by kennyc, and custom boot image.
i'm happy.
easiest way to do it with CEBin if you don't have 3.4 or 3.5:
put CEBin, the bin file to patch, and the three files you want replaced (back.bmp, navi.exe, hmimanager.exe).
make a text file with the following (replace BN2HH12C if needed, this is for 3.30 fversion)
image BN2HH12C.BIN
replaceFile navi.exe C:\navihack\navi.exe
replaceFile Back.bmp C:\navihack\Back.bmp
replaceFile HMIManager.exe C:\navihack\HMIManager.exe
you have to replace the filenames (C:\ whatever) with your own. Then run CEBin from the command prompt:
cebin yourfile.txt -s tempfile.bin
then rename this file to the original image name, put it with the loader on a disc, and burn away as detailed in the other posts.
I'm not much of a commandprompt pro here. A few of the DIY here seem confusing and contradictory. (maybe I wasn't following directions right) I got stumped many times trying to do this via dumpnavi. I got the splash screen working, Just couldn't get the rest to work. I wanted the TC and the AD-free OK hack. I forwent using CEBin thinking it would be more complicated. But then as a last resort I did it verbatim to zeezz instructions. It worked flawlessly!! Defintely worth it!
As a side note one tip from me: I didn't want to burn too many coasters so I thought of burning on a DVD-RW.....So if you were wondering, NO DVD-RW aren't going to read. Burn only on DVD-Rs! Also I have ver 3.50 and used instructions for 3.40 and it still worked.
11-15-2006, 05:46 PM
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I would recommend to use the new CEBin 0.5 (see details several posts above) because the old version has several bugs related to recalculating addresses after replacing files.
But the new version has not been tested enough.
But the new version has not been tested enough.
11-15-2006, 07:13 PM
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By tomorrow 10:00 PM i shall be posting a public link with downloadable verions for the navi hack fo version 3.30G. ( BN2HH12C.BIN)
My vision is to collect the navi files, update them and post them for users to download (3.4, 3.5 and 3.6). Please upload your files and send me a link so i can "hack them to make it easier for the acurazine community
My vision is to collect the navi files, update them and post them for users to download (3.4, 3.5 and 3.6). Please upload your files and send me a link so i can "hack them to make it easier for the acurazine community
11-15-2006, 10:01 PM
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Originally Posted by brifro
I'm generally dissatisfied with the navi system in my 2006 TL, but I have no idea what the hell you guys are talking about! I think I get the getting rid of/bypassing the need to press the "OK" button when it comes up on the screen, but what is the thing with the trip computer/angry dad thing? I know what the trip meter is-there are 2 (A and B), but is that what you are talking about? Please explain, I'm interested. Thanks. Oh, and by dissatisfied, I'm talking about the general inability of this navi system to find anything at all, compared to my handheld Garmin V, which Alpine admits has a much bigger database. Anything that can be done in this area?
The trip computer will actually display on the navi screen. It is a full screen that can show instead of the map or audio. Kinda neat...
11-16-2006, 02:05 AM
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Originally Posted by rockyfeller
As a side note one tip from me: I didn't want to burn too many coasters so I thought of burning on a DVD-RW.....So if you were wondering, NO DVD-RW aren't going to read. Burn only on DVD-Rs! Also I have ver 3.50 and used instructions for 3.40 and it still worked.
11-16-2006, 03:29 AM
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Originally Posted by csmeance
By tomorrow 10:00 PM i shall be posting a public link with downloadable versions for the navi hack fo version 3.30G. ( BN2HH12C.BIN)
My vision is to collect the navi files, update them and post them for users to download (3.4, 3.5 and 3.6). Please upload your files and send me a link so i can "hack them to make it easier for the acurazine community
My vision is to collect the navi files, update them and post them for users to download (3.4, 3.5 and 3.6). Please upload your files and send me a link so i can "hack them to make it easier for the acurazine community
I understand disadvantages of this idea but I think it may be useful anyway.
11-16-2006, 06:26 AM
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Originally Posted by PSW
Here ya go...
http://www.savefile.com/files/257190
This is the BIN file. Burn it with that HMImanager file (forget the exact name). It's got a custom image that you will have to either use or change, the AD OK bypass, and the AD work-around for version 3.6 (orange disk). Like I said before, I didn't do the trip computer because I wasn't interested.
I am no expert with this stuff by any means so I will probably stare at most of your questions with a dumb-founded look on my face. Good luck!
http://www.savefile.com/files/257190
This is the BIN file. Burn it with that HMImanager file (forget the exact name). It's got a custom image that you will have to either use or change, the AD OK bypass, and the AD work-around for version 3.6 (orange disk). Like I said before, I didn't do the trip computer because I wasn't interested.
I am no expert with this stuff by any means so I will probably stare at most of your questions with a dumb-founded look on my face. Good luck!
11-16-2006, 08:39 AM
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Man... I really want to do some of these things to my 2007 TL, but it's a totally different disk, v4.55 White. Files aren't even the same. I have been playing around with it some, but I get errors when I try to extract the files from the BINs 07Touch.bin 07Touch2.bin . Anyone know any good programs to extract / update these? I have tried (on XP) Winimage, Alchohol, Nero, UltraISO, and even tried MAC Unarchive. No luck. Closest I have come is using the DumpNavi.exe which extracted some of the files before it errored.
I also noticed on the new DVD that all the icons and road "images" (showing like interstate exists) are all in folders on the disk and would be easily modifiable. Are those things easy accessable on the earlier disks? Anyone played around with "updating/improving" these images?
I also noticed on the new DVD that all the icons and road "images" (showing like interstate exists) are all in folders on the disk and would be easily modifiable. Are those things easy accessable on the earlier disks? Anyone played around with "updating/improving" these images?
11-16-2006, 12:32 PM
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Good News 2007 TL Owners 
Got info on how to hack the Startup Screen for 2007 TL's. Worked on mine w/White Disk v4.55.
It's basically the same as a hack for the 2006 Civic. Guy named Guicide has some instructions online here: http://www.guicide.com/cars/2006civic/nav/hacks/ . Instead of using his 06AVN2.bin file, you use the 07Touch2.bin file from the TL v4.55 DVD. All the other instructions are pretty much the same. (They are very detailed, so even a computer novice should be able to follow without a problem.)
Pay special attention to the file size. Has to be 480 by 234 pixels and 256 colors BMP and you need to use his 8to16 program on it. Some of the Graphics in the TL thread are a different size. (off by a few pixels). I used the Lo/Jack graphic, increased the size using Paint and saved it and used it, no problem.
You do have to use a DVD (dual layer) to burn it correctly (UDF). I used DVD-R, not sure if an RW will work (do they even make Dual Layer RW disks?). Heard reports no for the 06, but haven't tested it on the 07 yet.
The Load instructions are off by just a little. You shouldn't get the "error" screen that he got for the Civic, but the rest of the procedures are the same to bring up the diagnostics menu and download the new DVD info. Once you boot and hit ok, do the keypresses and download like he shows.
Now... Working on the OK screen text and elimination of the OK button are our next challenges.
Got info on how to hack the Startup Screen for 2007 TL's. Worked on mine w/White Disk v4.55.
It's basically the same as a hack for the 2006 Civic. Guy named Guicide has some instructions online here: http://www.guicide.com/cars/2006civic/nav/hacks/ . Instead of using his 06AVN2.bin file, you use the 07Touch2.bin file from the TL v4.55 DVD. All the other instructions are pretty much the same. (They are very detailed, so even a computer novice should be able to follow without a problem.)
Pay special attention to the file size. Has to be 480 by 234 pixels and 256 colors BMP and you need to use his 8to16 program on it. Some of the Graphics in the TL thread are a different size. (off by a few pixels). I used the Lo/Jack graphic, increased the size using Paint and saved it and used it, no problem.
You do have to use a DVD (dual layer) to burn it correctly (UDF). I used DVD-R, not sure if an RW will work (do they even make Dual Layer RW disks?). Heard reports no for the 06, but haven't tested it on the 07 yet.
The Load instructions are off by just a little. You shouldn't get the "error" screen that he got for the Civic, but the rest of the procedures are the same to bring up the diagnostics menu and download the new DVD info. Once you boot and hit ok, do the keypresses and download like he shows.
Now... Working on the OK screen text and elimination of the OK button are our next challenges.
11-16-2006, 01:53 PM
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Originally Posted by BBoz
You do have to use a DVD (dual layer) to burn it correctly (UDF). I used DVD-R, not sure if an RW will work (do they even make Dual Layer RW disks?). Heard reports no for the 06, but haven't tested it on the 07 yet.
Now... Working on the OK screen text and elimination of the OK button are our next challenges.
Now... Working on the OK screen text and elimination of the OK button are our next challenges.
Good luck with the nag screen hack. It is much more of a challenge. Totally different than the previous 3.x versions. Keep us updated on your progress!
11-16-2006, 02:50 PM
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Originally Posted by sasair
You don't have to use DVD (dual layer) to burn it. I use CDRs and it works just fine, you just need to burn the right files to the CD to load.
Good luck with the nag screen hack. It is much more of a challenge. Totally different than the previous 3.x versions. Keep us updated on your progress!
Good luck with the nag screen hack. It is much more of a challenge. Totally different than the previous 3.x versions. Keep us updated on your progress!
Hmmm... ok... I just burned an entire copy of my DVD 8+ GB (White v4.55) and replaced the bin file on it. Didn't know you could only put a sub-set of the files on the DVD for the load. Is there a thread that talks about that somewhere?
If anyone knows which file has the Nag screen and/or the text for it for the White Label v4.x disks, please let me know.
11-16-2006, 03:32 PM
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Originally Posted by BBoz
Hmmm... ok... I just burned an entire copy of my DVD 8+ GB (White v4.55) and replaced the bin file on it. Didn't know you could only put a sub-set of the files on the DVD for the load. Is there a thread that talks about that somewhere?
If anyone knows which file has the Nag screen and/or the text for it for the White Label v4.x disks, please let me know.
If anyone knows which file has the Nag screen and/or the text for it for the White Label v4.x disks, please let me know.
I found the nag screen text in the HMIManager.dll file. Haven't played around with it much, but on my first and only try, I couldn't get the modified file to update in the bin.
Here's the site that lists the files...
http://www.guicide.com/cars/2006civi...wToReload.html
11-16-2006, 09:54 PM
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Originally Posted by datmrman
Don't waste time and DVD-Rs for this. Just use CDR-Ws or CD-R. The necessary BIN files fit on a 700 MB disk. Its only 100+ MB for all 9 BIN files and 13 MB for the two you really need.
I don't know why I overlooked this....Yea I could have easily burned to a CD-R....Will a CD-RW work? I know DVD-RWs won't.
11-18-2006, 01:14 AM
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Originally Posted by rockyfeller
DUh??? I don't know why I overlooked this....Yea I could have easily burned to a CD-R....Will a CD-RW work? I know DVD-RWs won't.
I don't know why I overlooked this....Yea I could have easily burned to a CD-R....Will a CD-RW work? I know DVD-RWs won't.
Originally Posted by datmrman
Don't waste time and DVD-Rs for this. Just use CDR-RWs or CD-R. The necessary BIN files fit on a 700 MB disk. Its only 100+ MB for all 9 BIN files and 13 MB for the two you really need.
pikegi, what AC mod are you talking about? I thought the trip computer mod also enables the AC controls.
11-18-2006, 04:55 PM
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Navi seems confused...
Today when I went to do some of the basic navi hacks (spash screen, trip comp, etc.) on my TL (early model 04 6MT, navi version 3.30H).
At some point I had to reboot with the disc's initial setup... only when the disc loaded, it loaded what I think is the Accord profile.. now I have no center or subwoofer control in the soud menu, the trip computer enabled, and the "H" splash screen.
I tried pulling the fuses and the battery--both required the codes for the nav and radio again-- but it when the disc loads, I still get the Honda defaults. I even tried to load my old bin from CD (files is BN2HH12C.BIN) and it wont load.
I have changed the splash screen before, but never had a problem like this.... anyone have any ideas???
At some point I had to reboot with the disc's initial setup... only when the disc loaded, it loaded what I think is the Accord profile.. now I have no center or subwoofer control in the soud menu, the trip computer enabled, and the "H" splash screen.
I tried pulling the fuses and the battery--both required the codes for the nav and radio again-- but it when the disc loads, I still get the Honda defaults. I even tried to load my old bin from CD (files is BN2HH12C.BIN) and it wont load.
I have changed the splash screen before, but never had a problem like this.... anyone have any ideas???
11-18-2006, 05:23 PM
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Originally Posted by everto13
Today when I went to do some of the basic navi hacks (spash screen, trip comp, etc.) on my TL (early model 04 6MT, navi version 3.30H).
At some point I had to reboot with the disc's initial setup... only when the disc loaded, it loaded what I think is the Accord profile.. now I have no center or subwoofer control in the soud menu, the trip computer enabled, and the "H" splash screen.
I tried pulling the fuses and the battery--both required the codes for the nav and radio again-- but it when the disc loads, I still get the Honda defaults. I even tried to load my old bin from CD (files is BN2HH12C.BIN) and it wont load.
I have changed the splash screen before, but never had a problem like this.... anyone have any ideas???
At some point I had to reboot with the disc's initial setup... only when the disc loaded, it loaded what I think is the Accord profile.. now I have no center or subwoofer control in the soud menu, the trip computer enabled, and the "H" splash screen.
I tried pulling the fuses and the battery--both required the codes for the nav and radio again-- but it when the disc loads, I still get the Honda defaults. I even tried to load my old bin from CD (files is BN2HH12C.BIN) and it wont load.
I have changed the splash screen before, but never had a problem like this.... anyone have any ideas???
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Troubleshooting and Tips
I found the navigation system is pretty tolerant of mistakes. If you screw something up (and you probably will) All you need to do is reinsert your original navi dvd back into the drive, press and hold "GUIDE" "MENU" and "CANCEL" for 5 seconds and it will take you to the diagnostic menu EVEN if your navigation system is in a loop! Once you're in the diagnostic menu just go into "version" and press "load disc" and everything will be back to factory state.
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11-18-2006, 05:40 PM
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Sadly I did try that... its what got me in trouble in the first place. I'd never had to reload the original before, is it possible I have the wrong disc? I didn't think the discs were model specific, as long as you have the right version (i.e. 3.xx).
11-27-2006, 02:37 AM
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Trip computer hack tutorial
Originally Posted by raginghormones
hmmm..i'm having trouble removing nag screen for 3.60 and Trip Computer. anyone willing to help?
it uses BNHH401A.BIN..i think
it uses BNHH401A.BIN..i think
11-30-2006, 03:12 AM
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There is a sticky at the top of the forum on different welcome screens. Sticky: Navi Hack BMP's (Images)
As for screen shots of the trip computer, you can find those easily with a search.
11-30-2006, 08:53 AM
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Here buddy. I put up some Screen shots when I did my Trip computer hack. Searching is your friend
http://www.sachelp.com/?page=trip
http://www.sachelp.com/?page=trip
Originally Posted by shanezam203
Are there any screen shots on here of the trip computer and different welcome screen's?
Thanks,
Shane
Thanks,
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12-02-2006, 08:29 PM
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hi i need some help. i have extract and patch the navi.exe with the ok crack. i can't update back. it says must be less than or equal to. what should i do? the bnhh401 is the 3.50 version.
12-03-2006, 06:09 PM
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Thanks to all involved with the creation of these hacks. I finally had some time tonight and did the wallpaper and trip computer. Except for a mistake that I made (which ended up adding 30 minutes, but no harm done) they perform flawlessly. Thanks again.
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12-03-2006, 06:11 PM
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ok guys ive got the 05 TL with the 3.40C software. ive gone through all 11 pages of this thread and tried doing the command promt thing and all ( now mind you im not too computer savvey when it comes to re-wqriting files and stuff) but my point here is this
can someone help me give a liemans terms way of doing it ( kinda like ANGELS website that was just posted a lil while ago) im interested in pretty much every hack there is - AC controls, trip computer, bypassing the OK button, and iserting my own picture at start up.
also is it worth spending the money for a newer software disc that has more info, POI's etc then doing the hacks??
PLEASE HELP this stuff is all wicked sweet but its all chinese to me!
can someone help me give a liemans terms way of doing it ( kinda like ANGELS website that was just posted a lil while ago) im interested in pretty much every hack there is - AC controls, trip computer, bypassing the OK button, and iserting my own picture at start up.
also is it worth spending the money for a newer software disc that has more info, POI's etc then doing the hacks??
PLEASE HELP this stuff is all wicked sweet but its all chinese to me!
12-04-2006, 01:15 AM
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You can still use the way I explained it on my website but use these files that are already cracked thanks to kennyc. The difference is that you can skip a few steps (step 4,5, and 6) and get to uploading the cracks to the bin files since the files are already cracked.
HMIManager.zip - Kenny's modified trip computer for v3.40c (password: kennyc)
navi.zip - Kenny's modified OK executable for Navi 3.40c (password: kennyc)
links are on the first page (first post)
HMIManager.zip - Kenny's modified trip computer for v3.40c (password: kennyc)
navi.zip - Kenny's modified OK executable for Navi 3.40c (password: kennyc)
links are on the first page (first post)
Originally Posted by intensivecare18
ok guys ive got the 05 TL with the 3.40C software. ive gone through all 11 pages of this thread and tried doing the command promt thing and all ( now mind you im not too computer savvey when it comes to re-wqriting files and stuff) but my point here is this
can someone help me give a liemans terms way of doing it ( kinda like ANGELS website that was just posted a lil while ago) im interested in pretty much every hack there is - AC controls, trip computer, bypassing the OK button, and iserting my own picture at start up.
also is it worth spending the money for a newer software disc that has more info, POI's etc then doing the hacks??
PLEASE HELP this stuff is all wicked sweet but its all chinese to me!
can someone help me give a liemans terms way of doing it ( kinda like ANGELS website that was just posted a lil while ago) im interested in pretty much every hack there is - AC controls, trip computer, bypassing the OK button, and iserting my own picture at start up.
also is it worth spending the money for a newer software disc that has more info, POI's etc then doing the hacks??
PLEASE HELP this stuff is all wicked sweet but its all chinese to me!
12-04-2006, 11:42 AM
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Originally Posted by nguyen220
Here buddy. I put up some Screen shots when I did my Trip computer hack. Searching is your friend
http://www.sachelp.com/?page=trip
http://www.sachelp.com/?page=trip
Originally Posted by datmrman
There is a sticky at the top of the forum on different welcome screens. Sticky: Navi Hack BMP's (Images)
As for screen shots of the trip computer, you can find those easily with a search.
Thanks again,
Shane
12-04-2006, 05:43 PM
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alllright bear with the ignorance here - when i open the command prompt the program opens up and says C:\Documents and Settings\HP_administrator>
with a curser blinking after the >
i have tried to type dumpnavi(space)BNHH401A.BIN(space)extract
then hit enter and this comes up 'dumpnavi' is not recognized as an internal or external command, operable program or batch file
ive tried doing underscores instead of spaces and all different combinations and it doesnt seem to work -
ALSO when im burning the 9 bin files onto a dvd will i only burn those 9 bin files and NOT the bmp image, dumpnavi.exe, and TLPatch401a.com onto the dvd
grrr thanks for all ur help guys!!!
with a curser blinking after the >
i have tried to type dumpnavi(space)BNHH401A.BIN(space)extract
then hit enter and this comes up 'dumpnavi' is not recognized as an internal or external command, operable program or batch file
ive tried doing underscores instead of spaces and all different combinations and it doesnt seem to work -
ALSO when im burning the 9 bin files onto a dvd will i only burn those 9 bin files and NOT the bmp image, dumpnavi.exe, and TLPatch401a.com onto the dvd
grrr thanks for all ur help guys!!!
12-04-2006, 07:54 PM
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Originally Posted by nguyen220
You can still use the way I explained it on my website but use these files that are already cracked thanks to kennyc. The difference is that you can skip a few steps (step 4,5, and 6) and get to uploading the cracks to the bin files since the files are already cracked.
HMIManager.zip - Kenny's modified trip computer for v3.40c (password: kennyc)
navi.zip - Kenny's modified OK executable for Navi 3.40c (password: kennyc)
links are on the first page (first post)
HMIManager.zip - Kenny's modified trip computer for v3.40c (password: kennyc)
navi.zip - Kenny's modified OK executable for Navi 3.40c (password: kennyc)
links are on the first page (first post)
updated file (compressed): 868391 bytes
old file (compressed): 868229 bytes
Is this cause for concern? Has anyone succesfully updated their 3.60 system with the Trip computer?
12-04-2006, 08:01 PM
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finnally getting somewhere - it looks liek ive correctly done the BMP image btu the nag screen still comes up ( only without any yellow writting) but the OK button still comes up and it looks like i still only have 3 options in the info screen any way that i can just ad the AC - TC mod now ??
also i have put the orriginal dvd back into the dvd player but havent loaded the dick is that the correct thing to do ( so i can still use all the POI's on the disc
also is there4 anyway to get a couple of pics of the AC menu and the trip comp allong with the diag menu im kinda anxious to see really what they look like and am pretty much ready to throw this computer out the window!! haha
thanks again!
also i have put the orriginal dvd back into the dvd player but havent loaded the dick is that the correct thing to do ( so i can still use all the POI's on the disc
also is there4 anyway to get a couple of pics of the AC menu and the trip comp allong with the diag menu im kinda anxious to see really what they look like and am pretty much ready to throw this computer out the window!! haha
thanks again!
