direk_04TL

got my new C&D ... and wow that thing looks hot! it wasnt as "Bangle-ized" as the 5 or the 7 series. 0-60 in 5.6 sec, 1/4 mile in 14.3 secs. @ 98mph. i personally would hold on to my TL for 2-3 more years before i give in to the call of the "Ultimate Driving Machine".

rets

No...


Buy a new one...

mickey3c

In a heart beat. All depends on what I am looking for... I would like to only have to drive it for 2 years and then trade it...

Jinen

i would not give up my TL...

over the next few months, i plan on doing quite a few modifications to the car, so it would be very VERY difficult for me to give up my TL...a lot of sentimental value you know lol

i checked the new 3-series out...it's not bad...however, i really like having "more buttons" inside the car around the dashboard...that's why I like the TL's interior...makes it look like an airplanes cockpit...

the new 3-series is a bad-ass car lol....if i have the money, then i might buy that while keeping the TL...

SmokeTL

As long as I am still in the north east, I wil not do it. i plan on relocating to GA, I might consider it 2 or 3 years down the road. I have had my fill of snow and what not. I also want to see what mid-cycle changes they make to the BMW....I still like my car though.

subinf

nope

cullal

BTL05

I think they mess up on the new 3 series...especially the interior. I own a 2001 E46 and love it...when they changed out the headlights in 2002..loved it even less...one cool thing about the new 3 series tho is its has a HUD so you dont have took at a screen for navi.

F23A4

If I recall correctly, the E46 330i PP posted similar numbers and doesnt have the fugliness of the E90.

FugittiveTLS`03

Noway

thebolt99

Yup .... in a second ... if it loaded wasn't 45k

SmokeTL

After its out a while they will accept $1000 over invoice again...what ever that is.

Prolanman

Nope. BMW screwed the pooch with the redesign. Too many of the lines remind me on a Hyundai. IMO

Repecat

Nope. I had my day with a Bimmer. Cramped inside, austere, underpowered, and a little dangerous, but very economical at 50 to 60 mpg. Come to think of it, I would like it back cuz it would probably be worth big bucks now.

terse

if i could do it even trade with same amount of options/add ons

260 HP

iTrader: (3)

While I bet the E90 will outhandle the TL, I still can't get past the look. It's "too much" IMO. M3 E46, that I don't mind having....

TLNJ

Agreed w/everything...especially the M3

ramzfan

My buddy drives one of those "Ultimate Driving Machines" and it only took him 15K in options to get close to what the TL offers. He does have a 300 hp M3 with SMG that is totally kick ass, but 55K for a car without a CD player as standard equipment is a bit much in my opinion.

Lore

The pictures from the leaked brochure that I saw makes it look like the current Lexus IS300. Am I off-base here?

Twenties

It won't sell for $1000 over invoice (i.e. $42,000) until its late in the model cycle. As such it'll sell for close to sticker or maybe $44k. My TL Navi was about $34k. For $10,000 more and a smaller car, I'll pass.

That said I do like the new design and I'm sure it'll drive great.

But a compact sedan with only a 250 hp 6cyl ....costing $45,000 doesn't exactly make want to run and trade my Acura in. 5 years ago that would have been a 530 instead of 330 at that price.

subinf

One of the first Car and Driver tests of the TL came right before an article looking at the 530 (yes its not a 3 but still....). They seriously questioned the Ultimate Driving Machine after driving the TL, and although I would take the new m3 in a heartbeat (trade of course) my friends 05 330 is a turn off, damaging the ultimate driving machine even further.

Novice

If I get a gurantee from BMW that their cars don't rattle, I will in a second.

Saintor

Yet they ranked a 325i higher than a TL 6 sp. in a comparo March last year. They gave to the 'underpowered' BMW top marks for fun-to-drive, even higher than the winner of the comparo, the G35. I don't think that the questioning lasted long.

subinf

possibly b/c of rwd for the bmw coming out on top? no doubt about the g35

SMF-TLS

No way. If you think our TL's have problems, visit the service department of a BMW dealership.

RhythmAddict

Not bangalized?!? have you seen the back of that ugly thing?

youngTL

Guys, I know its a dumb question, but I don't really understand what these "E" designations are. Like E46 and E90. What do they mean?

chkelly

the old man got the new car & driver (i think that is it) and they previewed/reviewed the redesigned 3 series. The look is SO SO but the 330 has 0-60 in 5.6 seconds!!! The one thing i thought i would would always have over the bmw drivers is acceleration (excluding m3/m5). Looks like that is about to change

mickey3c

lol... I would like to see what the other mags have to say.. I do not like to magazine race, but 5.6 times are tough to get on the tl. I have seen 5.6, 5.8, and 6.7 for a 5AT etc. I am sure we all want to go by the 5.6 time...

chkelly

were doomed

mickey3c

lol nope... just a fact of life and engineering.. the ultimate driving machine needs to keep us with acura and acura needs to keep up with it...


go out and get a mustang gt for 28 k and save 18K over the bmw..

gsrthomas

Yeah BMW horsepower is underrated I believe. A current BMW 330i 235hp with the performance package could keep up with a 280hp G35 pretty good. Not saying it will beat it but it would be on its ass.

As for the new e90. I read that article to. But they tested the e90 without the sports package and with smaller tires. They said the wheels spun or something . So the 0-60 time could go down even more!!

nikko

IMO it isn't only the power that makes new 3 series so appealing....it's the improved interior (btw E90 is as big as our TLs) and the array of features it offers for a price that will not be much bigger that old 3 series....hmm..makes me wonder..

SmokeTL

I always suspected they underated their horsepower, and I think they have little drive line loss. Its that german magic.

Lore

The E90 is as big as the TL now? I always thought they were using a smaller, more compact body (along the lines of the Lexus IS300, Audi A4, etc).

alvonchui

There is no way the new 3 is as big as the TL. The 5 is size of the TL (a tag bigger), not 3. Please double check the spec.

Lore

My thoughts exactly. nikko, can you tell us where you got that information from?

mbucek

Guys,
BMW is mimiking the TL with this new car. They made it b/c their current 3 series has horrible integrity issues and breaks down often. They also created an automobile that looks strikingly similar to the TL. "The sincerest form of flattery" is that they are going after the TL. If the TL wasn't such a great car, BMW would have gone in another direction. They DO NOT underate the h.p. They give 2/1 advertising dollars to the major mags and they are usually 200-300 lbs lighter to comparable autos.

gsrthomas

Man I doubt that BMW actually thinks the TL is a huge threat and based there design to "mimik" the TL.

Come on now.

The BMW 3 series will aways be a great seller.

rets

Since this topic is OT, one thread would be quite enough. Therefore, I merged these two NEW BMW 3 series threads together.