Went at it with a '99-'01 LS400 today.
05-31-2004, 04:20 PM
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Went at it with a '99-'01 LS400 today.
It was actually up a slight incline from a red light .. probably a 15% grade, the most interesting street race I've ever had considering the incline factor. He had his woman in the car.
He won by 3/4 carlengths to 80mph.
He got the jump, i didn't really think this dude in a LS400 was gunna race me. I hung at his rear quarter panel the whole time, never gained.
He won by 3/4 carlengths to 80mph.
He got the jump, i didn't really think this dude in a LS400 was gunna race me. I hung at his rear quarter panel the whole time, never gained.
05-31-2004, 04:22 PM
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You shouldn't have raced him until you were sure he wanted to (next light). Getting owned by an LS (I find it funny but I am sure the car nerds are going to come running in with their dyno charts) could have been easily avoided by getting him at the next light. 
05-31-2004, 08:38 PM
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A/C Shouldn't Matter...?
Originally Posted by BrandHdriver
Were you running your a/c? If so, it cost you the race. Anyway, good report...
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05-31-2004, 11:13 PM
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2001 LS430 290HP, 320 ft/lb torque, 0-60 6.3, 1/4 in 14.7. Drivers race plain and simple. Might have even been an older LS400 model.They are a little slower than the 430s that came out in 2001. A 2004 LS430 will own an auto TL. They have a 6 speed trans an go 5.9/14.5. Sounds like you actually did pretty well. If it was a 400 it was a 2000 or older model.
06-01-2004, 07:19 AM
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Calling BS on the A/C WOT cutoff...
I don't believe that the TL has an A/C cutoff for full-throttle acceleration. I have shut off the a/c manually during hard acceleration and can tell the difference in acceleration.
Where have you read that our cars have this feature?
Where have you read that our cars have this feature?
06-01-2004, 10:21 AM
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Originally Posted by BrandHdriver
I don't believe that the TL has an A/C cutoff for full-throttle acceleration. I have shut off the a/c manually during hard acceleration and can tell the difference in acceleration.
Where have you read that our cars have this feature?
Where have you read that our cars have this feature?
06-01-2004, 10:40 AM
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Originally Posted by Aegir
It's an assumption. It's been a standard feature on most cars for about 25 years. I'd be pretty surprised if the TL didn't have it, but I am not an expert on Honda ECU programming.
The TL does not have this, You can definetly tell a big difference in acceleration when the AC is off opposed to on!
06-01-2004, 11:10 AM
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Second DopeTL
I ran a couple 0-60's with and without ac on the other day when it was around 80 degrees, slight overcast, low humidity (CO is dry). AC cost about a second off normal time for 5AT (low to mid 6's). I would think it matters in most engines out there....
06-01-2004, 11:52 AM
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Pete, any chance your 2k3 Max could've made up some ground on the lowend? 
From what I've experienced, the auto TL seemed somewhat challenged down low.
From what I've experienced, the auto TL seemed somewhat challenged down low.Without a doubt! The Max would have smoked this joker provided I didn't sit and peel out .. even w/ the automatic 3.5, you really need to learn to feather that baby and then throw it all on... I was not an LS430, it was a 400, so it probably had the 260hp, in which case, my TL is just slow, b/c that car is slow too!
6MT-ers would destroy this guy, needless to say.
06-01-2004, 11:54 AM
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The TL is such a dog low-end .. the TL-S (2k2-3) seemed like it had a snappier low-end grunt compared w/ my 2k4 TL .. I really dislike the ECT .. call me crazy.
I ran my TL-S at the track SEVERAL times.. with and without the A/C running full blast... all runs were approximately the same. In fact, when I was running down the strip, a gush of hot, humid air came thru as if the car switched to "heat" over the A/C!
I ran my TL-S at the track SEVERAL times.. with and without the A/C running full blast... all runs were approximately the same. In fact, when I was running down the strip, a gush of hot, humid air came thru as if the car switched to "heat" over the A/C!
06-01-2004, 11:57 AM
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low RPM's
The TL is a little challenged getting started as opposed to rear wheel drive. It doesn't start pulling until about 2.5-3.0k. I've found that the best way to get a good start in 5AT is the brake torque method ---> left on brake, right on gas, and rev it to 2k (it limits rev's at 2). Let off brake and off you shoot, unless your crappy EL-42's chirp and just slow you down (in that case try starting with VSA on and then turning off almost simultaneously with launch). Just my observations....
06-01-2004, 12:26 PM
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Originally Posted by PeterUbers
VQ:
Without a doubt! The Max would have smoked this joker provided I didn't sit and peel out .. even w/ the automatic 3.5, you really need to learn to feather that baby and then throw it all on... I was not an LS430, it was a 400, so it probably had the 260hp, in which case, my TL is just slow, b/c that car is slow too!
6MT-ers would destroy this guy, needless to say.
Without a doubt! The Max would have smoked this joker provided I didn't sit and peel out .. even w/ the automatic 3.5, you really need to learn to feather that baby and then throw it all on... I was not an LS430, it was a 400, so it probably had the 260hp, in which case, my TL is just slow, b/c that car is slow too!
6MT-ers would destroy this guy, needless to say.
) I loved the TL auto I test drove but just wish it had a bit more low end grunt.Nightrider, I can definitely vouch for your statement ('pulling @ 3k'); the power did seem to arrive (strongly) at about 3000 rpm. This tells me that the TL is probably a freeway monster, compared to my Maxima (pre-Cattman Y-pipe).
06-01-2004, 04:52 PM
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Originally Posted by PeterUbers
VQ:
I was not an LS430, it was a 400, so it probably had the 260hp, in which case, my TL is just slow, b/c that car is slow too!
6MT-ers would destroy this guy, needless to say.
I was not an LS430, it was a 400, so it probably had the 260hp, in which case, my TL is just slow, b/c that car is slow too!
6MT-ers would destroy this guy, needless to say.
06-01-2004, 08:55 PM
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Originally Posted by SergeyM
1998+ LS 400 has 290hp/300tq. It is the same engine that gets GS400 to 60mph in 5.7 sec. In 2001 it got additional .3 liter of displacement with 25 p/f torque increase. As to 6-speeders, I have yet to see a 6-sp outrun an auto in the real life situation. New clutch avery 5K miles anyone?
You haven't seen a 6MT outrun an auto TL b/c you have never seen the two run against each other. New clutch?? How about new torque convertor for the auto, b/c you'll have to brake torque pretty high to get a nice launch and achieve some decent times.
06-01-2004, 08:56 PM
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Originally Posted by BrandHdriver
Well, PeterUbers, you would have whipped him with the A/C off!!!
I never had the A/C on!!! I just didn't get a jump on him. Guys, I don't know about you, but I'm not losing sleep over this one .. I know the limits of the auto TL .. and it's no race car.
06-01-2004, 08:58 PM
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Originally Posted by VQ35DE
That's pretty much what I thought. (re: tirespin--Falken ZE512s go along way toward eliminating that FWD/VQ35DE wheelspin ) I loved the TL auto I test drove but just wish it had a bit more low end grunt.
Nightrider, I can definitely vouch for your statement ('pulling @ 3k'); the power did seem to arrive (strongly) at about 3000 rpm. This tells me that the TL is probably a freeway monster, compared to my Maxima (pre-Cattman Y-pipe).
) I loved the TL auto I test drove but just wish it had a bit more low end grunt.Nightrider, I can definitely vouch for your statement ('pulling @ 3k'); the power did seem to arrive (strongly) at about 3000 rpm. This tells me that the TL is probably a freeway monster, compared to my Maxima (pre-Cattman Y-pipe).
06-01-2004, 09:00 PM
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Hey did acura buy back you older TL cause of the transmissions???? If so please give some details thanks gb
And YES, I forced Acura to buyback my TL-S b/c of three tranny failures, but it wasn't easy. I have also helped two other members of this forum get complete buybacks of their TL-S for the same issue.
06-01-2004, 09:56 PM
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Nice run with the LS400. He has the torque advantage with the V8 so you should feel good that you kept up with him getting the jump. I think those 18" wheels are killing your acceleration though. Thats probobly why your car does not feel as torquey.
I had a run with a buddy in his 03 LS430 twice from 0-110 and his front bumper was at my rear fender each time. I had just Intake and the TSX wheels and tires then. I still want to run a TL bad now that I have intake and exhaust.
I had a run with a buddy in his 03 LS430 twice from 0-110 and his front bumper was at my rear fender each time. I had just Intake and the TSX wheels and tires then. I still want to run a TL bad now that I have intake and exhaust.
06-02-2004, 12:44 AM
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Yup as stated, the LS weighs right around 3900lbs and the 98-00 LS has 290hp and 300lbs torque good for low to mid 6s. The car really picks up at speed but losing by 3/4 a car length is not bad.
06-02-2004, 08:38 AM
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Originally Posted by PeterUbers
The auto TL isn't a highway monster... the Maxima could probably hold its own against a TL on the highway .. 4th gear is useless, and 3rd gear seems too tall on the highway (for the TL). THe Max's 3rd gear is rather potent.
) Since I got the Y-pipe installed, flooring it on the street gets me nervous.Do you think your TL is as quick/fast as your old TL-S??
06-02-2004, 02:56 PM
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Originally Posted by mobilezen
Lexus owners and their glorified "luxury" camrys. nuff said :lol2:
It's really not too hard to draw a comparison between Toyota/Lexus AND Honda/Acura cars. :smackhead
06-02-2004, 04:59 PM
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Originally Posted by mobilezen
Lexus owners and their glorified "luxury" camrys. nuff said :lol2:
06-02-2004, 05:39 PM
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I think its just brand preference when it comes down to it. Some families have had Toyota or Honda or whatever and they like to stick to it. Some people are just suckers for statistics and stuff. There's actually a book that is called "How to lie with statistics." I've seen stuff like "Grey cars have the lowest number of accidents" or "Red cars get pulled over more often." etc etc. Even if Acura is not a luxury brand and something in between, they make great cars and its good that they are trying to reach other areas of the market.
06-02-2004, 07:28 PM
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Sigh, Acura is not even recognized as a luxury car maker, just an entry level one. Those luxo Camrys must not be that bad. :p Lexus is the most reliable, highest quality, highest customer satifaction, best selling luxury brand. Without having to resort to selling $20,000 RSXs and $25,000 TSXs that anyone can buy.
06-02-2004, 07:37 PM
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Lexus is not perfect. They have cars with rattles. They have a couple bad ones too. But clearly, since their inception in 1989, they are far below the industry average and basically woke up the whole auto community concerning quality. Sorry to hear about your friends rides, they are the exception, not the norm.
Just last night, a guy was IMing me complaining about his GX. He said he hears rattles and such. I asked him what was his previous car. He said a Chevy Monte Carlo. I asked how quiet was that car. He said it was loud. So I asked could he hear any rattles, he said no. I then stated, well how quiet is your Lexus. He said he can hear a moth scream. And there lies some of the problem.
Lexus is on the way to sell 300,000 vehicles a year. This was once an unheard of number for a luxury car company. They are going to have to work hard to ensure the quality stays with quantity. Previous curves indicate the more cars sold, a company's quality lowers.
Just last night, a guy was IMing me complaining about his GX. He said he hears rattles and such. I asked him what was his previous car. He said a Chevy Monte Carlo. I asked how quiet was that car. He said it was loud. So I asked could he hear any rattles, he said no. I then stated, well how quiet is your Lexus. He said he can hear a moth scream. And there lies some of the problem.
Lexus is on the way to sell 300,000 vehicles a year. This was once an unheard of number for a luxury car company. They are going to have to work hard to ensure the quality stays with quantity. Previous curves indicate the more cars sold, a company's quality lowers.
06-03-2004, 10:37 AM
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Originally Posted by ensley696
Isn't Lexus just as entry level luxury as Acura?
While nice and high in quality, it isnt like we're talking Bentley or Rolls Royce. Outside of pure quality and maybe customer svc, I still cant figure out why I'd want to buy an ES330 over a new TL.