ionojimbo

sorry for being a noob but i tried searching the forums and everything is just so confusing to understand cuz theres so many different pictures.

ok so im confused about the front bumper on the Type S and 07-08 Aspec. The TL im planning to get is an 04-06TL and i want to convert the front to the aggressive type S look. Is the bumper im looking for jus a plain typeS or a typeS with an aspec on it. pics would help ALOT please

If i get a 07-08 base TL would i need to get a type S bumper? and then the aspec made for the type S?

and Also what else would i need to get to do the conversion for the 04-06 models? (i.e front bumper/grill/headlight/fenders/hood etc)

24no7

iTrader: (2)

If u are getting a 04-06 tl then the the type-s grille wont fit on because it is a little bit different.

If u wanna make ur car to look like a type-s then u could buy either the 07-08 tl or 07 type-s front bumper, if im not wrong.

AckTL05

iTrader: (18)

You would need a new front bumper and grill to convert to the type-s. The whole grille (cross bar, hood and lower 'V'.) is needed (~100-120).

The a-spec is a lip package that can be added on later if you wanted to. It would be a plus if you bought the bumper with it since they are sold separately.

You can also do a clearing of your headlight to look somewhat type s, and tail lights. Check out my pictures, I do custom tail lights and JNC does custom headlights.

powerflow

04-06 is one style
07-08 Base is one style (larger grille/emblem/lower fogs)
07-08 TL-S is one style (black chrome grille/lower fogs)

Each has a specific, unique corresponding bumper.
Each has a specific, unique corresponding A-Spec kit.

All are different in more than one way. 07-08 center grilles are interchangeable. 07-08 Lower fog trim/grille trims are not. 07-08 Fog housings are interchangeable. TL-S lip is designed for the shape of the 07-08 TL-S bumper fog corners. The Lips are not interchangeable, however the TL-S lip will supposedly cover and mount on the other styles. But, the lower fog/grilles shapes will not match up perfect like the 07-08 TL-S bumper/lower grilles.

Basically if your looking for a clean install, and clean appearance, your best bet it to purchase all the parts from the specific model.

For a full nose conversion:

• Bumper
• Fog housings
• Fog wiring/bulbs
• Lower side fog trim/grilles
• Center grille parts, V, cross bas w/ emblem, backing
• A-Spec lip

stillhere153

iTrader: (1)

WRONG WRONG WRONG and WRONG

04to06 only has 1 part different from 07to08 and that is the wing
--(A)--

If you want the full S front you can ghetto rig the chrome wing from the S and throw on the type s lip WHICH I VERIFIED as fitting... And noob I'm the fitment guru... I've been wrong ONCE

COST EFFECTIVE
All you need is the type s front aspec lip... Then get the cheapest fogs you can find that fit in the opening and they can be mounted in seconds

ionojimbo

Thanks for all your input so far! so for the 07-08 base TL i would need to get a type-s grill +bumper to convert it to the type S front am i correct? and i will definetly come to you, AckTL05 for my tailights! those blacked out type S taillights are looking sweet

asdf0123

.. i was going to say i've seen a few 04-06 with type s front lips on..and they've said no modded is needed.

ionojimbo

can someone confirm this with pics please?

egonz36

i was going through the same problem before. i have a 2005 nbp and i had the a-spec lip and i wanted to different look so i started looking into the type-s front lip. i was told by everybody it wouldnt fit my 2005 bumper so i spoke with Stillhere153 and he told me it would definetly fit. i purchased the bumper from a member on AZ and i went to my boys shop. few hours later i had my type-s bumper on my 2005 bumper. i asked him what had to be done to fit the bumper and he told me that the lower grill inserts had to be cut to match the inserts of the type-s layout. and basically eyeing out the rest of the fitment and making minor adjusments.

in my opinion of you are up for the challenge of cutting your bumper i'd say its worth it. i am happy i didnt spend the money on a type-s bumper in the end.

here's a link to my thread:
http://www.tl.acurazine.com/forums/s...d.php?t=752765

powerflow

These nose end parts are all different, 04-06 to 07-08. The 07-08 grille is a different shape, it's a little larger/longer. 04-06 V trim will not mate to the 04-06 bumper. This is all based on no modifications, not including fogs.

• Bumper/Lip
• V trim
• Lower Grilles
• Center Cross Bar, Including Emblem ( it's larger in size )

Personally I do not recommend ghetto rig methods, and all un-used parts can easily be re-sold, especially if in unmodified OEM form.

ionojimbo

thanks for the confirm egonz36! it is definetly tempting to try but i prefer to just stick with doing things the way they are supposed to
so if i were to just buy a 07 to 08 base i should just get the typeS bumper and lip?

and if i were to get 04to06 i should get the typeS bumper/ V trim/ center cross bar and lower grills? (est cost?) would any custom fit be needed for UA6 models to match up with UA7 parts??

powerflow

It depends on what parts your looking to use. Do you want just the TL-S lip, or do you want a full TL-S nose. If you just want the lip, that's not a full conversion and a lot less expensive. If you get a 04-06 you need to swap the bumper so you can fasten the 07-08 TL-S black/tinted chrome grille, if you even want the grille. 04-06, 07-08 center grille bumper parts are not interchangeable. I would just the buy a TL-S or at least a 07-08 if you want the TL-S look.

I bought the grille parts for my conversion from an online parts seller. They give decent discounts. I also used aftermarket OEM type fog housing to save some cash. I did a 07-08 Base nose conversion on my 05 awhile ago. I know for a fact the difference between 04-06 and 07-08, and it's more than just the center bar. But, I also wanted an OEM appearance including fogs and such.

You can just do the TL-S lip if you get a 07-08 base, bumper is not required. 04-06 is where it gets more involved.

ionojimbo

i jsut want the front to look like this:

https://acurazine.com/forums/showthr...TypeS+Aspec+TL

https://acurazine.com/forums/showthr...TypeS+Aspec+TL

powerflow

You linked two different models. The first is a 07-08 TL-S with TL-S lip, second is a 07-08 Base with TL-S lip, you can clearly tell the Base by the grille color. If you don't care about the grille, either a Base or TL-S will work for you, just install the TL-S lip and your done. If you haven't bought the 04-06, I would hold off for a 07-08 model.

ionojimbo

ohhh i see... i will probably shoot for the 07-08 base then and install the TL-S lip. Thanks alot for your help powerflow!

stillhere153

iTrader: (1)

No point in doing a "full" conversion... You can get the 04to06 trims chromed...

$250 for the lip... Can't be more than $80 to get the pieces chromed


Oem front S bumper after paint no less than $350... Then add the cost of the lip... Another 250 then the grill pieces add around 100 (the A you reuse)

Sooo $300 and change vs no less than $700


Pretty pointless in my mind... Since you'll likely want the headlights done also...

powerflow

Just for clarification, you can't use a UA6 emblem on a UA7 (07-08) cross bar center grille. The UA7 emblem and black emblem backing is larger in size. Also, the UA7 cross bar center part comes with the emblem from the dealer. The base cross bar is about 55.00, TL-S is about 75.00, both come with the emblem.

You could also paint match or do a partial paint match on the grille. I think a paint matched grille looks good, if done right. But you do have to consider chipping as time goes on. Mine looks great even after 1 full year.

Also the 07-08 has better NAVI options & rear view camera.

ionojimbo

is the rear view camera standard? i also recently found out the darker colored interior trims in the TL have the carbon fiber design lol pretty neat.

as for the grill im planning on a blacked out grill in the future when i have time and such

powerflow

The rear camera is standard on the 07-08 NAVI models.

To my knowledge all 3G's have the CF interior trim standard, and the wood grain is optional, but I could be wrong.

I have a 05 with ebony interior/CF trim. It will never go out of style IMO.

Vinyl wrap is another option for the center grille too.

SwornTL05

Hi im new to this forum and am doing the same conversion but I cant figure out how to wire the foglights in the bumper on the 07 type s.I have a 05 base tl..Any help with that part?

powerflow

I already had my 05 fog lights (in headlight) wired independently, so I left that alone.

For the UA7 07-08 conversion, I used a random H8 4300K HID kit, and a KC Hilites universal fog light wiring kit. The wiring kit came complete with the fuse and relay, and wire runs. I really like the KC kit, it worked great and the wiring was good quality. I opted to use a on/off switch that matched the TL interior. Basically I added the wiring without disrupting or modifying the factory wiring. I turn the fogs on whenever I want via the additional switch, just like my OE fog lights.

SwornTL05

Thats what i was thinking of doin..I also dont want to mess with my stock wiring..Thanks alot for the help..

enigmaos

iTrader: (4)

It looks good without fog lights: https://acurazine.com/forums/showpos...6&postcount=34

ionojimbo

those holes irritate me alot lol but thats my personal preference. maybe u can put some halos around it or sumtin haha

JDMjnki

ok even with this thread there is alot of unclarity... THE QUESTION IS A YES OR NO ANSWER..LOL soooooo here it is again because I WOULD LIKE CLARITY... YES OR NO... will the 07 front bumper with the type s lip and grill BOLT on the 04-06 front and line up with everything with out modification?

powerflow

YES...


The bumper will bolt up to all the mounting points. When I did my 07-08 base conversion, I had to adjust the bumper alignment brackets, that are attached to the headlights, to properly fit of the parts. The bracket is adjustable for this purpose, so it's not a "modification". You do not need to swap the headlight or fenders, the bumper will mount fine, you might not even need to adjust, depends on how picky you are.

The guy above that tried to call me out about being wrong, was incorrect. There is more than just the cross bar that is different between 04-06 to 07-08. I'm not taking about what can be modified to fit, only direct bolt-on. The 04-06 V-trim will not fit the 07-08. Obviously the lower grilles are different also. You cannot re-use the 04-06 emblem on the 07-08 cross bar. The 07-08 emblem, and backing is larger. As I said before, the 07-08 center grille shape is a very slighty longer, different shape. Also, the 07-08 has a honeycomb type grille backing, the 04-06 does not.

powerflow

Here is a pic, 07-08 Base nose conversion on a 05, w/ HID lower fogs too.

paz840

iTrader: (2)

Powerflow is right...the 07 bumper will definitely fit on a 04-06 TL w/o modification.

You will however have to buy all new upper and lower grill components (except for the hood molding), including fog lights/housings. The grill will cost ~$100. OEM Fogs/Housings will cost ~$500.

Here is a pic of my 05 to 07-08 base bumper conversion with OEM fogs.

AtlM5

Or you could do the grill mod using the DIYs on azine which look 1000x better than just paint matching and it goes with the aggressive look of the typeS front.

AtlM5

But that is the base Aspec lip...will the typeS aspec fit without modification...I thought the fogs were different.

powerflow

That subjective though. IMO removing the middle cross bar look hideous. The grille opening looks way too big without it. I think that's what your talking about?

powerflow

The TL-S lip will fit over any 04-06, 07-08 bumper. But anytime you mount lower fogs on a 04-06 bumper, a little minor modification is needed to fasten properly.

07-08 base, and 07-08 TL-S fog housings are the same exact part. Just the grille trim that goes over the fog housing is different.

ionojimbo

wats your estimate on cost? o7-08 bumper+ grills (lower and upper) + cross bar?

also estimate for for the TL-s apsec front look?

Black 06' TL

I am trying to do this mod as well. Replacing 06 front bumper with an 07 Type s.

So far my understanding is that the 07 type s front bumper, will be a direct fit on my 06 base TL.

and that i need to purchase the following:

07 Type S front bumper
Fog housing
fog wiring/bulbs
lower side fog trim/grilles
Center grille parts, V, cross bass W/emblem, backing

Will it be cheaper if i buy it painted at the dealership, Or go to a body shop and have them try and match the paint and do the installation.