outdoorlife99

Been a long time, quick question please. Just had the trany go out on our 2006 TL. 153,000 miles. I did the 3qt change every 30,000 as well as a 3x3 at 110,000. Maybe I'm just unlucky or maybe that's about all most get. Anyhow it's in shop to have rebuilt by a reputable guy, 12,000ml or 12 month warranty. How long can I expect a rebuild to last? Has anyone done this and things worked out for another 100,000. Was going to get a rebuilt crate one from Honda, but dang car ain't worth what they want.Thanks folks

truonghthe

depend on how they are rebuilt it, one shop can rebuilt for $1200 so they just replace the clutch packs and call it a day meanwhile a $4000 rebuilt can assure you that all the sensor and solenoid along with it.

outdoorlife99

$2500, does include new torque converter. Not a trans guy so I guess I'm just hoping for the best then

outdoorlife99

Surely I'm not the only one to have a dump with tranny

Turbonut

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No one will be able to predict the longevity of a rebuilt unit, just like no one can predict how long the OEM trans will last.
Some have gone in 60k miles, some have lasted well over 200k miles.

flyromeo3

Youre not the only one.
Mine went out at 174k miles.
Currently getting it rebuilt with a full 3 yr warranty at a cost of 2300.
Hopefully this rebuilt can get me 100k miles out of it.

we will see

musiclevelz5

Eventually the automatic transmission will always fail in these TL's. Its only a matter of time depending on many variables and conditions.

Your transmission lasting that many miles is about average. I see most last about 100k-200k before needing rebuilt. You will likely get the same miles out of the rebuild as long as the shop does a good job and installs everything properly.

I rebuild these all the time at my own garage since I am self employed and I charge about 2000 for a 100% rebuild including a new torque converter and new pressure switches. I replace everything that has a wear item in the transmission. I would say the price your getting charged is about right in line with most shops.

Its funny though almost every rebuild I have done to date, the third gear clutch pack is about the only thing that is worn all the way down. All the other wear items such as o rings and 1,2,4,5 clutch packs are always like new condition.

outdoorlife99

Thanks guys

Jackass

So is it mostly a matter of 3rd being shot and the material plugging the filters causing the overall failure?

truonghthe

shitty Z1 fluid fail to lubricate part and pressure switches drift out of spec cause extra wear on the 3rd clutch pack eventually the clutch material got stuck at solenoid/passage well you get the idea. Its a poor engineer design and ATF choice at the same time.

musiclevelz5

Even with using DW1 and replacing the pressure sensors, its inevitable the 3rd gear clutch pack will still fail. The design flaw of the passages to the third gear clutch is not fixed by changing the fluid and or the pressure sensors but it does help with extending the life until a rebuild is required.

flyromeo3

My understanding ( please correct me if wrong ) is the clutch material wears down just form ordinary wear and tear. Which eventually clogs up the filter which in turn makes the Torque Convertor overheat due to lack of fluid circulation.
Hence the problems that arise. If thats the case then all transmissions of this design will eventually fail?

Scottwax

My original transmission went out at 157,200 miles. Had it rebuilt, $2700 for a full master kit rebuild, new torque converter and an external transmission cooler. Supposedly the shop does 190-220 Honda/Acura automatics a year and has experience with improving it where it needs it. Upshifts are fast and firm (but not tire chirping firm) but I've been having some downshift flares, usually at steady freeway speeds when I have to get around slower traffic. Part throttle issue, full throttle it's fine. Could be a solenoid or TPS issue, could be the rebuild. Seems to be a crap shoot with shops rebuilding import automatics. Had tons of issues with a 1990 Accord I used to have after the automatic was rebuilt after it failed at 190k miles. Finally had to have it redone under warranty. Everything was fine for 2 years, then something failed internally. Put in a low mileage used in and when I sold it with 280k miles on it the used automatic was still working fine.

If I had to go back to when my current automatic failed, I would have sourced the lowest mileage 2007 Accord transmission I could. They seem to be the most reliable.

outdoorlife99

I wasn't aware you could put an accord trans. In an Acura, anyhow listen to this, got the car back the other day and driving it home it was shifting/slipping going into last gear. Didn't want to move when put in reverse when I was taking it back. The shop that worked on it said they drove it a good bit before they called me, which I don't doubt, heck you got to try it out. Well it did it with him when I took it back, he seemed real concerned and would get right on it. I called to check today and was told they had to order a part, want to say it was a drum he said had a small crack in that they missed, never seen one do that they said. Seems it burned up the third gear clutch again. So I'm no transmission guy but did any of that sound right? Promised me he would have it by weeks end.

Scottwax

There is a thread here about someone putting a 2007 Accord transmission into his TL, the TL is basically a nicer, somewhat more powerful Accord anyway.

avs007

The problem with this tranny is the design, depending on how you drive...

If you are cruising at about 40mph in 4th gear, and you punch the gas, the tranny will downshift from 4th straight to 2nd... However, because of the design of this tranny, when it does this, it will drag the 3rd gear clutch pack, which is the cause of the premature failure... Other transmissions don't drag the 3rd gear clutchpack while doing a 4-2 downshift.

The only way to prevent this wear, is to prevent this 4-2 downshift. If you don't drive like that, you likely won't see this problem for a long time... However, if you regularly do this, your tranny will take a crap on you.... With that being said, the easiest way to prevent this if you drive like this, is to put the tranny in sport mode, and downshift one gear at a time.

musiclevelz5

When the trans downshifts from 4 to 2 how do you know the 3rd gear clutch pack drags? You hear it engaging? You have a pressure tester on the 3rd clutch? Speculation?

You would have to downshift like that everyday multiple times to even have a slight effect on the wearing of 3rd and it would take 100 years to cause problems like the 2-3 shift does.

Typically the 3rd pack ONLY wears from the 2-3 shift from lack of fluid flow to the 3rd clutch pack drum. ALL transmissions that wear the 3rd clutch are because of this.

avs007

There was a thread on here a long time ago, where an actual transbuilder was talking about his conclusions, from when he was rebuilding his transmission.

thoiboi

https://acurazine.com/forums/third-g...der-tl-721508/