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Old Jul 19, 2010 | 02:44 PM
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Totaled my TL <--This is my first thread

Last week I was driving in rush hour at 40-50mph, checked my blind spot to merge into the right lane, when I turned back around, the traffic in front of me stopped. I applied heavy breaking and attempted to avoid the semi trailer parked in front of me. All attempts failed. The driver explained after that he was suprised that he could slow down enough to not hit the car in front of him and it was a wrong place wrong time collision.

Word came back from Progressive that my car was totaled and I'm in the market for another car . I was looking for an affordable RL, but a service writer at a local Acura dealer advised me against them. So I guess it'll be back to another 6sp TL.

I bought the 2004 TL 6sp (no nav) in Fall of 2008 for $14.6 with 53K on the odometer. I thought it was a good deal at the time. The car now has over 91K and Progressive setteled for $13.4 so I think I got my moneys worth out of the car.



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Old Jul 19, 2010 | 02:45 PM
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Ouch...good luck
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Old Jul 19, 2010 | 02:50 PM
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adjust your mirrors so that there are no blind spots...no blind spots means no turning your head to look.

butt, glad you're okay.
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Old Jul 19, 2010 | 02:50 PM
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I thought this was kinda funny.

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Old Jul 19, 2010 | 02:50 PM
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Sorry to hear. It doesn't take much to total these cars. I just went through the same thing myself a little while ago.

I wound up with a diff vehicle though. It's funny, it's the vehicle that's behind yours in the photo!
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Old Jul 19, 2010 | 02:51 PM
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You should be able to get at least 15k for it.

http://www.kbb.com/used-cars/acura/t...e=90000#survey
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Old Jul 19, 2010 | 02:53 PM
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Glad your ok, good news is that it sounds like you get a good amount of money from insurance, even more than I would have expected. Did it have any aftermarket parts on it?
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Old Jul 19, 2010 | 02:56 PM
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Originally Posted by pimpin-tl
You should be able to get at least 15k for it.

http://www.kbb.com/used-cars/acura/t...e=90000#survey
thats retail value and its auto, i believe kbb would rate an auto at a higher price than a manual, although most of us would prefer manuals
and that does suck id cry but its a good thing you are ok
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Old Jul 19, 2010 | 02:57 PM
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Originally Posted by Shalooby
Sorry to hear. It doesn't take much to total these cars. I just went through the same thing myself a little while ago.

I wound up with a diff vehicle though. It's funny, it's the vehicle that's behind yours in the photo!
a cop truck?
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Old Jul 19, 2010 | 02:59 PM
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thats retail value and its auto, i believe kbb would rate an auto at a higher price than a manual, although most of us would prefer manuals
and that does suck id cry but its a good thing you are ok
Correct. Retail value is what you go by. What the car is worth today if it was sold. That is what he should get. All he has to do is show them this and he should be able to get the difference.
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Old Jul 19, 2010 | 03:00 PM
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Originally Posted by pimpin-tl
You should be able to get at least 15k for it.

http://www.kbb.com/used-cars/acura/t...e=90000#survey

They used NADA to determine the replacement value. It is a 6sp manual with over 90K on it. NADA takes a deduction for manual and for high miles.
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Old Jul 19, 2010 | 03:07 PM
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manual TL with 90k miles is 13,825 on NADA

auto with 90k is 14,325


my auto with 35k is 19k
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Old Jul 19, 2010 | 03:08 PM
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No aftermarket.

I think dealerships, banks, and insurance companies usually use NADA values over KBB since they claim its more accurate.
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Old Jul 19, 2010 | 03:09 PM
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Well I have used KBB and won before with them. So just saying.
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Old Jul 19, 2010 | 03:18 PM
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Originally Posted by pimpin-tl
Well I have used KBB and won before with them. So just saying.
Oh, awesome. I'll give it a shot. I haven't transfered the title yet or received a check.

Did you have Progressive? Did your ins co split the two?
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Old Jul 19, 2010 | 03:52 PM
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State Farm here.
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Old Jul 19, 2010 | 04:02 PM
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If you like the sporty nature of the TL, which I gather you do since you want another 6spd, your not going to like the RL at all. It's a bit slower and a bit more numb to the road than the TL. I'd advise you to check out a 2007 TL-S, you might be able to find a good deal on it! As well do challenge your insurance and make sure you get a fair value from it.
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Old Jul 19, 2010 | 05:20 PM
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lol, insurance uses market value, what the car would sell for at a dealer.. they simply call dealers and ask them how much a car would go for in the condition and options it has...certain cars sell more than KBB and NADA values all day. they need to give you replacement value... thats all i would argue with them... is that they need to give you enough money to put you in a car with similiar miles and condition, I would have the adjuster call your local dealer and ask them what they are going for.... Good luck with everything
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Old Jul 19, 2010 | 06:33 PM
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It could've been much worse. The only important thing is that you are okay.
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Old Jul 19, 2010 | 07:22 PM
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Originally Posted by pimpin-tl
Correct. Retail value is what you go by. What the car is worth today if it was sold. That is what he should get. All he has to do is show them this and he should be able to get the difference.
Your KBB listing is for an automatic TL. 6SPD would cost 2k less.

Update* Using my zip code and putting 6 SPD gave me $15k
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Old Jul 19, 2010 | 07:22 PM
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Sorry to hear about you loss, glad you are ok. Time for a Type-S now
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Old Jul 19, 2010 | 07:24 PM
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^ you might have to.....
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Old Jul 19, 2010 | 07:42 PM
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totaled damn sorry to hear that
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Old Jul 19, 2010 | 08:49 PM
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Wow looks like the front got shredded =(

Sorry for your loss =(
Glad you're okay.
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Sorry.
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Old Jul 19, 2010 | 09:10 PM
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I'm actually kind of surprised they totaled it. Probably a good thing though, it wouldn've been the same after the repairs.

Have you looked at other cars? G35 quickly comes to mind, and you could get some for a nice bit cheaper.
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Old Jul 19, 2010 | 09:31 PM
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That's funny about the G35.. it came to my mind as well

Glad to hear you're ok OP
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Old Jul 19, 2010 | 09:44 PM
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Glad that your okay. I also had an accident with mine. not a good sight to see your TL get hit by another car.
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Old Jul 19, 2010 | 09:52 PM
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I'd keep it and fix it
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Old Jul 19, 2010 | 10:51 PM
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Dang man sorry to hear about the accident. Did your air bags deploy?
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damn...get a RL...

change is good lol
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Old Jul 20, 2010 | 01:29 AM
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Im sure the bags went off if the totaled it.
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Old Jul 20, 2010 | 06:22 PM
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lol, insurance uses market value, what the car would sell for at a dealer.. they simply call dealers and ask them how much a car would go for in the condition and options it has...certain cars sell more than KBB and NADA values all day. they need to give you replacement value... thats all i would argue with them... is that they need to give you enough money to put you in a car with similiar miles and condition, I would have the adjuster call your local dealer and ask them what they are going for.... Good luck with everything

Unfortunately this is just wrong. Your insurance company will owe the actual cash value (ACV) of the car. There are multiple sources for this number. Most insurance companies including Progressive uses NADA's business version for an ACV- not the public on line version. They take the clean retail value of the car with the options and mileage factored in. If there is any prior damage to the car they then take an additional deduction. That is how they made their offer to you. You can argue the value of the car, but ultimately the value of the car stands. Your insurance policy likely has an appraisal clause that states if you dispute the value of the car you and the insurance company can each hire an independent appraiser and they will average the two out for your settlement. This will not get you anywhere- the value will be similar to their offer and then you have to pay for your appraisal. Unless your insurance policy was written so that you get a comprable replacement, then they only owe you for the ACV of the car.
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Old Jul 20, 2010 | 06:26 PM
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Sorry to hear about your accident. The good news is I found your new car . Awesome deal on this TL.

http://www.autotrader.com/fyc/vdp.js...standard=false
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Unfortunately this is just wrong. Your insurance company will owe the actual cash value (ACV) of the car. There are multiple sources for this number. Most insurance companies including Progressive uses NADA's business version for an ACV- not the public on line version. They take the clean retail value of the car with the options and mileage factored in. If there is any prior damage to the car they then take an additional deduction. That is how they made their offer to you. You can argue the value of the car, but ultimately the value of the car stands. Your insurance policy likely has an appraisal clause that states if you dispute the value of the car you and the insurance company can each hire an independent appraiser and they will average the two out for your settlement. This will not get you anywhere- the value will be similar to their offer and then you have to pay for your appraisal. Unless your insurance policy was written so that you get a comprable replacement, then they only owe you for the ACV of the car.
This is PERFECT! I could not explain it better myself! I worked for Progressive for 2-3 years and dealt all with PD and total losses. Just left less then a year ago. KBB...well... is always wrong. NADA is a good start but like stated in the quote we use a different version and after any prior damage (inc. door dings, dirty int, and scrapes) deducted the REAL ACV is reached.
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Old Jul 21, 2010 | 04:48 PM
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Originally Posted by n3o
Sorry to hear about your accident. The good news is I found your new car . Awesome deal on this TL.

http://www.autotrader.com/fyc/vdp.js...standard=false
Only thing it's missing is black/ebony interior!


Hey OP, wanna buy an '05 NBP A/T?
I'll buy this one... switch over all my mods and you buy my car?
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Old Jul 21, 2010 | 04:59 PM
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when i totled my car a few years back, i went and found the exact car for sale at a local lot, got the sales price, added tax title and license, and gave all that info to the insurance (not my insurance as the wreck wasn't my fault)...i basically said i wanted the exact same car with similar mileage that i had on it when i wrecked...this argument got me about $1,000 more then the original quote (statefarm)....

if nothing else its worth a try for sure
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I'd keep it and fix it
First thing that came to my mind too
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Old Jul 22, 2010 | 12:38 AM
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Thanks for all the input everyone. I've actually found a better deal on a 60k TL with 6sp, aspec, nav, and tint.

I'd love to pick up a type-s, but just can't bring myself to spend the money just to rack up miles like crazy for work (1100-1500 each week).

I've disputed the cash value already. I didn't know you could include tax as well. The rep just used NADA which deducts for 6sp and I explained that everyone selling a manual is asking more since they are so rare. I will have to call her to ask about tax.
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Old Jul 22, 2010 | 12:41 AM
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I've thought about buying it back, but it had some paint work done before I bought it that wasn't very clean anyways. I have a friend that is thinking of buying it from me if the buy back is low enough. I heard 15-20%, but dont know for sure.
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