Torque Steer "addressed" is this true?
09-27-2005, 12:15 AM
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Torque Steer "addressed" is this true?
I was reading this article:
http://www.internetautoguide.com/rev...acura/tl/2006/
Was kind of lengthy but they say this:
"For 2006, the Acura TL benefits from a handful of changes. The most important change for 2006 is an active system to control torque steer, the car's one dynamic Achilles' heel. A tire-pressure monitoring system is now standard equipment, and there are a couple of new colors. Acura TL is a midsize, front-wheel-drive, four-door sedan powered by a 3.2-liter V6 engine. Acura offers the TL in only one trim level ($32,900). Nearly every luxury feature comes standard and there are few options."
I knew about the TPMS and the extended powertrain warranty. This was the first I've ever heard of variable assist steering or anything having to do with torque steer.
Anyone have any info to back this up? I'd love to test this out as soon as an '06 hits the lot, but I dont think theres a dealer in my area that would let me test the car alone
http://www.internetautoguide.com/rev...acura/tl/2006/
Was kind of lengthy but they say this:
"For 2006, the Acura TL benefits from a handful of changes. The most important change for 2006 is an active system to control torque steer, the car's one dynamic Achilles' heel. A tire-pressure monitoring system is now standard equipment, and there are a couple of new colors. Acura TL is a midsize, front-wheel-drive, four-door sedan powered by a 3.2-liter V6 engine. Acura offers the TL in only one trim level ($32,900). Nearly every luxury feature comes standard and there are few options."
I knew about the TPMS and the extended powertrain warranty. This was the first I've ever heard of variable assist steering or anything having to do with torque steer.
Anyone have any info to back this up? I'd love to test this out as soon as an '06 hits the lot, but I dont think theres a dealer in my area that would let me test the car alone
09-27-2005, 01:02 AM
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Where'd you get this? Acura's site has different price, and what is standard now that wasnt before??
2006 TL 5-Speed Automatic Starts at $33,325
2006 TL 6-Speed Manual Starts at $33,325
2006 TL 5-Speed Automatic with Navigation System Starts at $35,325
2006 TL 6-Speed Manual with Navigation System Starts at $35,325
2006 TL 6-Speed Manual with High Performance Tires Starts at $33,525
2006 TL 6-Speed Manual with High Performance Tires and Navigation System Starts at $35,525
2006 TL 5-Speed Automatic Starts at $33,325
2006 TL 6-Speed Manual Starts at $33,325
2006 TL 5-Speed Automatic with Navigation System Starts at $35,325
2006 TL 6-Speed Manual with Navigation System Starts at $35,325
2006 TL 6-Speed Manual with High Performance Tires Starts at $33,525
2006 TL 6-Speed Manual with High Performance Tires and Navigation System Starts at $35,525
09-27-2005, 01:35 AM
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Yes, the TL has a new system that reduces torque steer.
http://hondanews.com/CatID3011?mid=2...57124&mime=asc
Torque steer (the tendency for some front wheel drive cars to pull to the left or right during hard acceleration, especially in a turn) can be accentuated in high-performance front wheel drive cars when they are equipped with a limited slip differential. For 2006, Acura has taken steps to reduce torque steer in TLs equipped with a manual transmission. When the TL is in first or second gear, input from gear position, speed and steering angle sensors is used by the ECU to reduce power during acceleration, thus reducing torque steer. In first gear, torque can be reduced between 13 and 27 percent at full throttle, while in second gear, torque is reduced between zero and 10 percent. Torque output is reduced proportionately based on steering input--the larger the steering angle, the greater the reduction in torque. For those desiring maximum possible acceleration switching off the VSA also eliminates this torque reduction. This steering enhancement allows the TL to maintain the sporty, fun-to-drive character while providing more precise steering control.
Hydraulic steering dampers built into the system further improve stability during cornering and at high speeds. A one-way kickback valve decreases kickback in the steering wheel that can be caused by road irregularities. The hydraulic valve closes when it senses road irregularities, impeding disturbances to the steering wheel.
Increasing the stiffness of the steering gearbox mounting and the rear sub frame also maximizes steering linearity.
Hydraulic steering dampers built into the system further improve stability during cornering and at high speeds. A one-way kickback valve decreases kickback in the steering wheel that can be caused by road irregularities. The hydraulic valve closes when it senses road irregularities, impeding disturbances to the steering wheel.
Increasing the stiffness of the steering gearbox mounting and the rear sub frame also maximizes steering linearity.
09-27-2005, 02:34 AM
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Raheel: Its from that link I noted just before the quote. I actually didnt even notice that price in there, but that does look like an invoice price and not MSRP. I wouldnt mind one bit if i found a NAV '06 for 32,900 though, i'd buy it right now!
Ken1997TL: Ahh, I've read that b4 but I think my ADD prevented me from digesting that part of information. Am I reading it wrong though or does it pretty much sound like the equal of reducing pressure on the gas pedal?
Ken1997TL: Ahh, I've read that b4 but I think my ADD prevented me from digesting that part of information. Am I reading it wrong though or does it pretty much sound like the equal of reducing pressure on the gas pedal?
09-27-2005, 12:46 PM
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Originally Posted by spool32
Raheel: Its from that link I noted just before the quote. I actually didnt even notice that price in there, but that does look like an invoice price and not MSRP. I wouldnt mind one bit if i found a NAV '06 for 32,900 though, i'd buy it right now!
Ken1997TL: Ahh, I've read that b4 but I think my ADD prevented me from digesting that part of information. Am I reading it wrong though or does it pretty much sound like the equal of reducing pressure on the gas pedal?
Ken1997TL: Ahh, I've read that b4 but I think my ADD prevented me from digesting that part of information. Am I reading it wrong though or does it pretty much sound like the equal of reducing pressure on the gas pedal?
Not sure what price that is because that's too high to be invoice.
09-27-2005, 12:54 PM
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Originally Posted by Ken1997TL
Yes, the TL has a new system that reduces torque steer.
http://hondanews.com/CatID3011?mid=2...57124&mime=asc
http://hondanews.com/CatID3011?mid=2...57124&mime=asc
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09-27-2005, 01:09 PM
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Originally Posted by gt1
Correct me if I am wrong, but all this "system" does is reducing throttle during accelerated turns, something that anyone who cares can do himself.
09-27-2005, 02:03 PM
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I would prefer if they spent the time and money on other aspects like quality. I know they want to make a car where if you floor it you cannot get into trouble because the car nanny comes along and says no no. Same way for slamming on the brakes... Sure some of this is for safety, yet it concerns me that they are using software to control all this. More code to screw up... is all.
06-10-2006, 11:52 PM
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Response to 2006 TL torque steer
I'm new to this forum, having just purchased a new 2006 TL and was looking for ways to improve performance (acceleration). I came across your question about torque steer. This is my first TL, and I can say that torque steer IS my only complaint. So, I don't know how bad it was before, but if it's any better, now, then people must have been plowing into parked cars, pedestrians and curbs due to torque steer. Now, I'll continue to try to find a way to ask a question about performance enhancements, but this site seems tricky.
Originally Posted by spool32
I was reading this article:
http://www.internetautoguide.com/rev...acura/tl/2006/
Was kind of lengthy but they say this:
"For 2006, the Acura TL benefits from a handful of changes. The most important change for 2006 is an active system to control torque steer, the car's one dynamic Achilles' heel. A tire-pressure monitoring system is now standard equipment, and there are a couple of new colors. Acura TL is a midsize, front-wheel-drive, four-door sedan powered by a 3.2-liter V6 engine. Acura offers the TL in only one trim level ($32,900). Nearly every luxury feature comes standard and there are few options."
I knew about the TPMS and the extended powertrain warranty. This was the first I've ever heard of variable assist steering or anything having to do with torque steer.
Anyone have any info to back this up? I'd love to test this out as soon as an '06 hits the lot, but I dont think theres a dealer in my area that would let me test the car alone
http://www.internetautoguide.com/rev...acura/tl/2006/
Was kind of lengthy but they say this:
"For 2006, the Acura TL benefits from a handful of changes. The most important change for 2006 is an active system to control torque steer, the car's one dynamic Achilles' heel. A tire-pressure monitoring system is now standard equipment, and there are a couple of new colors. Acura TL is a midsize, front-wheel-drive, four-door sedan powered by a 3.2-liter V6 engine. Acura offers the TL in only one trim level ($32,900). Nearly every luxury feature comes standard and there are few options."
I knew about the TPMS and the extended powertrain warranty. This was the first I've ever heard of variable assist steering or anything having to do with torque steer.
Anyone have any info to back this up? I'd love to test this out as soon as an '06 hits the lot, but I dont think theres a dealer in my area that would let me test the car alone
06-11-2006, 03:22 AM
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my 06 manual still has tons of torque steer. i like everything about this car except the torque steer. i use this car as my family car, so it's not a big deal for me. this car needs rear drive to arise to true sports sedan status.
06-11-2006, 09:22 AM
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My 2006 MT may have some torque steer, but it is pretty well controlled and predictable - and rare.
Now my prior car, a 2002 Maxima SE (also 6MT), was horrible. Scary bad.
Compared to that, the TL is a dream.
Now my prior car, a 2002 Maxima SE (also 6MT), was horrible. Scary bad.
Compared to that, the TL is a dream.
06-11-2006, 09:41 AM
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Sounds like they did something just to say they did something. Cutting torque 27% isn't going to eliminate torque steer, only reduce it by about 27%. The high figure is probably with the wheel turned quite a bit, i.e. sharp turns where only an idiot would be using full throttle anyway.
06-11-2006, 12:25 PM
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Whats so tricky about this site? Its all in how you search. Just choose the right words. If you have questions dont hesistate to ask, just make sure you search first. Im willing to bet we've discussed it before.
06-11-2006, 07:33 PM
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Since I bought the PZeros I have noticed almost no torque steer..........maybe when they wear but now these grab the road unlike the Turanzas and I can actually control the car 100% of the time ..... 
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Since I bought the PZeros I have noticed almost no torque steer..........maybe when they wear but now these grab the road unlike the Turanzas and I can actually control the car 100% of the time .....
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correct me if im wrong, but isnt the vsa supposed to cut off power anyway when something slips of goes wrong with the front tires. so what really is the difference between the 2005 vsa and 2006. imo i think that acura is just tryin to get around the fact that they need SHAWD on the TL. bec all the 2006 system really does is cut off power at full throttle whether or not traction is lost or not lost(torque steer) resulting in slower 0-60 times with vsa on... and anyways, usually when we are flooring it, the steering wheel is being held TIIIGHHHHTTT.
correct me if im wrong is acura almost tryin to fix torque steer by "adressing" is to the public...?
p.s. i still luv acura, (Dear acura: stop all the development in any project u have and make sh-awd available on the accord/tl, ul make alot more money that way
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correct me if im wrong is acura almost tryin to fix torque steer by "adressing" is to the public...?
p.s. i still luv acura, (Dear acura: stop all the development in any project u have and make sh-awd available on the accord/tl, ul make alot more money that way
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06-12-2006, 08:58 AM
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Originally Posted by gcjin2007
so what really is the difference between the 2005 vsa and 2006.
Increasing the stiffness of the steering gearbox mounting and the rear sub frame also maximizes steering linearity.
. all acura is doin is slowing the car down to "address" torque steer.
06-12-2006, 09:55 PM
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This is a BIG draw Back of our car! We (of course) are not alone. After test drives. All the over 200hp cars have this problem. IMHO.
I agree it is ssooo not fixed!
I agree it is ssooo not fixed!
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the last gen of honda preludes had an SH model that addressed this especially in turns, so after 8yrs or so your telling me the brilliance at honda then hasn't blossomed even more by 2006 to radically develop it for the v6 application? the best they can do is reduce power, all they did was add another traction control device.
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Now here's a guy who seaches!
Worn tires may contribute a little to torque steer especially on uneven pavement but new tires won't make a signifigant change either way. It's especially bad with the 6MTs....if you hammer it coming out of a corner in 2nd....hold on for dear life!
Worn tires may contribute a little to torque steer especially on uneven pavement but new tires won't make a signifigant change either way. It's especially bad with the 6MTs....if you hammer it coming out of a corner in 2nd....hold on for dear life!
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correct me if im wrong, but isnt the vsa supposed to cut off power anyway when something slips of goes wrong with the front tires. so what really is the difference between the 2005 vsa and 2006. imo i think that acura is just tryin to get around the fact that they need SHAWD on the TL. bec all the 2006 system really does is cut off power at full throttle whether or not traction is lost or not lost(torque steer) resulting in slower 0-60 times with vsa on...
2) If you want to get a good 0-60 time, you always turn off the VSA
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