Was just browsing the Honda Japan website, and was looking for the Japanese version of the TL. The Honda Japan lineup (http://www.honda.co.jp/auto-lineup/) is different than the North American (NA) market.

It looks like the Accord in Japan is the TSX in NA (http://www.honda.co.jp/auto-lineup/accord/).
The Integra in Japan is the RSX in NA (http://www.honda.co.jp/auto-lineup/integra/).
The Legend in Japan is the RL in NA (http://www.honda.co.jp/auto-lineup/legend/).

Does anyone know if the TL is sold in Japan? Someone posted that the Inspire (http://www.honda.co.jp/auto-lineup/inspire/) is the Japanese TL, but it doesn't look like it. Does that mean that the 2006 TL will be based on the Japanese Inspire??

 

'96 - '03 US TL was also known as the Honda Inspire in Japan

'04+ TL is unique to Canada and the US

 

2004 TL is US Made for US/Canada market only..

 

don't forget the US Accord is the Honda Inspire in Japan!

 

The current Inspire in JDM market is very close to US Accord. Check its tail.



Sorry, the old TL of 03 was this... http://www.honda.co.jp/auto-lineup/saber/2003/

http://www.honda.co.jp/auto-lineup/s...003/photo_lib/

 

The new Inspire in Japan is now the US model 4 door Accord. I'm thinking that may have been a downgrade being that the previous model was based on the 2nd gen 3.2 TL.

 

Yep, because the Japanese market would not put up with the poor quality on the 3rd gen TL!

 

 

Man, did anyone see that Integra Type-R? That thing had navigation, Recaro seats and a navigation system.

If someone would put the steering wheel on the correct side of the car, we would be set!

 

Inspire is different from US accord. Inspire uses DOHC engine and also it is first Honda V6 engine that uses i-Vtec.

 

hmm you guys being sarcastic or what ?

 

Nope, just telling the truth, Acura took mine back, what does that tell you?

 

notice that the honda version of the TL have fogs down below.

http://www.honda.co.jp/auto-lineup/accord/

 

sorry thTS THE TSX

 

hehheh that's why i picked tsx...just gave up on american (built) cars

 

Baloney - the Acura plant in Marysville has consistently rated at the top of Honda plants worldwide, with lower defects per 100 cars than many Asian plants. Are you implying that they did something in the transition to the 2004 to change that? Back it up. Just for the anecdotals, I owned 2000, 2001 and 2002 Gen2's, and find the 2004 as good if not better, especially my paint.

 

No baloney, check your pm

 

AFAIK, the JDM Inspire uses the same SOHC J30 that the USDM Accord V6 uses. Only its rated at 250hp and has VCM.

Honda Inspire

That said, I can see where you'd make the iVTEC-DOHC correlation seeing as previous iterations of iVTEC were only in DOHC models (RSX-TSX). The new Odyssey has an SOHC iVTEC motor so the Accord and maybe TL will soon follow ( for certain); that should be good for a marginal increase in current HP levels.

 

congratulations to ur 200 hp tsx~

 

i heard that japan will have our tl in 2006.

 

There is no acura in Japan, right???

is Acura only for North America?

 

That YOURS was bad. A far cry from assuming that the entire line is bad.

The factories with the best quality ratings still produce lemons from time to time, and as long as human beings are involved, 100% perfection all of the time is simply not possible. Besides, there are bound to be more bugs than average in a car being sold in its first year, which is why lots of auto writers and experts warn people to stay away from a new model until it's been on the market at least a year.

Honda's Ohio factory is so well regarded that some of their output is shipped to Japan, a country that values high-quality manufactured goods a lot more than we do in the States. That should tell you something.

 

Yes, i read and responded, but it is whack to make implications about a line by your admittedly sad experience - and I feel your pain, brother, as I have been down that road with another Japanese mfr (not an American - hmmm). Acura's overall numbers are up there with the best, and you cannot refute the facts I posted about the Marysville plant - unless you can cite them.

I gauge a car by its engines - and Honda's are the best. How many engine failures are people squawking about here? A handful at most - I would much rather have an engine with ballz and guts (I know the tolerances Honda specs for its suppliers - they are often 4X tighter than others, such as bearings) and a few sagging butt prints and a buzz here and there.

Everyone, stop you whining!

End of rant!

 

US - Other Countries
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ACURA = HONDA
INFINITY = NISSAN
LEXUS = TOYOTA

VOLVO, JAGUAR = FORD

These US brands are for giving a little more prestige and quality to the brand.
they are supposed to treat you better at the dealerships, and complete with higher end brands...

 

That's what I thought. So which one is it?

 

hmmm would be interesting if it is. would it be built here and shipped there or just built there? if so i wonder if the quality would improve at all.

 

AFAIK, the only DOHC V6 Honda has in a production car is in the NSX (C32A).

The 7G AV6 and current Inspire both have SOHC V6, with the JDM version having a couple of added features (VCM and iVTEC being the main difference). The new Accord Hybrid will also have VCM and iVTEC, in addition to IMA. (255hp all told)

Peace.

 

Don't know the exact details, but re-branding also helps them get around some US Trade laws on imported auto's.

 

you can check the info on honda.jp website.

http://www.honda.co.jp/news/2003/4030618-inspire.html

http://www.honda.co.jp/auto-lineup/i...ism/index.html

 

And the 'DOHC' reference is where?

Trust me, if the Inspire's J30A were DOHC, it'd have plenty more than 250hp (which the USDM AV6 can get on premium fuel).

 

the inspire engine is SOHC and the i in i-vtec indicates VCM. it is not the same thing as i-vtec on the k series engines.

 

I've had a Legend, 2001, 2001, and 2004TL.....and I agree! The '04 is the best Acura I've owned.

 

The point was, Elusion stated that the Inspire has a DOHC motor; which it in fact does not. That said, VCM and iVTEC are not the same thing. iVTEC = VTC not, VCM
VTEC Implementation on the Accord Engines

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Acura is sold in US, Canada, and I think Hong Kong. Interesting that Toyota now markets the Lexus in Japan for the first time.

 

Not that it matters, but Toyota started selling Lexus in Korea last year, and Nissan is selling Infiniti in Korea starting a few months ago. I was just there last week. From what I heard, Lexus overtook BMW as the #1 selling import brand in Korea. I also saw a number of Lexus and Infiniti advertising while there.

I'm currently in Taiwan on the last leg of my business trip. It appears Lexus and Infiniti are here as well, as I have seen quite a few of them. (Mostly Lexii though). I also read some documentation, that Honda started selling the USDM Accord here in Taiwan back in April. Those USDM accords are pretty popular here. Suprisingly, I haven't seen a single TSX/JDM Accord in Shanghai, Seoul, or Taipei on this business trip, but I have seen USDM Accords in all those countires. I even saw a Daewoo Arcadia (Acura Legend), rebadged with Acura badges, but I don't think Honda officially sells Acura in Korea.

 

avs007, the Lexus and Infiniti have always been in Taiwan I believe. I seen them when I visited there in 1997.

With all the talk about what TL is really called in Japan, just curious... has anyone actually been to japan?

 

Man, you woke up the old thread...

You don't have to really be there to witness what models are on sale and what not. Go to google them or visit websites... that tells all...

Don't downplay or underestimate other countries' situations... For example, Lexus sites said Lexus starts to set up the dealership and sell cars in Korea (prolly '00), China (prolly '03), Taiwan (prolly '97), Singapore (prolly '01), etc. But, some of them had imported them in the early '90.



PS. I'm not saying you or avs or others made mistakes.

 

yea, talk about reviving an old thread...
Anyway, I just returned from Japan this week. No TLs in Japan. But there are a lot of great Toyotas there that aren't imported to the US. Only saw a few Lexuses. My friend works at Nissan, who told me that there are no Infinitis in Japan (incl the FX).

 

Just Nissan... Infiniti models come from Nissan lineups...


G = Skyline
Q = Cima?
M = Fuga
FX = prolly "no"...

 

wasn't trying to be rude.