TL 6MT vs Cobalt SS (turbo model)
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TL 6MT vs Cobalt SS (turbo model)
Hey guys, long time no talk I moved to Myrtle Beach NC for a job and had the pleasure of running a stock turbo cobalt my 2nd week here
Went twice from a 40mph roll and I pulled 1 car lenght each time. Then he wanted a 20mph roll so I said why not, ended up with the same result. Ended up stopping all runs midway thru 4th gear. Each run I would get a car lenght and it stayed like that, I didn't pull anymore and he didnt inch any closer.
I was alone and he had his gf in the car. I had 2 boxes of cleaning chemicals in the truck (work related) that weighed at least 50 pounds .
It was funny cuz his gf screamed out "now I know that thing aint stock" haha and I told em I had exhaust mods. Precats, Jpipe, Test pipe, Pulley, Checkvalve delete and CAI.
Still nice to know my car runs strong with 114K on the clock
Went twice from a 40mph roll and I pulled 1 car lenght each time. Then he wanted a 20mph roll so I said why not, ended up with the same result. Ended up stopping all runs midway thru 4th gear. Each run I would get a car lenght and it stayed like that, I didn't pull anymore and he didnt inch any closer.
I was alone and he had his gf in the car. I had 2 boxes of cleaning chemicals in the truck (work related) that weighed at least 50 pounds .
It was funny cuz his gf screamed out "now I know that thing aint stock" haha and I told em I had exhaust mods. Precats, Jpipe, Test pipe, Pulley, Checkvalve delete and CAI.
Still nice to know my car runs strong with 114K on the clock
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I thought he would've walked you. No offense, of course.
Either way, great kill, those cars are definetely fast.
Either way, great kill, those cars are definetely fast.
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I thought so too, they trap like 104/105mph or something?? Idk how much his gf weighed but didn't look like she was the skinny type....so maybe that helped me lol
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he should've walked you, but anything can happen on the street!
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Nice run Alex. The Cobalt should've pulled but as already said, anything can happen on the street as we both know/have experienced If his gf wasn't in the car I'm sure it prob would've been dead even. Sounds like a cool girl!
What happened to your exhaust?
What happened to your exhaust?
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Just noticed another 6MT TL ran a Cobalt SS on this site, couple lines down from my thread. Interesting how I pulled a car immediately and it stayed like that while in the other thread/race the TL didn't pull till 4th gear.
We raced 3 times so I'm sure driver error is out of the question...maybe his gf really did have a BIG affect on his cars performance lol they were definitely surprised by the outcome. Should have seen the drivers bug eyes when we pulled next to each other hahahaha he didn't expect that at all.
Could brake boosting have something to do with it? If he didn't brake boost maybe it was enough for me to jump ahead and then keep that distance...idk
We raced 3 times so I'm sure driver error is out of the question...maybe his gf really did have a BIG affect on his cars performance lol they were definitely surprised by the outcome. Should have seen the drivers bug eyes when we pulled next to each other hahahaha he didn't expect that at all.
Could brake boosting have something to do with it? If he didn't brake boost maybe it was enough for me to jump ahead and then keep that distance...idk
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If I find him again I'll be sure to ask for another run, it's a small town and he was a local so it'll be easy to track him down.
On another note I have my car up for sale now, trying to sign a deal on a 135i I've been searching for one for at least a month! Can't wait!! Wanna buy my TL?? haha hope all is well with you man!
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Add a LSD, big down pipes, meth injection & its a low/mid eleven car that is still an excellent street ride.
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Nice choice. Its about as close as you can get to a pure sports car & still have sort of 4 seats. For a relatively small amount of cash low twelve's are right there.
Add a LSD, big down pipes, meth injection & its a low/mid eleven car that is still an excellent street ride.
Add a LSD, big down pipes, meth injection & its a low/mid eleven car that is still an excellent street ride.
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Meth system is pricey $500 + $130 for the elbow but if you are going to run it hard on the street or be a track regular you will need it for the higher level JB4 maps because of our 93 octane fuel. I have seen dynos of your potential car fully bolted up with meth putting out 430WHP. WOO HOO
Top maps can generate 17lbs of boost. With that boost level some guys have dipped into the 11 second range with about the same mods that would be standard for a full bolt-on TL.
I have the $500 JB4 Combo Package which included the laptop link, but can't install it till I finish rebuilding the AC system in my truck. Hope to be done today. The 335is comes with the performance exhaust & with the is package extra oil & water coolers I should be good to go.
The JB4 delivery was fast, maybe 2 days from order. Expect to run the more conservative 1/5 maps so I will not be adding meth at the start. Will be good for upper 12's 111mph or so. Might try map 2 on occasion with some av-gas mixed in the tank
Top maps can generate 17lbs of boost. With that boost level some guys have dipped into the 11 second range with about the same mods that would be standard for a full bolt-on TL.
I have the $500 JB4 Combo Package which included the laptop link, but can't install it till I finish rebuilding the AC system in my truck. Hope to be done today. The 335is comes with the performance exhaust & with the is package extra oil & water coolers I should be good to go.
The JB4 delivery was fast, maybe 2 days from order. Expect to run the more conservative 1/5 maps so I will not be adding meth at the start. Will be good for upper 12's 111mph or so. Might try map 2 on occasion with some av-gas mixed in the tank
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Meth system is pricey $500 + $130 for the elbow but if you are going to run it hard on the street or be a track regular you will need it for the higher level JB4 maps because of our 93 octane fuel. I have seen dynos of your potential car fully bolted up with meth putting out 430WHP. WOO HOO
Top maps can generate 17lbs of boost. With that boost level some guys have dipped into the 11 second range with about the same mods that would be standard for a full bolt-on TL.
I have the $500 JB4 Combo Package which included the laptop link, but can't install it till I finish rebuilding the AC system in my truck. Hope to be done today. The 335is comes with the performance exhaust & with the is package extra oil & water coolers I should be good to go.
The JB4 delivery was fast, maybe 2 days from order. Expect to run the more conservative 1/5 maps so I will not be adding meth at the start. Will be good for upper 12's 111mph or so. Might try map 2 on occasion with some av-gas mixed in the tank
Top maps can generate 17lbs of boost. With that boost level some guys have dipped into the 11 second range with about the same mods that would be standard for a full bolt-on TL.
I have the $500 JB4 Combo Package which included the laptop link, but can't install it till I finish rebuilding the AC system in my truck. Hope to be done today. The 335is comes with the performance exhaust & with the is package extra oil & water coolers I should be good to go.
The JB4 delivery was fast, maybe 2 days from order. Expect to run the more conservative 1/5 maps so I will not be adding meth at the start. Will be good for upper 12's 111mph or so. Might try map 2 on occasion with some av-gas mixed in the tank
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I call bull shit... I raced one at the track right before I sold my boosted 420a t3t4 eclipse. I was pushing 441 at the crank, and I pulled 2-3 car lengths on him, however he was still hanging on. Those things are quick, all he had was a tune and a few bolt ons. I doubt your heavy ass TL could touch it.
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I call bull shit... I raced one at the track right before I sold my boosted 420a t3t4 eclipse. I was pushing 441 at the crank, and I pulled 2-3 car lengths on him, however he was still hanging on. Those things are quick, all he had was a tune and a few bolt ons. I doubt your heavy ass TL could touch it.
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douche bag. I hate ppl comin in with "bullshit"...shit happens, your pos corvette could easily lose to a slower car if you misshift or spin out too much. The least you couldve said is yea it could happen instead you assume I'm lying. Gtfo
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Wasn't it? Just proves my point he's lying. He has to defend himself in 2 posts.
POS corvette eh?
I doubt you would "make all this up" (as you put it). Im just saying you more than likely lost, unless steven hawkins was driving that cobalt SS. Or it was just a regular a cobalt with SS emblems on it.
POS corvette eh?
I doubt you would "make all this up" (as you put it). Im just saying you more than likely lost, unless steven hawkins was driving that cobalt SS. Or it was just a regular a cobalt with SS emblems on it.
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For what its worth stock supercharged Cobalt's run about the same as a TL 6MT all over the 14 second range. The 13 second versions are running typically an extra 3lbs of boost & bigger (42lb) injectors along with the typical bolt ons. The 12 second ones are running bigger turbos & up to 22lbs of boost along with a trash bag to pick up the pieces.
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I call bull shit... I raced one at the track right before I sold my boosted 420a t3t4 eclipse. I was pushing 441 at the crank, and I pulled 2-3 car lengths on him, however he was still hanging on. Those things are quick, all he had was a tune and a few bolt ons. I doubt your heavy ass TL could touch it.
https://acurazine.com/forums/showthr...t=13.9+finally
http://www.insideline.com/chevrolet/...-ss-coupe.html
http://www.caranddriver.com/reviews/...take_road_test
http://www.motortrend.com/roadtests/...s_first_drive/
http://www.dragtimes.com/Chevrolet-C...lip-20456.html
http://www.dragtimes.com/Chevrolet-C...lip-18537.html
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hahahahah
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I have no idea what bearing your encounter with a tuned/bolted, Turbo Cobalt has to do with this encounter with a stock one. Please insert foot in mouth and do some reading. Thanks.
https://acurazine.com/forums/showthr...t=13.9+finally
http://www.insideline.com/chevrolet/...-ss-coupe.html
http://www.caranddriver.com/reviews/...take_road_test
http://www.motortrend.com/roadtests/...s_first_drive/
http://www.dragtimes.com/Chevrolet-C...lip-20456.html
http://www.dragtimes.com/Chevrolet-C...lip-18537.html
https://acurazine.com/forums/showthr...t=13.9+finally
http://www.insideline.com/chevrolet/...-ss-coupe.html
http://www.caranddriver.com/reviews/...take_road_test
http://www.motortrend.com/roadtests/...s_first_drive/
http://www.dragtimes.com/Chevrolet-C...lip-20456.html
http://www.dragtimes.com/Chevrolet-C...lip-18537.html
Thank you grandfather time for the hindsight!
99% of turbo cobalt owners are going to mod it. 99.9% of turbo cobalt owners thats waste premium fuel to race an acura sedan are going to mod their cars. Hows that for bearing old man?
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^ You want me to cite my references also?
I told you, I raced on in a fully built, t3t4 eclipse. I'll break it down for ya, I know how the Alzheimers is. I was pushing damn near 450hp. 8 550cc injectors forged internals, megasquirt, the whole shabang. This dude, in a semi stock cobalt ss was running low 13s, high 12s I believe. He was right behind me. And I know his shit was running race fuel or anything like that because they inspect your car before you are allowed to race and anything over 400hp, they make u wear a helmet, (he did not have one on) and anything over 600 I believe, you need a rollcage.
THEREFORE...
I told you, I raced on in a fully built, t3t4 eclipse. I'll break it down for ya, I know how the Alzheimers is. I was pushing damn near 450hp. 8 550cc injectors forged internals, megasquirt, the whole shabang. This dude, in a semi stock cobalt ss was running low 13s, high 12s I believe. He was right behind me. And I know his shit was running race fuel or anything like that because they inspect your car before you are allowed to race and anything over 400hp, they make u wear a helmet, (he did not have one on) and anything over 600 I believe, you need a rollcage.
THEREFORE...
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LOL @ this guy. You have to remember that bolt ons/tune in a turbo car make it MUCH quicker. This isn't a TL we're talking about. (Not to take anything away from the J series, but the gains don't replicate stock turbo cars for obvious reasons). With that said, the results from the OPs run with a bone stock car with a 'portly' g/f in the passenger seat don't seem that far off. Look at the track times bone stock. Most are in the low 14s @101-102.
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^ You want me to cite my references also?
I told you, I raced on in a fully built, t3t4 eclipse. I'll break it down for ya, I know how the Alzheimers is. I was pushing damn near 450hp. 8 550cc injectors forged internals, megasquirt, the whole shabang. This dude, in a semi stock cobalt ss was running low 13s, high 12s I believe. He was right behind me. And I know his shit was running race fuel or anything like that because they inspect your car before you are allowed to race and anything over 400hp, they make u wear a helmet, (he did not have one on) and anything over 600 I believe, you need a rollcage.
THEREFORE...
I told you, I raced on in a fully built, t3t4 eclipse. I'll break it down for ya, I know how the Alzheimers is. I was pushing damn near 450hp. 8 550cc injectors forged internals, megasquirt, the whole shabang. This dude, in a semi stock cobalt ss was running low 13s, high 12s I believe. He was right behind me. And I know his shit was running race fuel or anything like that because they inspect your car before you are allowed to race and anything over 400hp, they make u wear a helmet, (he did not have one on) and anything over 600 I believe, you need a rollcage.
THEREFORE...
He raced a stock Cobalt SS Turbo .. not a "semi" stock.
Alex's car is pretty quick with exhaust mods, his car was 102mph+ in the quarter mile .. a small amount of driver error with the added weight could put it at a disadvantage.
Sounds plausible to me, we don't care about your "dude" with a modded Cobalt SS.
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Did you read his story?
He raced a stock Cobalt SS Turbo .. not a "semi" stock.
Alex's car is pretty quick with exhaust mods, his car was 102mph+ in the quarter mile .. a small amount of driver error with the added weight puts it at a disadvantage.
Sounds plausible to me, we don't care about your "dude" with a modded Cobalt SS.
He raced a stock Cobalt SS Turbo .. not a "semi" stock.
Alex's car is pretty quick with exhaust mods, his car was 102mph+ in the quarter mile .. a small amount of driver error with the added weight puts it at a disadvantage.
Sounds plausible to me, we don't care about your "dude" with a modded Cobalt SS.
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It would take a lot for a TL 6MT / Accord 6MT to keep up with a lightly modded Cobalt SS. We both know they make great power for little money, turbos =
Then again, a full bolt on J30 / J32 can make anywhere up to 260+ without a tune and theoretically 300+ with ... Cobalt SSs make that with a tap of a button with 400 less pounds to lug around.
Then again, a full bolt on J30 / J32 can make anywhere up to 260+ without a tune and theoretically 300+ with ... Cobalt SSs make that with a tap of a button with 400 less pounds to lug around.
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Small turbos spool up pretty fast so I don’t think loading it on the line would matter to much getting out of the hole. Its more likely it would over torque the tires & lose traction.
The JB4 you are thinking about if you get the 135 has the capability to dial boost back in both first & second gears to keep the tires from frying when you launch.
The JB4 you are thinking about if you get the 135 has the capability to dial boost back in both first & second gears to keep the tires from frying when you launch.
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