is tiptronic anything like a manual?
11-29-2009, 09:42 PM
#6
its faster than a MT gear change, doesnt wear out your hip joint, it also has computer limited revs so you can try a downshift and it will be denied--
read the owner book and try it out- fun for drivers who like to maximize torque off the apex for best exit speed
All others use D5
read the owner book and try it out- fun for drivers who like to maximize torque off the apex for best exit speed
All others use D5
11-29-2009, 10:33 PM
#7
07 TL-S
^ exactly. it's fun to use. i use it like 70% of the time honestly. there are a lot of hills where i live and i dont really like how early auto switches to 5th gear so i always use tiptronic
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11-29-2009, 10:58 PM
#8
not as annoying as manual 
no one owning a manual would say it's good if they had to drive in stop and go traffic every day for 2 hours. transmissions can be replaced - annoying hours of driving cannot! 
no one owning a manual would say it's good if they had to drive in stop and go traffic every day for 2 hours. transmissions can be replaced - annoying hours of driving cannot!
11-29-2009, 11:34 PM
#9
Doesn't work well on our TLs. Too much lag. My friend's 360 Modena on the other hand, is wicked fast. That car shits in milliseconds. You would be much happier with manual tranny on TL, than tiptronic.
11-29-2009, 11:43 PM
#11
no I've got a manual, yeah it bugs me in LA traffic but I don't drive there often. I love my manual, I actually love driving to work because of it. I rented a car, and drove 400 miles to pick up my 6sp Navi, WDP. Just wanted to know what the opinions on the tiptronics were. I'm sure down the road I'll have to buy an auto.
11-30-2009, 12:23 AM
#12
Instructor
given that honda/acura engines have lower power in the lower rpms, Manual is probably much more fun driving than an auto, in terms of taking off from a stop
The thing that hits the tiptronic hard is that it shifts into 2nd for you no matter what, but its useful to have. I'm in auto 99% of the time.
The thing that hits the tiptronic hard is that it shifts into 2nd for you no matter what, but its useful to have. I'm in auto 99% of the time.
11-30-2009, 12:26 AM
#13
Burning Brakes
Nope. The computer responds slowly and the shifting feels "sloppy", although this is a normal characteristic of an auto trans.
The 360 Modena has an automated single-clutch setup so it's completely different from the TL's tiptronic.
@samplemonster: the 07/08 TL lets you bang off the rev limiter in first.
The 360 Modena has an automated single-clutch setup so it's completely different from the TL's tiptronic.
@samplemonster: the 07/08 TL lets you bang off the rev limiter in first.
11-30-2009, 12:38 AM
#14
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Correct. Totally different animal. I guess on entry level luxury sedan like TL, it would cost way too much money to implement it "the right way". It is what it is, and serves it's purpose when you don't want your auto "hunt" for gears, but I would call it Sport Mode. Lol.
Correct. Totally different animal. I guess on entry level luxury sedan like TL, it would cost way too much money to implement it "the right way". It is what it is, and serves it's purpose when you don't want your auto "hunt" for gears, but I would call it Sport Mode. Lol.
11-30-2009, 09:20 AM
#16
Instructor
nope. but the paddle shifters on my TL-S hold the gears well, blips the throttle on downshifts, and have a quicker response than most tiptronics i've driven. it's a decent compromise for us city dwellers.
11-30-2009, 10:39 AM
#17
piggy= be very aware the MT cars will let you miss a shift and overrev instantly- thats a 4 grand mistake!!
11-30-2009, 11:19 AM
#18
Three Wheelin'
Yea, well said- let me ask, do you think the paddles, or the shifter itself shifts faster? I would think they are the same, but I believe that the shifter itself seems to be just quicker on the gear shifts.
11-30-2009, 04:31 PM
#20
07 TL-S
i never really use the paddles during normal driving. however, when i went to our austin acura meet and we were taking those twisty backroads the whole time, i was using the paddles the entire time because it's easier to keep both hands on the steering wheel taking those turns at a high rate of speed.
one of my friends who test drove a 370Z said he could not stand the paddles because they are actually on the steering column, not on the steering wheel like our TLs. so when you are taking turns or whatever, it's kinda like u have to reach thru the steering wheel. it really doesn't make sense why they did it that way... terrible design.
11-30-2009, 04:46 PM
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Nope not the same as mt, but it is convenient at times, especially in snowy conditions..you can take off in second gear so you avoid spinning out, well i do that
11-30-2009, 04:56 PM
#22
The most important advantage of the 6MT..............THE 6!!!
Shorter gear ratios mean more torque IN EVERY GEAR (yes even 6th). Funny thing also is that a manual gearbox is considerably more effecient. Even in spite of it's shorter gearing and higher cruise rpm. I easily manage 31mpg in my 05 6MT, but could only pull 29mpg trying as hard as possible in an 08 5AT loaner. In my 6MT I onced managed 31mpg two way average driving city streets (stoplight to stoplight) for a 30 mile round trip.
Shorter gear ratios mean more torque IN EVERY GEAR (yes even 6th). Funny thing also is that a manual gearbox is considerably more effecient. Even in spite of it's shorter gearing and higher cruise rpm. I easily manage 31mpg in my 05 6MT, but could only pull 29mpg trying as hard as possible in an 08 5AT loaner. In my 6MT I onced managed 31mpg two way average driving city streets (stoplight to stoplight) for a 30 mile round trip.
11-30-2009, 07:35 PM
#23
Team Owner
A manual is a manual and an auto is an auto.
You can make up all the fancy terms for a manually shifted auto but it still has a torque convertor and planetary gears.
The Ferrari uses and automated manual transmission. It's a true manual in which the computer does the shifting and clutching for you. It uses an actual clutch with 100% coupling unlike the torque convertor equipped auto.
Tiptronic is just like the older column shifted or console shifted older automatics, it's just in a more convenient shifter friendly setup.
You can make up all the fancy terms for a manually shifted auto but it still has a torque convertor and planetary gears.
The Ferrari uses and automated manual transmission. It's a true manual in which the computer does the shifting and clutching for you. It uses an actual clutch with 100% coupling unlike the torque convertor equipped auto.
Tiptronic is just like the older column shifted or console shifted older automatics, it's just in a more convenient shifter friendly setup.
12-01-2009, 08:17 AM
#24
Instructor
I drove the automatic 3G TL couple of times and it felt very slow. Drove the 4G TL and felt slow too. Nothing like the transmission in 335i. BMW 335i/535i has the fastest auto transmission, TL has one of the slowest autos, at least that's how it felt. IS350 was somewhere in between. BMW 328i auto feels similar to the TL.
For my next car, I'm looking to go with auto trans (I'm still debating this, I drove MT cars for 15 years). 4G TL doesn't fit my driving style at all. This transmission is a lot better for an SUV (like the MDX), not for a "sports sedan".
For my next car, I'm looking to go with auto trans (I'm still debating this, I drove MT cars for 15 years). 4G TL doesn't fit my driving style at all. This transmission is a lot better for an SUV (like the MDX), not for a "sports sedan".
12-01-2009, 08:21 AM
#25
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I drove the automatic 3G TL couple of times and it felt very slow. Drove the 4G TL and felt slow too. Nothing like the transmission in 335i. BMW 335i/535i has the fastest auto transmission, TL has one of the slowest autos, at least that's how it felt. IS350 was somewhere in between. BMW 328i auto feels similar to the TL.
For my next car, I'm looking to go with auto trans (I'm still debating this, I drove MT cars for 15 years). 4G TL doesn't fit my driving style at all. This transmission is a lot better for an SUV (like the MDX), not for a "sports sedan".
For my next car, I'm looking to go with auto trans (I'm still debating this, I drove MT cars for 15 years). 4G TL doesn't fit my driving style at all. This transmission is a lot better for an SUV (like the MDX), not for a "sports sedan".
12-01-2009, 08:21 AM
#26
Team Owner
Those of you that hate the TL's shifting should drive a mid '90s Ford minivan. Shifts would take a second or longer and slowly slide into gear.
12-01-2009, 08:24 AM
#27
Instructor
Maybe that's what it was. I couldn't get a handle why it took so long to shift using the paddle shifters on 4G TL. Comparing the the steptronic on 335i, the tiptronic on 4G TL was slow. I drove the 3G TL auto several years ago when my TL was in for service, so I might not remember correctly, but it felt similar to 4G TL.
12-01-2009, 10:53 AM
#28
the shifter is nothing but an electrical sensor that sends your request to the computer for analysis and processing or denial
Doesnt matter if its on the dash or wheel or wherever-
not like the old days of direct mechanical linkage between you and the trans
all downshifting to be in the correct gear to accellerate off the apex needs to be done before entering the turn- not in the middle of it! So both hands are free to steer
its brake--downshift, turn down to the apex- easy on the gas- let the steering input out,,more gas-full throttle at the exit
Doesnt matter if its on the dash or wheel or wherever-
not like the old days of direct mechanical linkage between you and the trans
all downshifting to be in the correct gear to accellerate off the apex needs to be done before entering the turn- not in the middle of it! So both hands are free to steer
its brake--downshift, turn down to the apex- easy on the gas- let the steering input out,,more gas-full throttle at the exit
12-02-2009, 12:48 PM
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Nothing feels like a CVT trans. There is no shift or even change in rpm when accelerating. Just an annoying solid drone from the engine as you pull upwards towards freeway speeds. They are the most horrible feeling transmission I've ever drove (Nissan).
12-02-2009, 02:16 PM
#31
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Agreed. Driving the girlfriend's Murano you just get this drone, one rpms the whole time. I would hate to drive a CVT equipped car with exhaust.
12-02-2009, 05:17 PM
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I use the tiptronic 100% of the times....i wanted a manual but didnt wanna deal with whole bunch of shifts in traffic !!!!
i grew up driving stick shifts (Auto's didnt exist in India when i started driving).....and i luv the way they are and give you 100% control.....
but when it comes to having fun + having 80% control + no hassle in traffic, i did go for a triptronic in a heartbeat !!!
paddle shifters are fun but dont give u as much control over the gears as a tiptronic would......
now u cant do a burnout, drift, blah blah in the tiptronic, but damn the shifts are quick and you can get off the line almost as quick as the MT.....plus if u downshift into a wrong gear ($4000 mistake zone), it wont let u shift.....
if i have a rear wheel drive sports car (BMW M, CTS-V, any coupe/roadster).....i WOULD get a stick shift.....for a front wheel drive i would rather get a tiptronic
i grew up driving stick shifts (Auto's didnt exist in India when i started driving).....and i luv the way they are and give you 100% control.....
but when it comes to having fun + having 80% control + no hassle in traffic, i did go for a triptronic in a heartbeat !!!
paddle shifters are fun but dont give u as much control over the gears as a tiptronic would......
now u cant do a burnout, drift, blah blah in the tiptronic, but damn the shifts are quick and you can get off the line almost as quick as the MT.....plus if u downshift into a wrong gear ($4000 mistake zone), it wont let u shift.....
if i have a rear wheel drive sports car (BMW M, CTS-V, any coupe/roadster).....i WOULD get a stick shift.....for a front wheel drive i would rather get a tiptronic
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12-02-2009, 08:22 PM
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its faster than a MT gear change, doesnt wear out your hip joint, it also has computer limited revs so you can try a downshift and it will be denied--
read the owner book and try it out- fun for drivers who like to maximize torque off the apex for best exit speed
All others use D5
read the owner book and try it out- fun for drivers who like to maximize torque off the apex for best exit speed
All others use D5
if youre worried about this you should not be driving stick. pretty hard to do this actually in the TL. 5 to 2 is a BIG mistake.
12-02-2009, 08:31 PM
#37
Team Owner
Think about it, in a manual you disengage one gear and engage another. In an automatic, one clutchpack is releasing while the other is engaging. It happens at the same time so you could say with an auto there is no interruption to power flow.
12-02-2009, 08:32 PM
#38
Team Owner
It's a dual clutch automated manual trans but it's still a manual. While shifts may be measured in miliseconds, they're still not instant like an auto is.
12-02-2009, 08:53 PM
#39
He's right, an auto will always shift faster than any manual.
Think about it, in a manual you disengage one gear and engage another. In an automatic, one clutchpack is releasing while the other is engaging. It happens at the same time so you could say with an auto there is no interruption to power flow.
Think about it, in a manual you disengage one gear and engage another. In an automatic, one clutchpack is releasing while the other is engaging. It happens at the same time so you could say with an auto there is no interruption to power flow.
how is it a manual when the process is automated? there is nothing manual about it. no clutch pedal, no gear shift. seems like its just a different type of automatic.
12-02-2009, 09:01 PM
#40
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I know the mechanics behind it and I know the process is faster, but when i drive an automatic it just seems like there is a lot of slippage between gears in order to make accel. seem smooth. Probably just my head messing with me but it seems like that.
how is it a manual when the process is automated? there is nothing manual about it. no clutch pedal, no gear shift. seems like its just a different type of automatic.
how is it a manual when the process is automated? there is nothing manual about it. no clutch pedal, no gear shift. seems like its just a different type of automatic.
An automatic is a completely different animal. It doesn't shift gears, it applies and releases clutch packs corresponding to the correct permanently meshed planetary gearset. It uses a torque convertor for coupling.
An automated manual is still a manual.