I say Godzilla is going down lol.

This may happen in the next 1-4 weeks depending on when the next Nissan club meeting is around here. A guy at work is coordinating the run, owner seems to be up for it depending on his wife's mood.

So what do you guys think? Friend's stock GN from the throttlebody down (the one in the video racing my TL). It has a bigger turbo, exhaust, fuel pump, and 24psi on 91 octane and methanol but I think I'm going to run it on 100 octane and bring the boost up to 29psi or so. I may let him borrow my slicks because I don't think the Nitto drag radials are up to the task of launching with an AWD car.

GT-R is stock of course. This should be fun and I'll be sure to get it on camera. Anyone care to guess which one will win?

 

Redneck drag race, the gn will win. The gn doesnt work on a road course though so the gtr wins. By the way have you ever seen a modded gnx in action? A friend has one with only like 9 or 10k on the odometer and an upgraded turbo and other stuff. It ran 9.7 or 9.6 on street tires at pomona and then they kicked him out for no roll cage. Cool car though. The vette and viper guys dont dare rev on him when he takes it out on the street.

 

man...tough call. i've never REALLY seen either car in action. money's on the gn though...thing's a freaking beast. however, off the line? gt-r ftw.

 

with 29 psi what do u think you can do 1/4 mile, 11 sec???
You'll prob win, but of course 1 sec. could be dependent on the driver.

 

I would say the GT-R...sorry man...yes get it on tape lol

 

I say the GT-R would win from 0-70.

If you kept with him, you might be able to edge him out over 80 / 90.

Yes, get this on video .. it will be an epic race.

 

gt-r will take the launch, you will catch him at the 5 second mark, he will inch out during shifts but your boost will blow you a half a car in front.

 

does the GTR have the driver mod at least?

 

Nah, on slicks I'll put at least a carlength between us off the start. With the mods I listed on the GN, high 10s are possible on the stock motor and an amazing tune. The car has been deep in the 11s at 24psi already.

 

Drivers race. Has anyone seen the vids of the new z06 taking on the base GTR?

The vette gets him everytime in a straight line. I think it is all going to depend on drivers.

Wait until someone throw a wet kit on one or a bigger turbo

 

I hate cars, your GN will take out the GT-R. That is my strong feeling. The GT-R isn't all that quick in the straight line compare to the Z06. I too would love to see the video. Wish you good luck.


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Thanks! I think it will be close but either way neither car will be embarassed. I feel retarded for living through my friends' cars but at least I do the tuning on them. My car has about 200 more hp and 500lbs lighter than the one in question but I'm over budget for the year on mine.

 

a built gn will beat up on a gtr at the strip but in every other race it will eat your lunch including street racing with street tires on your gn.

 

This is a stock motor GN with a couple bolt ons. Tires are street legal. You would be surprised what a properly set up drag radial car can do to an AWD car on the street...

 

Is a bigger turbo considered part of the small bolt ons.

 

Yes. Just to clarify, because everyone has a different idea of what "bolt-ons" are including me, the motor is stock from the throttlebody down. The engine iteself is factory stock and has never been rebuilt or out of the car.

The turbo is an old TE62 which will support close to 600hp at the crank (not that the car will ever make that much power). It's got methanol injection, exhaust (but factory headers), fuel pump, injectors, and a TT chip with powerlogger and a WB 02. Roughly $1,500 in mods. It's been 11.60s with this combo on dragradials and 24psi boost. For the race it will probably be running a bit more boost. It's a very simple and cheap combo that with proper tuning will go low 11s.

The guy just bought a set of heads from me so after this race is done, the factory heads are getting pulled off and we're installing ported heads, intake, and a small cam.

 

Large/small, big/little.....however it's described, a turbo is still a bolt on.

 

Yeah, some people consider this a "big" bolt-on. For me, it cost just a little more than a J-pipe for the TL and takes less than an hour to install so I've never thought of it as a big deal. The tuning required afterwards can take a while but that's the fun part. That's the cool thing about these cars is factory hp can almost be doubled in a day's work.

To "say when" , the stock turbo can be stretched to bottom 12s and some have gone high 11s but a big turbo is so cheap and easy to install that most people upgrade. Stock turbo would still make a good race with a GT-R. There are plenty bolt-ons left such as throttlebody, upper plenum, headers, intercooler plumbing, etc. We're only doing the heads and cam soon because they're taking up space in my garage and when friend in question wrecks the car I will buy the parts back cheap so I'm benefiting from this lol.

I'm really not too worried about the outcome win or lose, just doing this for fun. This wasn't supposed to be a "which car will win" thread since I'm racing him no matter what, I'm just a little excited to be the first one that I know about to street race a GT-R...........And a domestic turbo 3.8L vs import turbo 3.8L.

 

Yeah, some people consider this a "big" bolt-on. For me, it cost just a little more than a J-pipe for the TL and takes less than an hour to install so I've never thought of it as a big deal. The tuning required afterwards can take a while but that's the fun part. That's the cool thing about these cars is factory hp can almost be doubled in a day's work.

To "say when" , the stock turbo can be stretched to bottom 12s and some have gone high 11s but a big turbo is so cheap and easy to install that most people upgrade. Stock turbo would still make a good race with a GT-R. There are plenty bolt-ons left such as throttlebody, upper plenum, headers, intercooler plumbing, etc. We're only doing the heads and cam soon because they're taking up space in my garage and when friend in question wrecks the car I will buy the parts back cheap so I'm benefiting from this lol.

I'm really not too worried about the outcome win or lose, just doing this for fun. This wasn't supposed to be a "which car will win" thread since I'm racing him no matter what, I'm just a little excited to be the first one that I know about to street race a GT-R...........And a domestic turbo 3.8L vs import turbo 3.8L.

 

When is this going to happen? It's been a while!

 

Hopefully less than 2 weeks. The GN is ready to go anytime, just waiting on the GT-R owner to bring it. Even if I don't have enough time to tune it for 100 octane and put the slicks on, I'm running it. I'm hoping for this weekend but it's out of my hands. The owner is a 50 something guy that I think suggested a race hoping we would back down but I'm not going to talk crap until it passes the 4 week date. 2 weeks to go...

 

Your GN be able to take it.

 

Thanks. Mine wouldn't be a problem but my friend's is mostly stock but still a very solid 11 sec car. Haven't heard a word from the guy. The Nissan Z car club here has some very nice cars but from what I gather, their meetings are a little sporatic. What I'm actually waiting on is the next club meeting, that's when the GT-R is supposed to be there. There is one 10 sec 300ZX TT model that I plan on running with my friend's car. I will post that video of us getting our asses handed to us along with the GT.

 

What do the GNs run stock? 13s?

 

High 13s. A few factory freaks in 32 degree weather have gone bottom 13s. The GNX was a consistant low 13second car with some 12 second timeslips. They were fast for the 80s when the Vette was running high 14s. I remember running around with a K&N boost turned up and a chip, $100 in mods running 12.9s back in the mid 90s and there was just about nothing that would touch it. Things have changed a lot since then and 12.9 is attainable by many factory cars.

The real claim to fame is they will go deep 12s for $500 and lower 11s for $1,500.

 

Isn't that the truth. In the mid 90's I never thought 13 second upscale sedans would be the norm in another decade.

 

I remember when people asked what I ran and when I said 12.9 they were in awe. These days it's no big deal. I could not have imagined that one day I would have to worry about a big boat Mercedes or 4 cylinder STi blowing by me. I'm not willing to spend the money on a built motor for my car so I may have to bow out when factory offerings are running faster than mid 10s.

 

Wow, I would first think the GT-R would make short work out of you but after looking at what you've done to it, I'd say the GT-R guy should be nervous. It was all about the "nasties" in the 90's. I remember people tryin to make their monte carlo ss look like one. I hate cars, how long have you owned your national?

 

Since I was 17 back in 1994. Went to my prom in it, and many other firsts. I'll never get rid of it. Ran 16.3 my first time down the strip not knowing how to drive and went 10.60 the last time I was there 2 years ago. Should be a few tenths quicker now since it's making an extra 100hp.

The race probably isn't going to happen, we've had the car (friend's GN) ready to go for nearly a month and the guy with the GT-R has disappeared. It is, however, fun daily driving it set at 25psi boost.

 

As a GT-R owner I would be more nervous about my vehicle data recorder rather than from competition. Nissan is being very anal about anything that can cause a transmission or engine failure, since an engine rebuild is $50k and some early Asian cars have already been shipped back to Japan for tranny repairs...

 

Since it has launch control, what exactly would it take to get turned down for a transmission or engine failure other than outright abuse like overheating or overrevving?

 

I’ve been reading a magazine and it says that the tranny on the GTR is one of the weakest parts of the car. It cannot handle much more power unless modifications are done. And that’s also why Nissan made it hard to crack the stock ecu or something like that.

 

You'd have to ship the tranny back to japan? I heard after 30k, they make you buy a new engine for your car, is that true?

 

So did the race ever happen? I guess it didn't, but I'm confident the GN would win, since it ran mid-11s on 24psi. 29 psi, it should be in the 10s or close to 11 flat. I'd understand if the guy was scared to run up against a GN though, could end up embarrassing himself.

And no fair on calling it a stock block. 03-04 Cobras have iron blocks too, you can put on a Hellion Turbo kit, push 800+ whp and claim to be "stock" if injectors, fuel pump, etc. aren't considered.

 

The race will never happen. That's what I get for getting excited and posting it on here ahead of time. The GT-R guy has disappeared from the internet and locally.

I've been having fun tuning the GN. 91 octane and methanol injection and I can't get it to detonate. This new meth kit is really awesome. I've been trying to find the threshold but so far, absolutely 0 knock at 27psi. I'm bringing the boost up, letting the guy drive for a day or two and bringing it up some more. Going to turn it up to 28psi when he gets back into town (taking it on a 340 mile trip to Palm Springs) and see what happens. Boost guage only goes to 30psi, if I get to 29psi with no knock, I'm going to start subtracting fuel. So much for having to run race gas.

As for the stock block, it really is factory from the throttlebody down. Intake, valvecovers, etc have never been off and the motor has never been out of the car since it was put in in 1986. It does have a fuelpump, small injector upgrade, exhaust and turbo.

My car, the one in my sig is running a factory 4.1L block with JE pistons and a girdle to help keep everything together. Block, crank, and rods are stock as are heads (ported by myself) intake manifold (also ported) but still factory pieces. The longblock has about $1,200 into it. Pretty cheap. If I didn't do the head and intake porting myself, you could add another $2,000 to the cost.

 

Oh well. for methanol, seems like its a must for high power applications. GNs really are insanely cheap to make fast! Too bad I have a glass axle....

 

How long have you had the Z28? I just noticed. Congrats on your purchase!

The axles don't seem to be that bad as long as you keep it on regular radials and shift nice lol. I was with a guy one time and he had 5 people in it on drag radials and did a revlimiter clutch drop. It was one of the worst sounds I've heard when the axle gave up.

Any mods planned?

 

Thanks a lot!

Plenty of mods planned, but money has been an issue. I want springs/Konis, headers and a cam/heads package but so for the only thing I've gotten are wheels/tires and a Hurst short shifter. I've had it since late Oct 2007, its more of a daily driver for me anyways. Its the AZ update, now signatures show in every post, heh.

Too bad GNs cost so much, despite being so cheap to mod they go for $$$ these days, which makes the mod-affordability kinda moot. I'd love to have one. You should visit the off-topic Car Talk section

 

Not trying to knock this off topic but...

you know that there is this one fast ass GM from socal is talking crap about this one guy from norcal?

I heard there is a battle goin on between socal vs. norcal. I hope you're not the guy, lol..

dude with GM is said to be running 9's..

\Search for King Tom..

 

Going to search for that. Not me, mine is still down, got the new heads on but I haven't worked on it in a month since my dad got back from Iraq. I wouldn't talk too much crap with my 10.60 car, it's still beatable by a few redneck cars.