3G TL (2004-2008)
Sponsored by:
Sponsored by:

synthetic = bad...?????

Thread Tools
 
Search this Thread
 
Old 02-16-2006, 11:57 AM
  #1  
JDM Laser Fogs!
Thread Starter
 
lifetimeofwar's Avatar
 
Join Date: Dec 2005
Location: Stockton, Cali
Age: 35
Posts: 2,048
Received 9 Likes on 6 Posts
synthetic = bad...?????

I have a 05 TL with 3200 miles... my oil change is coming up soon and i want to swich to a synthetic lubrication. I went to the dealership where i got my TL and ask the head parts person If Acura makes a synthetic oil. He told me that he can get me synthetic, but he highly recommends that i dont ???

All my life i thought that synthetic was supposed to be best for your car/engine. I thought that synthetic was to keep your engine running smoother for longer and helping it keep cool. Anyways the head parts guy said "deff. dont use synthetic"

As i was leaving the dealership i stopped by the mechanic shop. I talked to somebody else there and he said the same thing. I run my TL pretty hard, and want an oil to help the engine out. Although oil doesnt add any hp, it could help my TL last longer...

So i just wanted some suggestions/ oppinons one what to do.

Thanks for the help.
Old 02-16-2006, 12:31 PM
  #2  
Safety Car
 
Hawhyen51's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jul 2004
Location: NorCal
Posts: 3,589
Likes: 0
Received 1 Like on 1 Post
A lot of members do use synthetics and those who use blends as well as dinos. There are a number or threads regarding synthetics vs dinos. Any posts and threads concerning lubrication by RoadRage and MichaelWan (resident oil expert) is worth reading. Here are some links to start you off and you should also do a search for more.
https://acurazine.com/forums/showthread.php?t=114218
https://acurazine.com/forums/showthread.php?t=126317
https://acurazine.com/forums/showthread.php?t=107162
https://acurazine.com/forums/car-talk-5/tl-cl-video-105573/
Old 02-16-2006, 12:34 PM
  #3  
Instructor
 
micvog's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jul 2005
Posts: 222
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts
Originally Posted by brownie
I have a 05 TL with 3200 miles... my oil change is coming up soon and i want to swich to a synthetic lubrication. I went to the dealership where i got my TL and ask the head parts person If Acura makes a synthetic oil. He told me that he can get me synthetic, but he highly recommends that i dont ???

All my life i thought that synthetic was supposed to be best for your car/engine. I thought that synthetic was to keep your engine running smoother for longer and helping it keep cool. Anyways the head parts guy said "deff. dont use synthetic"

As i was leaving the dealership i stopped by the mechanic shop. I talked to somebody else there and he said the same thing. I run my TL pretty hard, and want an oil to help the engine out. Although oil doesnt add any hp, it could help my TL last longer...

So i just wanted some suggestions/ oppinons one what to do.

Thanks for the help.
I am interested in this as well. I have an '05 TL with ~12k miles that is coming up on its second oil change and I had planned on going with synthetic. My dealer openly offers a synthetic oil change, although they don't push it it all. This is the first I heard of someone recommending against synthetic.

In your case, perhaps it is because of your low mileage. My understanding is that Acura includes a special additive from the factory to assist with break-in and strongly recommends against an early first oil change. Others have posted that they have done early first oil changes, but they have also used specific oils that contain this same additive.
Old 02-16-2006, 02:34 PM
  #4  
Burning Brakes
 
Brettg's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jun 2005
Age: 66
Posts: 777
Likes: 0
Received 1 Like on 1 Post
Are you REALLY going to run the car till 300,000 miles?
If not, synthetic wont buy you anything.
If you go by the mid and change the oil when its supposed to be changed, a good quality oil should be fine.

I get a kick out of people spending the bucks for a synthetic oil change who will only run the car to 80,000 miles. The next people to get the car would be happy most likely, but its not doing anything for the first owner.

The only time I would run synthetic in the TL is if I wanted to go to extended drains, like 10,000 miles, and even then its more expensive.

Brett
Old 02-16-2006, 03:48 PM
  #5  
RAR
 
leedogg's Avatar
 
Join Date: Apr 2005
Location: DC Metro
Age: 47
Posts: 10,783
Received 1,286 Likes on 714 Posts
I found a pretty interesting post on another forum:



PART 1:
Today's topic seams to be motor oil related. I am a NASA Engineer at
Marshal Space Flight Center in Huntsville, Alabama. My field of work is
Tribology which is the study of friction, wear, and lubrication. In our
spare time, our group collects and tests different motor oils using the
Shell Four Ball tester. This tester tests the extreme pressure properties
of oils. These areas in a motor are cam to lifter contacts, valve stem to
guild, and piston skirts. Over the years we have found synthetic bases oils
to out perform mineral based oils by a large margin. We test the oils new,
after 1000 miles, 2000 miles, and up to 10,000 miles. In a nut shell, we
found that synthetic oils have better wear properties after being run 10,000
miles then mineral grade oils new. Which synthetic do we use? First any
you will benefit from any synthetic, but we use Mobil 1. Mobil by far puts
more research dollars in motor oils then any other company. They are also
aggressive in racing.
Other notes on motor oils.

Do not run a multi grade oil (10w-30) more then 1000 to 2000 miles -
depending on your driving habits.
This is because a 10w30 oil starts its life as a 10 weight oil and large
polymer chains are added to get the 30 rating. These chains break down very
quickly which produces small chains with an open electron charge at the
ends. These ends attract grim and form sludge.

Do not run synthetics in a new rebuild. A new engine needs the added
friction allowed by mineral oils to set the rings properly. Chevy found
this out on the corvette. These cars came from the factory with Mobil 1 and
owners brought them back because of smoking and oil consumption (rings did
not seat). Run a good single weight oil for the first 2000 miles. We found
Havaline 30 to be a good mineral oil - in fact we use it for our standard.

The reason Mobil 1 can safely be run for 10,000 miles is because the
additive package is well engineered to isolate grim and hold it in
suspension. This also is why Mobil 1 is expensive. You know - you get what
you pay for.

I know there are a lot of questions on motor oils. You can e-mail me for
more information or search the web for more details on synthetics. Your
Roadster deserves the best - run synthetic oils.

Phil Hall

Part 2:

I listed multi grade oil break down at 1000 to 2000 miles. This is for the
junk oils found at circle K for a dollar. A good name brand oil will last
3000 miles without too much break down. This is for mineral grade oils -
synthetic oils meet government viscosity tests for ratings without adding
thickeners like polymer chains.

Guys here at work run synthetics in motors that have 140,000 to 170,000
miles on them without any more oil consumption them normal. I believe that
you will get a slight increase in consumption in older motors because the
synthetic are very slippery and can get by old rings easier. In these cases
going to a 15w-50 may help, but this is not a reason not to use synthetics.
Older motors need the extra protection. At running temperature a synthetic
will maintain its viscosity, where a mineral oil viscosity is DRASTICALLY
REDUCED.

A test on how well synthetics work at different temperature can be done in
your home. Get a quart of your favorite mineral oil and a quart of a
synthetic. Put a cup a each oil in a glass or paper cup and stick in the
freezer over night. In the morning try and pour the oils out. Next test:
DO THIS OUTSIDE. On an old camp stove put a ¼ of the synthetic oil in an
old frying pan and put it on the stove on the highest heat setting. Cook
for 30 minutes. Now cook your oil for 30 minutes. At this point you will
see why you cooked the synthetic first. As the oil cooks pour some out to
see the changes in viscosity between the oils.

Part 3 on oil additive coming soon. I need to back to NASA work.

Phil Hall

Part 3:

The question of change intervals and synthetic oil has come up. As a side
at work we run oil tests using the Shell Four Ball test rig. This tester
was developed by Shell oil to test the extreme wear properties of motor oils
- cams, piston skirts etc. It consists of three, = inch balls held in a
triangular pattern in a cup with oil heated to 165 degrees. A forth ball is
lowered to the center of the three balls and loaded to 40 KG. The ball is
then rotated 600 RPM for one hour. After the test the wear scar is measured
on the three stationary balls. The bigger the scar the lower the extreme
wear property of the oil is. We use Havoline 30 wt for a base line. We use
this oil because engineers from the past liked this oil, so we have a large
data base.

Looking at data shows new Havoline 30 wt has a wear scar of .0165 inches.
New Mobil 1 has a .0145 inch scar. May not seem like a lot of difference,
but it is. Havoline 30 at 3000 miles has a wear scar of .020 inches and
Mobil 1 at 4000 miles has a .0164 scar. Remember - the bigger the badder.
3000 miles is as long as anyone was willing to run Havoline 30 wt, so its
data stops here. Mobil 1 at 6000 miles is .0167, at 8000 miles is .0188,
and at 10,000 miles is .0194. So, at 10,000 miles Mobil 1 has better
lubrication properties in the critical areas in your motor then a good 30
wt. All mineral oils follow Havoline pretty close - major brands. Some off
brands have a .020 wear scar new. Multi-grades generally have a larger wear
scar as well. This data was from a 5.0 Ford Mustang. Every motor will be
slightly different, but not much.

So, synthetic can handle long run intervals. But, that is part of the
story. You have contaminates to deal with. This is where the additive
package comes in play. This is the expensive part of oils and the reason
synthetics are high priced. Because of the long run intervals of synthetic,
they must have a vastly superior additive package - and they do. Proof of
this is to take 3000 mile dino oil and look at it in a glass jar - then do
the same for Mobil 1. The Mobil 1 will look new compared to the dino oil.
I run Mobil 1 in my new cars to the longest manufactures oil change interval
- usually 7000 miles. This will keep the warranty happy. In my Roadster I
change it once a year regardless of mileage. It run my Roadster about 5000
miles a year. Most people at work run synthetics and do the same. We have
a bunch of cars in the lot that have over 200,000 miles on them and going
strong. I (my wife) never keeps one that long.

I run 10w-30 Mobil 1 in my new Roadster motors (after break-in). Older
motors get 15w-50 because the tolerances are larger. Because synthetics
don't thin down like mineral oils do at temperature, I would be careful
running 15w-50 in a motor with a high volume oil pump. By doing so you may
run into cavitation problems - oil gage jumping wildly. Drag racers
experience this often at high RPM. Drop a wt and it will clear up.

I checked the auto parts stores last night and could not find a zero wt
Mobil 1. It was about 2 years ago they were talking introducing this oil,
so apparently they have in some markets. I stand corrected.

Testing another "magic" oil additive today. It looks and smells like
linseed oil! This should be fun. Additives are another subject all
together. Another day, but never tested a good one - none- zip - zero -
don't waste your money.

Sorry for being soo long. I like synthetics (obviously). If you have been
to the conferences, seen all the tests and data, and read the lubrication
journals you would run nothing other then synthetics.

Phil
Old 02-16-2006, 06:41 PM
  #6  
Burning Brakes
 
Brettg's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jun 2005
Age: 66
Posts: 777
Likes: 0
Received 1 Like on 1 Post
I dont doubt mobil 1 is good stuff, but we run the work vans past 200,000 miles on 5000 mile dino oil changes using whatever the chain shops use and dont have oil use or smoking, etc.

Now if you plan on running the motor till over 200,000 or 300,000 miles, its likely a good idea to run synthetic.

How many people run a car past 100,000 miles?

Brett
Old 02-16-2006, 08:41 PM
  #7  
JDM Laser Fogs!
Thread Starter
 
lifetimeofwar's Avatar
 
Join Date: Dec 2005
Location: Stockton, Cali
Age: 35
Posts: 2,048
Received 9 Likes on 6 Posts
So what i have to do is run regular oil in my car for the first oil change? then swich to synthetic later?
Old 02-16-2006, 08:52 PM
  #8  
3rd Gear
 
jhall's Avatar
 
Join Date: Sep 2005
Age: 59
Posts: 3
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts
For Leedogg...

So what do you think about semi-synthetics?
Old 02-16-2006, 09:48 PM
  #9  
信是寶
 
Tecciztecatl's Avatar
 
Join Date: Feb 2005
Location: Lancaster/Downingtown/Philly, PA
Age: 55
Posts: 256
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts
Originally Posted by brownie
I have a 05 TL with 3200 miles... my oil change is coming up soon and i want to swich to a synthetic lubrication. I went to the dealership where i got my TL and ask the head parts person If Acura makes a synthetic oil. He told me that he can get me synthetic, but he highly recommends that i dont ???

All my life i thought that synthetic was supposed to be best for your car/engine. I thought that synthetic was to keep your engine running smoother for longer and helping it keep cool. Anyways the head parts guy said "deff. dont use synthetic"
Did you ask them why not to use synthetic? Do a search on here and you'll find more than enough ... Mr. Wan knows his shit - you'll find his post in the oil threads.

I use synthetic and a good filter - I don't lease and I keep my cars for a while, that's why I bought an Acura. Be nice to your motor and treat it well. It's not that expensive ... if you can afford a new TL you can afford some good oil and a filter.
Old 02-16-2006, 11:35 PM
  #10  
One on the right for me
 
subinf's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jul 2004
Location: Bay Area, CA
Age: 41
Posts: 27,913
Received 271 Likes on 173 Posts
PM MW...he knows, as everyone else has mentioned. I use synthetic, regular, makes no difference to me, syn blend, whatever. Depends on the car for me
Old 02-17-2006, 06:27 AM
  #11  
Racer
 
mbwmn's Avatar
 
Join Date: May 2004
Location: nj
Posts: 354
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts
Originally Posted by Brettg
I dont doubt mobil 1 is good stuff, but we run the work vans past 200,000 miles on 5000 mile dino oil changes using whatever the chain shops use and dont have oil use or smoking, etc.

Now if you plan on running the motor till over 200,000 or 300,000 miles, its likely a good idea to run synthetic.

How many people run a car past 100,000 miles?

Brett
365k on my 1989 Toy pickup 3vze v6, had the valve covers off for valve adjustments + t-belt replacements only. Mobil1 motor, synthetic man trans + transfer case fluids, synthetic front + rr diff fluids...change all once a year, every 10k miles on the the engine oil + filter.
Old 02-17-2006, 06:53 AM
  #12  
Suzuka Master
 
KeithL's Avatar
 
Join Date: Mar 2004
Location: Atlanta, GA
Age: 63
Posts: 5,172
Received 740 Likes on 435 Posts
Originally Posted by jhall
So what do you think about semi-synthetics?
Personally i think they are a waste, I don't have anything scientific to back that up, thought i did read someo where that they are not better than dino.
Old 02-17-2006, 07:26 AM
  #13  
Advanced
 
frank69m's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jan 2006
Age: 50
Posts: 85
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts
Hmmm...sounds interesting...


Here is what I was planning on doing...

First Oil change: 3,000 (ignore 5,000 indicator)....with regular weight oil...let rings set properly

Second Oil change: 8,000 (using mobil 1).....and now change it at 5k intervals.


thoughts?
Old 02-17-2006, 07:26 AM
  #14  
Advanced
 
frank69m's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jan 2006
Age: 50
Posts: 85
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts
By the way, why do BMW's do oil change at 15k intervals..they say it isn't needed every 5k.
Old 02-17-2006, 07:46 AM
  #15  
Burning Brakes
 
Brettg's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jun 2005
Age: 66
Posts: 777
Likes: 0
Received 1 Like on 1 Post
Originally Posted by frank69m
Hmmm...sounds interesting...


Here is what I was planning on doing...

First Oil change: 3,000 (ignore 5,000 indicator)....with regular weight oil...let rings set properly

Second Oil change: 8,000 (using mobil 1).....and now change it at 5k intervals.


thoughts?
Sounds good to me. I changed the oil early, and put in the havoline 5w20 that is close to the factory fill per oil analisis.
Now that havoline has changed their formulation, I may run the motorcraft semi synthetic and change it per the mid.

BMW cars likely use very expensive synthetic oil, like potensin, and with enough oil capacity and a big filter, extended drains are fine.
Modern motors run very clean, they do not dump loads of unburnt fuel into the oil, oil temps get hot enough to cook out most moisture, so synthetic can handle it.

Brett
Old 02-17-2006, 09:22 AM
  #16  
HMFIC
 
KilroyR1's Avatar
 
Join Date: Dec 2003
Location: Columbia, MD
Age: 54
Posts: 624
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts
This NASA dude is full of it. I have an oil analysis of Havoline 5W30 from my wife's Accord that was run just over 5000 miles and it is still in grade, has plenty of TBN to neutralize the acid from combustion and has very low wear metals. I use Motorcraft 5W20 blend in my TL with similar results at MID intervals (~6600 miles).

This Phil Hill doesn't write like a Tribologist, he sounds like a middle-manager with a fancy car.

My motorcycle that sees frequent track duty gets Redline synthetic 10W40. When it's hot in August and I'm on the track doing an honest 175 MPH, I prefer the protection of full synthetic oils.
Old 02-17-2006, 11:34 AM
  #17  
JDM Laser Fogs!
Thread Starter
 
lifetimeofwar's Avatar
 
Join Date: Dec 2005
Location: Stockton, Cali
Age: 35
Posts: 2,048
Received 9 Likes on 6 Posts
Alright i think im just going to wait till the sec. oil change to go synthetic.... but what oil, and oil filter combination??? (and i know this has been brought up before) but its a newbie thing..

thanks alot for the help.
Old 02-17-2006, 11:40 AM
  #18  
HEK
Team Nighthawk Mambo King
 
HEK's Avatar
 
Join Date: Mar 2005
Location: Westfield, MA
Age: 64
Posts: 1,089
Likes: 0
Received 2 Likes on 2 Posts
Originally Posted by Brettg
I dont doubt mobil 1 is good stuff, but we run the work vans past 200,000 miles on 5000 mile dino oil changes using whatever the chain shops use and dont have oil use or smoking, etc.

Now if you plan on running the motor till over 200,000 or 300,000 miles, its likely a good idea to run synthetic.

How many people run a car past 100,000 miles?

Brett
Personally I have put 220,000 on a '87 Civic Si and 240,000 on a '01 Toyota Celica GT, not until the last few years is that I've been upgrading my cars because of personal reasons, but none had to do with me wanting a new car .
Now do I plan to put 200,000 on the TL, sure why not and the Ody as well, unless my wife decides ( she is the one who gets tired of her cars ) to get the new RDX, but getting back to the topic here, I did switch to Castrol Synthec for the fact that is $18 @ Wallymart, comes in a convenient 5QT jug and really if I happen to go a few miles over the 5k interval I don't sweat it...
Old 02-17-2006, 01:10 PM
  #19  
Instructor
 
shaker31280's Avatar
 
Join Date: Nov 2005
Age: 44
Posts: 112
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts
I buy a car brand new then never change the oil. I drive about 30k then trade it in and let someone else deal with it. lol

Of course I am kidding.

Change every 3k with Havoline or Mobil 5w 20. I trade or sell at 90k+
Old 02-17-2006, 01:12 PM
  #20  
RAR
 
leedogg's Avatar
 
Join Date: Apr 2005
Location: DC Metro
Age: 47
Posts: 10,783
Received 1,286 Likes on 714 Posts
Less wear and tear on an engine is always good. I plan on sticking with dino for the first few oil changes, then work my way into a semisynthetic and finally go pure synthetic.
Old 02-17-2006, 07:04 PM
  #21  
Racer
 
mbwmn's Avatar
 
Join Date: May 2004
Location: nj
Posts: 354
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts
Talking

Originally Posted by KeithL
Personally i think they are a waste, I don't have anything scientific to back that up, thought i did read someo where that they are not better than dino.
Personally,
i think people named Keith are silly. i don't have anything scientific to back that up, tho i did read somewhere that they are silly.
Old 02-19-2006, 04:54 PM
  #22  
Moderator
 
SodaLuvr's Avatar
 
Join Date: Aug 2004
Location: Walnut Creek, CA
Posts: 3,965
Likes: 0
Received 13 Likes on 8 Posts
In Acuras, it is perfectly safe to switch over to a synthetic oil once you have >3000 miles on the engine and the factory "break-in" oil if you desire. It is unnecessary to continue using conventional oil to allow for "break-in" as it won't bring you any benefits.

And the independent garage, as well as the Acura dealer, were implying that Honda engines are extremely durable and perform well even when abused. (not suggested) Only the engines on the market that "spec" synthetic oil really need it, for all other apps, unless you're racing, it is overkill.

There are tons of cars that run 5000-7500 mile intervals on dino 5w30,10w30,or10w40 back in the 80s and 90s when oils were no where as good as the modern API SM oils, and they still last >300,000, if the owners actually kept them that long.

And Brett, BMW uses their own 5W30 ACEA A3/B3 oil for the 15-20K drain intervals with a normal "cellulose" cartridge oil filter. It is manufactured by Castrol for BMW, and costs about $4.95/qt, which is actually less than what you pay for Mobil 1 at most stores. MB now uses a 229.5 approved oil for their engines (Most common is either Mobil 1 0w40 or Castrol Syntec 0w30) for a 1-yr/13,000 mile drain interval (10,000 miles for AMG) with a "fleece" media cartridge oil filter that costs $15-$20.
Old 02-20-2006, 10:49 PM
  #23  
Cruisin'
 
azrocks's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jan 2006
Location: phoenix, az
Age: 52
Posts: 18
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts
x5 130,000 miles and going strong... definitely go with synthetic.
Old 02-21-2006, 11:43 AM
  #24  
Senior Moderator
 
fsttyms1's Avatar
 
Join Date: Aug 2002
Location: Appleton WI
Age: 49
Posts: 81,383
Received 3,063 Likes on 2,119 Posts
200k on my 2nd gen with 10k+ change intervals of synthetic
Old 02-23-2006, 08:03 AM
  #25  
Unshunned
 
berzerker's Avatar
 
Join Date: Oct 2003
Location: da branch
Age: 50
Posts: 164
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts
Originally Posted by frank69m
By the way, why do BMW's do oil change at 15k intervals..they say it isn't needed every 5k.
Larger oil capacity. I believe my buddy with a 540 said his oil pan holds like 8qts.
Old 02-24-2006, 07:46 AM
  #26  
Cruisin'
 
montyz81's Avatar
 
Join Date: Nov 2005
Age: 53
Posts: 19
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts
This is very interesting. I have 113k miles on my car. I have used standard oil every 3000-3500k since I bought this car new. The engine runs as strong as it did the day I bought it. The engine does not burn any oil. It does not make any lifter noise. I runs perfectly. I maintain, that if you are going to use regular oil then changing at 3k miles is as good as running Synthetic with 10k oil changes. Anyone who is changing synthetic oil at 5k or less is just waisting their money. I do agree with a previous poster that if you plan on keeping the car until the tow truck hauls it away to a junk yard, then M1 is a good investment. Anyone that trades their car in at 120k miles or less who has used M1 has waisted allot of money. The next owner should buy you dinner with the money he/she is going to save in engine repairs!
Old 02-27-2006, 11:50 AM
  #27  
10th Gear
 
elcob32's Avatar
 
Join Date: Nov 2004
Location: Daytona Beach, FLA
Age: 42
Posts: 11
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts
I dont care what the dealer is telling you. I have had my car since Oct 04, and only use synthetic. NO PROBLEMS (knock on wood) AT ALL. If the dealer doesn't reccomend using synthetic oil, he doesn't know the differance. Synthetic is by far a better choice, and with a V-Tech engine, you may want to take care of it and use synthetic. Moble1 Is my reccomendation. I have been using it in the last 3 cars I had, and I have put it to the test (23,000 miles no change in 95 Mustang). Best stuff there is.
Old 02-27-2006, 12:50 PM
  #28  
Man of God.....
 
Spiritman's Avatar
 
Join Date: Feb 2006
Location: MPLS Minn.
Age: 72
Posts: 850
Received 1 Like on 1 Post
OK, I have used synth in ALL my motors since about 1970! It is the best . The cost is offset by less frequent changes (and in my book the waste of my time). Now I live in Minnesota. It gets cold up here. I mean COLD! Like 30-40 below zero F. Have you ever seen organic oil at -40F? Its like thick THICK honey. Not synth oil. It is a little thicker (@ -40F) but not much. I have started my (synth oil) car right beside others (reg. oil) that wouldn't start. You can hear the difference! It VERY easy to hear. The synth car just turns over and starts! The other? Turns over VERY slowly. Start? Maybe, maybe not......
Also in car's I owned before the computer controlled idle. I saw idle speed gain of 300RPM. Now that is ONLY doing an oil change! From organic oil to full synth. That tells me "LESS FRICTION!!"

I am getting my 06TL tomorrow (2-28-6). After breaking it in. You know it's getting ONLY the best=synth oil.......
Old 02-27-2006, 01:34 PM
  #29  
Columbia Univ. c/o 2004
 
architectonic's Avatar
 
Join Date: May 2005
Location: CA
Age: 43
Posts: 266
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts
I still have my 1992 Acura Legend with +330K miles on it.
Bought it when it had less than 12k in 1999 and have since put over 320,000 additional miles on it by 2005. That's an average of 53,000 miles a year. I've only used synthetic at 4-5k intervals.

Unless someone proves me otherwise, I'm a firm advocate of synthetic.
Old 02-28-2006, 07:30 AM
  #30  
Cruisin'
 
montyz81's Avatar
 
Join Date: Nov 2005
Age: 53
Posts: 19
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts
Originally Posted by architectonic
I still have my 1992 Acura Legend with +330K miles on it.
Bought it when it had less than 12k in 1999 and have since put over 320,000 additional miles on it by 2005. That's an average of 53,000 miles a year. I've only used synthetic at 4-5k intervals.

Unless someone proves me otherwise, I'm a firm advocate of synthetic.
This is a classic case where synthetic oil is a great idea. I bet this engine is as good as the day he bought it! If you don't plan on keeping your car this long then don't bother with synthetic. If you do, you could go 400k easy
Old 03-01-2006, 10:59 AM
  #31  
Instructor
 
bwilder10h's Avatar
 
Join Date: May 2005
Location: Cincy, O
Age: 49
Posts: 164
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts
Acura puts out a magazine that comes to me every few months or so. Last year, they sent one out and one of the topics was about whether or not synthetic is better for your engine than dino.
They had their R&D folks check it out and they found no advantage over a standard dino and recommended saving your money unless you go to longer change intervals. Because I'm the obcessive compulsive type, I still use Mobil 1 5w20 and a Mobil 1 filter on the 3k drain in the TL...

My F250 gets motorcraft 5w20 w/ a motorcraft filter every 3k and my Accord gets Havoline 5w30 w/ a Pure 1 filter.
Old 03-19-2006, 03:07 PM
  #32  
Advanced
 
tommyz's Avatar
 
Join Date: Aug 2004
Location: nyc
Age: 51
Posts: 91
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts
Oil Dilmena

Originally Posted by leedogg
Less wear and tear on an engine is always good. I plan on sticking with dino for the first few oil changes, then work my way into a semisynthetic and finally go pure synthetic.
Leedog your info was most helpful. Thanks

I have a scenario.

Neighbor next door moved and gave me
one 4 quart jug of MOBIL 1 Extended performance 5w30 and
one 4 quart jug of MOBIL 1 Extended performance 10w30

? im using mobil 1 5w20 currently , in and arround NYC. Turns out im about to go across country to live in Los Angeles, the 5w30 seems to be making more sense with the hotter temperatures in southern california.

anybody see any pitfalls.
Would there be a problem of mixing say 2quarts 5w20 and 2quarts of 5w30 to go across country?

I hate to throw the stuff away its says 15000 mile changeout, ( which i would never do_)
Old 03-19-2006, 03:18 PM
  #33  
Moderator
 
SodaLuvr's Avatar
 
Join Date: Aug 2004
Location: Walnut Creek, CA
Posts: 3,965
Likes: 0
Received 13 Likes on 8 Posts
The days of needing to switch grades based on temperatures are long gone...

5w20, 5w30, or 10w30 would do fine under ANY temperature. There are tons of cars running 5w20 dino changed at 5K intervals, with >200K on them out in Texas, CA, etc...and these are all police cars...There are no durability issues with running 5w20 for the recommended drain interval.

5w30 and 10w30 are interchangeable. The 5w and 10w are values that represent an oil's viscosity at extremely low temperatures. The 10w syn oils generally use little or no viscosity index improvers, while the 5w must still use some in order to pass the tests to be designated as a 5w. There are no problems with shearing with either a 5w or 10w synthetic oil due to the quality and small amount of VII being used.

So use any of the three with confidence at the recommended drain interval, given your conditions.

Old 11-04-2006, 09:25 AM
  #34  
Suzuka Master
 
russianDude's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jun 2001
Location: NJ
Posts: 6,374
Received 704 Likes on 546 Posts
dealerships are full of sh*it, its typical for them to "recommend" Honda products only. Synthetics is not a factory fill, so thats why they don't "recommend" it.
I have 2001 CL 56K miles running on Mobil1 since first oil change, I change my oil every 6-7K miles. Now that I am using M1 Extended performance, I will change it only once a year since I drive less than 15K miles a year.
Old 11-04-2006, 09:47 AM
  #35  
Safety Car
 
pimpin-tl's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jun 2006
Location: Abilene, TX
Age: 50
Posts: 3,992
Received 148 Likes on 99 Posts
My dealer offers Mobil 1 for a oil change for $20 more. Tell that dealer to get with the times. Synthetic is better than regular dino oil.
Old 11-07-2006, 10:29 PM
  #36  
Instructor
 
Armydog14's Avatar
 
Join Date: Sep 2002
Age: 44
Posts: 182
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts
Originally Posted by bwilder10h
Acura puts out a magazine that comes to me every few months or so. Last year, they sent one out and one of the topics was about whether or not synthetic is better for your engine than dino.
They had their R&D folks check it out and they found no advantage over a standard dino and recommended saving your money unless you go to longer change intervals. Because I'm the obcessive compulsive type, I still use Mobil 1 5w20 and a Mobil 1 filter on the 3k drain in the TL...

My F250 gets motorcraft 5w20 w/ a motorcraft filter every 3k and my Accord gets Havoline 5w30 w/ a Pure 1 filter.

where do u get 5w20 mobil one?
Old 11-07-2006, 10:39 PM
  #37  
Suzuka Master
 
crazymjb's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jan 2005
Age: 34
Posts: 7,438
Likes: 0
Received 1 Like on 1 Post
Autozone or VIP auto center. They aren't always stocked up, so it may be a good idea to call first. I also use a Mobil1 110 filter, often sold out, so I usually hit up a few places.

Mike
Old 11-08-2006, 11:12 AM
  #38  
Three Wheelin'
 
geekybiker's Avatar
 
Join Date: Sep 2006
Location: Chicagoland
Age: 48
Posts: 1,562
Received 120 Likes on 93 Posts
Synthetic is clearly better if you're hard on your engine.
If you run at extreme temps hot or cold
If you run extended oil changes
If you spend alot of time at high rpms (racing etc)

If you drive like a normal person and change oil at standard intervals you're not likely to see the benefits in the normal life of a car.

I run synthetics past beak in just because its cheap insurance though. And I belong a little bit in all three of those categories.
YMMV of course.
Old 11-08-2006, 07:12 PM
  #39  
Racer
 
pettydw's Avatar
 
Join Date: Mar 2004
Posts: 309
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts
Synthetics are most definitely better than conventional oils. Also, the price difference is small compared to the overall costs of car ownership ($30-$40/year extra vs. $thousands it costs for gas, insurance, interest, depreciation, taxes and other fees).
Old 11-08-2006, 10:38 PM
  #40  
JDM Laser Fogs!
Thread Starter
 
lifetimeofwar's Avatar
 
Join Date: Dec 2005
Location: Stockton, Cali
Age: 35
Posts: 2,048
Received 9 Likes on 6 Posts
Will the MID miss read or malfunction because you are using synthetic? Longer change intervals...

I also fit well, into geekybiker list


Quick Reply: synthetic = bad...?????



All times are GMT -5. The time now is 05:22 AM.