tidus888

People you should state your reasons of why that TL can BEAT mazdaspeed 3 =)

Final

I think the 0-60s are the same 6.0 for the Mazdaspeed 3 and 6.0 for the 6MT TL if Im not mistaken. In the end it comes down to whether youre piloting a Mazda or an Acura. Not trying to flame on anyone here with a Mazda but Ill take my TL over a Mazda 3 any day of the week.

kennyc

per C&D mazdaspeed 3 is very tricky to launch... the official 0-60 time is 5.8 - bout dead-even with the TL 6mt.

As Final said, it boils down to the driver.

and yes... I'll take my TL over mazdaspeed 3 any day.

coykiam

really different class...I have a friend that has a mazdaspeed 3 SP23 edition and 160hp vs 258hp is really no match, not to mention 4 cyl vs 6 cyl. But 0-60s really depends on how the driver reacts.

tidus888

NOT MADZDA3 but MAZDASPEED3
Turbocharged!!


this is where it started:
http://www.redflagdeals.com/forums/s...d.php?t=372031

iforyou

iTrader: (1)

Hmm The TL 6MT does have less hp and torque than the Mazdaspeed 3 and not to mention that the TL weighs quite a bit more. But I guess the fact that the 3 is harder to launch (may be because of its turbo or high torque?) will make the 0-60 time quite close. I'm not sure about the 1/4 mile time either. But from the numbers, I would say the mazdaspeed 3 is faster once it gets going. And I believe mazdaspeed offers some aftermarket cat-back and CAI that would add an additional 30hp. Anyways stock vs stock the TL Type S should beat the mazdaspeed 3, if the normal TL 6MT can't beat it. Again, I'm not sure but that's what I think.

coykiam

whoops!! I read it wrong..lol

berite100

i guess you are in the market for a new car and you have picked out a mazdaspeed3?

01clsstock

http://www.motortrend.com/roadtests/...on/engine.html

CL Platano

Does it really matter its still a Mazda 3 ...

berite100

tidus. it seems like you want to call your friends claim to be bull and need proof. and it seems like you are going to long lengths to do this. so i say go out and buy yourself a mazdaspeed 3 and take his lying ass to the track and spank him.
that would shut him up really good.
if you are not willing to go thru all that, just nod at your friends and smile. cause it makes no difference.

BustedJack

correction...
don't think a "stock" TL can keep up.

I will smoke that car.

Jrbn2g04AcuraTL

I would love to trade my 05 TL for a Mazdaspeed3 (lol) and stock Mazdaspeed3 will win over stock TL...

tidus888

have you people read C&D results?

=) TL has a better 0-60mph, 0-120mph then mazdaspeed 3
TL has better skidpad...better slalom
TL has better 5-60mph time =)

so why do u people think TL will lose?
just because of mazdaspeed 3 has high torque and hp? if you look at dyno... it only spikes and drop... vs... the way that TL's engine provides a linear line of power and tq! =)

Area under curve is what counts =)

tidus888

2007 MS3

ACCELERATION (Seconds)
Zero to 30 mph 2.3
40 mph 3.4
50 mph 4.4
60 mph 5.8
70 mph 7.2
80 mph 9.3
90 mph 11.4
100 mph 14.8
110 mph 17.8
120 mph 21.9
Street start, 5-60 mph: 6.7
Top-gear acceleration, 30-50 mph: 10.6, 50-70 mph: 6.8
Standing 1/4 mile: 14.4 sec@ 99 mph

ENGINE
Type: turbocharged and intercooled inline-4, aluminum block and head
Bore x stroke: 3.44 x 3.70 in, 87.5 x 94.0mm
Displacement: 138 cu in, 2261cc
Compression ratio: 9.5:1
Fuel-delivery system: direct injection
Turbocharger: Hitachi-Warner K04
Maximum boost pressure: 15.6 psi
Valve gear: chain-driven double overhead cams, 4 valves per cylinder, variable intake-valve timing
Power (SAE net): 263 bhp @ 5500 rpm
Torque (SAE net): 280 lb-ft @ 3000 rpm
Redline: 6700 rpm

DIMENSIONS
Wheelbase: 103.9 in
Track, front/rear: 60.4/60.0 in
Length/width/height: 176.8/69.5/57.7 in
Ground clearance: 4.8 in
Drag area, Cd (0.32) x frontal area (25.5 sq ft, est): 8.2 sq ft
Curb weight: 3180 lb
Weight distribution, F/R: 63.5/36.5%
Curb weight per horsepower: 12.1 lb
Fuel capacity: 14.5 gal




2004 TL

ACCELERATION (Seconds)
Zero to 30 mph 2.2
40 mph 3.3
50 mph 4.4
60 mph 5.7
70 mph 7.6
80 mph 9.4
90 mph 11.9
100 mph 14.6
110 mph 17.8
120 mph 21.8
130 mph 28.6
Street start, 5-60 mph 6.3
Top-gear acceleration, 30-50 mph 10.4, 50-70 mph 10.3
Standing 1/4-mile 14.4 sec @ 99 mph

ENGINE
Type V-6, aluminum block and heads
Bore x stroke 3.50 x 3.39 in, 89.0 x 86.0mm
Displacement 196 cu in, 3210cc
Compression ratio 11.0:1
Fuel-delivery system port injection
Valve gear belt-driven single overhead cams, 4 valves per
cylinder, hydraulic lifters, variable
intake-valve timing and lift
Power (SAE net) 270 bhp @ 6200 rpm
Torque (SAE net) 238 lb-ft @ 5000 rpm
Redline 6800 rpm

DIMENSIONS
Wheelbase 107.9 in
Track, front/rear 62.1/62.0 in
Length/width/height 186.2/72.2/56.7 in
Ground clearance 5.8 in
Curb weight 3521 lb
Weight distribution, F/R 59.8/40.2%
Curb weight per horsepower 13.0 lb
Fuel capacity 17.0 gal


Also with a better Weight Distribution! =) and come on... if you look at the Comparison test from C&D... the TL's skidpad is .89g THATS HUGE!!!
lol..

If you have A-Spec... then the 0-60mph becomes 5.6sec =)

PPLAPW

I say 6MT stock vs MazdaSpeed 3 is nothing but a drivers race......

ckya

i agree

TLdriver022

Mazda 3's are some of the gayest cars on the road

iforyou

iTrader: (1)

thanks tidus888 for clearing things up! If you just look at the numbers, people would really thing the MS3 has the upper hand!! max torque at low rpm right? But like you've said, I guess the torque curve sucks! And not to mention the 300-400lbs weight difference!

onebadtls

mazdaspeed 3 is suppose to be pretty damn fast...i think a stock tl would take it off the line cuz of the torque reducing system in the mazda..i believe that is why the dyno graphs suck for it, it pulls power in i think the first 2 gears maybe? but i think the mazda will start pullin once it starts spoolin..not to mention with a boost controller alone those things will be flying..then again its still a damn mazda 3...you can make anything fast...but still wont be as nice riding and pimp as our cars

iforyou

iTrader: (1)

yea onebadtls, that's what i thought too, until I saw the numbers in C&D. TL 6MT has pretty much the same numbers as the MS3! Unless you upgrade the MS3, then it seems like it won't really pull on the 6MT TL afterall.

tidus888

but you remember need to note one more thing =) from what i heard in dealers.. the numbers should've improved a bit after the end of 2004 life cycle... something about the rear suspension...

=)

if you look at MS6... itz even worst... go to roadandtrack.com or caranddriver.com =) look at MS6's 0-100mph...
it looks... REALLY BAD...

and why? coz freaking mazda made an engine that only peaks power and tq... but has NO FLAT lines at all.... the tremandous power drop after 5750 rpm is just sad....

wonder what happen if we swap the RDX engine over to the TL!!!!! =)

such nice curves..

iforyou

iTrader: (1)

tidus888, it seems like you love acura even more so than me!! =D

Yeah I know the MS6 is fast for 0-60, but I never really thought about its 0-100 time. Btw, is it heavier than the TL?

I agree about the MS6's power drop....just look at its torque and hp numbers...

RDX engine in the TL? I guess it might help its F/R weight disturbution? I also think it's good if they drop it into the TSX!

juruki

iTrader: (2)

MS3 is like the SRT-4. Cheap cars fixed up from the factory...

realfresh

for the time being, 3G TL and Mazdaspeed 2.3L motor is a driver's race. But keep in mind, CobbTuning is supposed to be making an accessport for that motor, that is supposed to do quite a bit.