RX-8 vs Maxima
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0-YGnHsHp7c
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A RX8 on a autox course would slaughter a CTS-V sorry to say. But road course and all others, it's over for the RX8 as the CTS-V can easily take it. The RX8 is like a Miata in the handling department on a small course. Most cars can't touch it.
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An inline four would also have the negative side effect of raising it's center of gravity and hurt its handling. I've always held the position that Mazda should have sourced some EJ motors (read: flat 4) from Subaru for the 8.
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So your saying a 400+ hp car designed just to race auto-x and tuned on the nerbergering(don't count off for spelling) in germany would get slaughtered by an 8? How did you come to this conclution?
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The Nurburgring is a high speed course that high HP cars do well on.
I bet the cobalt (stock) would beat you around an autocross course as well.
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The more power you have on the autox the worse it is really.
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Because most autocross courses are sub 50mph tight turning handling courses. A CTS-V would have a hard time competing with the much lighter RX-8, even if it doesn't have as much power.
The Nurburgring is a high speed course that high HP cars do well on.
I bet the cobalt (stock) would beat you around an autocross course as well.
The Nurburgring is a high speed course that high HP cars do well on.
I bet the cobalt (stock) would beat you around an autocross course as well.
Here is one with intake, 3" exhaust, HPtuners, and upper IC (cold side) charge piping only on his fastest run of the day. 2.2 '60 foot on that run. Notice his STOCK 2-step and launch control... He could run a 12.4 if he got a 1.9
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0-YGnHsHp7c
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0-YGnHsHp7c
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Fast forward to about 59 seconds (I spun off the line)
http://s263.photobucket.com/albums/i...t=MOV02710.flv
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You put some suspension mods on your car like a Stillen rear sway bar & strut tower brace and some springs, you'll keep up with that RX-8 in the twisties.
And did you realy think you would beat that MUstang??
And did you realy think you would beat that MUstang??
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Fast forward to about 59 seconds (I spun off the line)
http://s263.photobucket.com/albums/i...t=MOV02710.flv
Sidenote: The commentator misspoke re: the 4G vs 5G run as he stated both to be DEK powered (i.e.: VQ30DE-k) when only the 5G is such.
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That was a turbocharged mustang. I just thought that video was a pretty funny example of the comment about running with the big boys. lol
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Man I thought we were discussing cars here not politics.
And so the intronets gossip carries on!
And so the intronets gossip carries on!The rotary is like communism. The concept looks great on paper, but when applied to the real world, it simply doesn't work well. The reliability of the last generations of the rotary has been is horrible. The turbos liked to catch fire and ruin apex seals. The new rotary likes to guzzle oil, get flooded, and eat those apex seals. Then there's the mpg. Yeah, 15-16 around town and 19-20 on the highway. What? Maybe if the car ran deep 13s, I could accept it. However, it's a solid 14.7-15.0@94mph car with a pretty sad aftermarket.
Like I've been saying for years, Mazda should have scraped the rotary on the current gen RX. They should have swapped in the DISI turbo I4 from the Mazdaspeed cars and called it a day. An RX with the DISI would be a solid 13.7@104mph car. Yes, it would have added about 80lbs more weight to the front, but that could have been fixed somewhat a bit with moving the battery out back, adjusting the suspension setup, wheel/tire size, rollbars, etc. Apparently the next gen RX will be a rotary as well. Yeah, I know RX means rotary, but only 5% of the buying public knows this. Put a turbo I4 in it and no one would care except for a few thousand braindamaged rotary diehards.
Like I've been saying for years, Mazda should have scraped the rotary on the current gen RX. They should have swapped in the DISI turbo I4 from the Mazdaspeed cars and called it a day. An RX with the DISI would be a solid 13.7@104mph car. Yes, it would have added about 80lbs more weight to the front, but that could have been fixed somewhat a bit with moving the battery out back, adjusting the suspension setup, wheel/tire size, rollbars, etc. Apparently the next gen RX will be a rotary as well. Yeah, I know RX means rotary, but only 5% of the buying public knows this. Put a turbo I4 in it and no one would care except for a few thousand braindamaged rotary diehards.
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Hahaha.... I'm not even going to debate this... keep thinking whatever ya'll want! Ill just sit back and laugh... on another note I know some fast ass cobalts around here that would hand me my ass in a straight line...
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That being said if it were a full road course where the CTS-V could really open up, more than likely it will dominate the mentioned cars.
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Laugh about what? Should be pretty obvious that light weight nimble cars with low(er) power output like the RX-8/Miata dominate AutoXing. If you disagree you should try it some time. I guarantee you'll be surprised on how well you do against lighter cars like the ones mentioned above.
That being said if it were a full road course where the CTS-V could really open up, more than likely it will dominate the mentioned cars.
That being said if it were a full road course where the CTS-V could really open up, more than likely it will dominate the mentioned cars.
I don't know much about Miata or RX-8 but my +3500lbs car with ok after market suspension + wider tires has nothing on the Lotus Elise I was in on the twisties and tight corners.
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Sounds like someone that has never even been on a autox course himself. It's kinda funny that all the Autox guys are laughing at you right now for thinking your CTS-V even has a chance on a autox course against a RX8 or Miata when a C6 Vette has enough trouble as it is.
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Lol, I actually agree with you on the auto-x thing. Not taking anything away from cadillacs,cobalts,maximas and whatever else. The no torque,power,should have a piston engine RX-8 continually dominate. I'm just not gonna go there, on what that dave guy posted
. He obviously did not do any type of research on the history of rotary powered cars in racing and especially in reliability racing, such as the 24hrs of Lemans,24hrs of Daytona etc... and damn I went there oops
and thanks guys for getting me through my first 5 posts!
. He obviously did not do any type of research on the history of rotary powered cars in racing and especially in reliability racing, such as the 24hrs of Lemans,24hrs of Daytona etc... and damn I went there oops and thanks guys for getting me through my first 5 posts!
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Sounds like someone that has never even been on a autox course himself. It's kinda funny that all the Autox guys are laughing at you right now for thinking your CTS-V even has a chance on a autox course against a RX8 or Miata when a C6 Vette has enough trouble as it is.
Laugh about what? Should be pretty obvious that light weight nimble cars with low(er) power output like the RX-8/Miata dominate AutoXing. If you disagree you should try it some time. I guarantee you'll be surprised on how well you do against lighter cars like the ones mentioned above.
That being said if it were a full road course where the CTS-V could really open up, more than likely it will dominate the mentioned cars.
That being said if it were a full road course where the CTS-V could really open up, more than likely it will dominate the mentioned cars.
Cts-V - 3650(3850 actual) Curb weight - 405hp
RX8 - 3000(3200 actual) Curb weight - 230hp
Acceleration 0-60:
Cts-V - 4.7sec
RX8 - 6.4sec
Breaking 60-0:
Cts-V - 111'
RX8 - 111'
Skidpad:
Cts-V - .90g
RX8 - .88g
Slalom:
Cts-V - 66.8mph
RX8 - 67.1mph
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Again stats mean jack on a autox. You obviously have no clue what you are talking about. Your car stands 0 chance against a Miata or a RX8 period on a AUTOX course.
Why would they laugh? Stats are very close with the V and the RX-8 but with the v being 400+bhp and 395+btq..
Fill free to discredit my findings all you want...
Cts-V - 3650(3850 actual) Curb weight - 405hp
RX8 - 3000(3200 actual) Curb weight - 230hp
Acceleration 0-60:
Cts-V - 4.7sec
RX8 - 6.4sec
Breaking 60-0:
Cts-V - 111'
RX8 - 111'
Skidpad:
Cts-V - .90g
RX8 - .88g
Slalom:
Cts-V - 66.8mph
RX8 - 67.1mph
Fill free to discredit my findings all you want...
Cts-V - 3650(3850 actual) Curb weight - 405hp
RX8 - 3000(3200 actual) Curb weight - 230hp
Acceleration 0-60:
Cts-V - 4.7sec
RX8 - 6.4sec
Breaking 60-0:
Cts-V - 111'
RX8 - 111'
Skidpad:
Cts-V - .90g
RX8 - .88g
Slalom:
Cts-V - 66.8mph
RX8 - 67.1mph
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Originally Posted by FastLS6Speed
Slalom:
Cts-V - 66.8mph
RX8 - 67.1mph
Cts-V - 66.8mph
RX8 - 67.1mph
Don't get me wrong, I am not discrediting the CTS-V but it simply isn't a good car for AutoX.
FWIW:
Miata vs Vette
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q-ZU6aejeF4
dude with the CTS needs to calm down. No disrespect against your car, it's a sick car indeed but when it comes to AUTOX you'll just lose end of that fight. You're coming off like the ricer in his SI or RSX who thinks his car stock can outrun anything because it's so light lol.
Still your car is nice and I'd personally take the beast CTS over the RX-8 or Miata.
Still your car is nice and I'd personally take the beast CTS over the RX-8 or Miata.
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Why would they laugh? Stats are very close with the V and the RX-8 but with the v being 400+bhp and 395+btq..
Fill free to discredit my findings all you want...
Cts-V - 3650(3850 actual) Curb weight - 405hp
RX8 - 3000(3200 actual) Curb weight - 230hp
Acceleration 0-60:
Cts-V - 4.7sec
RX8 - 6.4sec
Breaking 60-0:
Cts-V - 111'
RX8 - 111'
Skidpad:
Cts-V - .90g
RX8 - .88g
Slalom:
Cts-V - 66.8mph
RX8 - 67.1mph
Fill free to discredit my findings all you want...
Cts-V - 3650(3850 actual) Curb weight - 405hp
RX8 - 3000(3200 actual) Curb weight - 230hp
Acceleration 0-60:
Cts-V - 4.7sec
RX8 - 6.4sec
Breaking 60-0:
Cts-V - 111'
RX8 - 111'
Skidpad:
Cts-V - .90g
RX8 - .88g
Slalom:
Cts-V - 66.8mph
RX8 - 67.1mph
While the V is very adept on a road course and drag strip, the nature of an AutoX is VERY different from both and is setup to favor vehicles like the Miata or RX-8.
You just have to settle your ego down a bit and become educated with this segment of motorsports.
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Ok I'm done... even when I give u stats that prove that a v is more then capable in an autox u all still want to look past that to say that its not possible for it to do it... I'm not sayin that my v could beat everything its put up against... and by the way the v is not made for the drag strip.. just as I've done research on the rx-8 y'all should do some research on the v....
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Ok I'm done... even when I give u stats that prove that a v is more then capable in an autox u all still want to look past that to say that its not possible for it to do it... I'm not sayin that my v could beat everything its put up against... and by the way the v is not made for the drag strip.. just as I've done research on the rx-8 y'all should do some research on the v....
IF a CORVETTE can't do as well as a RX8 on a autox course, there is no way your car will come close to a Vette in performance. The V has a ton of straight line power. It is not designed to do a AUTOX course period. It can do Road Courses well. The car is just better suited for straight line power. If you continue to deny this, then
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Ok I'm done... even when I give u stats that prove that a v is more then capable in an autox u all still want to look past that to say that its not possible for it to do it... I'm not sayin that my v could beat everything its put up against... and by the way the v is not made for the drag strip.. just as I've done research on the rx-8 y'all should do some research on the v....
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Ok, after doing some additional research I have found that the V would not destroy the rx8 in the autox however what I have found is that the stats are just about the same with the rx8 and the v... with that being said... why would y'all try to discredit the v from being a good car on the autox when its got comprable handling to the rx8? And just an fyi y'all the V wasn't made for the drag strip... its a road course car...
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I think what others are getting at is that, stats don't mean much in auto x. I guess it's something hard to explain. May be you can call it the...."nimbleness" of a car. A car that pulls high skidpad numbers and fast slalom speed doesn't mean it would do better than a car with lower skidpad g's and slower slalom speed.
When it comes to car racing, there are a lot of factors involved. Think about the NSX-R vs the C5 Z06 at Nurburgring. They both can do 7:56 there. But the Z06 is faster in a straight line, pulls more g's, and I believe it also has higher slalom number. Yet the NSX-R is just as fast around that track.
When it comes to car racing, there are a lot of factors involved. Think about the NSX-R vs the C5 Z06 at Nurburgring. They both can do 7:56 there. But the Z06 is faster in a straight line, pulls more g's, and I believe it also has higher slalom number. Yet the NSX-R is just as fast around that track.
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http://www.scca.com/contentpage.aspx?content=61
SCCA Classes. The V is in F stock while the RX8 is in B stock. Big difference.
SCCA Classes. The V is in F stock while the RX8 is in B stock. Big difference.
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Ok, after doing some additional research I have found that the V would not destroy the rx8 in the autox however what I have found is that the stats are just about the same with the rx8 and the v... with that being said... why would y'all try to discredit the v from being a good car on the autox when its got comprable handling to the rx8? And just an fyi y'all the V wasn't made for the drag strip... its a road course car...
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cts-v guy.Here is Will Nonnamaker(PRO RACER) who campaigned Corvettes last year in the Grand-Am Rolex series. Compare the handling capabilities of the two cars. I believe a Corvette can handle just as well if not better than your cadillac.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v9CC4zpVet0
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v9CC4zpVet0
I test drove an RX-8 one Saturday I was bored when they first came out. I took it easy for a bit trying to feel the rotary engine & get used to the shifting, etc. The as I'm turning around on an exit/on ramp the salesmen says "feel free to step on it some"...wrong thing to say to me. As we were getting back on the highway I ripped from a dead stop....1st, 2nd....& a big LOUD grind as I attempted to go into 3rd I missed but got it eventually. It was loud & the salesman was sweating.
I missed but got it eventually. It was loud & the salesman was sweating.