Raced a G37S
02-19-2009, 06:31 PM
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Exactly. That's like saying a base TL 6MT is a high 13 second car in basically stock form because one person here was able to do it with just an intake. I've seen several road tests where the G37 Coupe ran 14 flat @ 100-101. You'd expect more from it by looking at the numbers, but it is what it is. It's not a stretch to believe any modded 6spd TL or a modded Type-S 5AT could stay with one on the street. Generally speaking, I think the 306 hp RWD G35 sedan is actually a quicker car than the G37 Coupe.
02-21-2009, 12:55 PM
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LH7D5wMOeSk
I still need to go back to the track so TypeS09 isn't the only very lightly modded TL/Accord in the 13s
One guy on ran 13.9@101 with the AV6 6MT with a few more mods (I/E/P).
02-23-2009, 11:29 PM
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I have both cars and have yet to race one versus the other. The G is stock and pretty fast; I race it one time at night coming from the Strip Club while I was stock at the light between a S600 Benz and a Phantom. Because of the weight, I smoke the Phantom but the Benz got me by not a lot. I was on his tails. And i have my smoking brakes to testify.
On the other hand, my TL has CAI and man, what a difference. I got one time a SL500 from light to light and the owner rolled his window down while his Girlfriend was on the passenger side and ask me if I have a S/C. I just put it to neutral, revved it and let his imagination do the do.
So depending of the drivers, the conditions of the cars ( good oil vs very old and dirty), I can see a TL-S leading by 2 to maybe 5 cars if other driver can't shift right, and sometimes, excitement have a tendency of misleading the lenght.
By the way, which one of us was my victim on Saturday night around 11Pm on I-85, in Atlanta. License plate 05Aspec, Black TL. Sorry for whooping you so bad.
On the other hand, my TL has CAI and man, what a difference. I got one time a SL500 from light to light and the owner rolled his window down while his Girlfriend was on the passenger side and ask me if I have a S/C. I just put it to neutral, revved it and let his imagination do the do.
So depending of the drivers, the conditions of the cars ( good oil vs very old and dirty), I can see a TL-S leading by 2 to maybe 5 cars if other driver can't shift right, and sometimes, excitement have a tendency of misleading the lenght.
By the way, which one of us was my victim on Saturday night around 11Pm on I-85, in Atlanta. License plate 05Aspec, Black TL. Sorry for whooping you so bad.
02-24-2009, 08:52 AM
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Exactly. That's like saying a base TL 6MT is a high 13 second car in basically stock form because one person here was able to do it with just an intake. I've seen several road tests where the G37 Coupe ran 14 flat @ 100-101. You'd expect more from it by looking at the numbers, but it is what it is. It's not a stretch to believe any modded 6spd TL or a modded Type-S 5AT could stay with one on the street. Generally speaking, I think the 306 hp RWD G35 sedan is actually a quicker car than the G37 Coupe.
, so far the mags show the G35S to be about the quickest of the FMs (incl. Z33).
03-01-2009, 10:03 PM
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Sorry street racing isn't credible unless it's witnessed by a few people at least . Anyone can beat anyone at anytime , but you can't just say it . As far as a 13.3 G ?? It would have to have some mods .
03-02-2009, 01:00 PM
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Magazine times for the G37 are around 13.8-14.0 @100-102 from what I've seen. However, there have been much better times at the track. Here is a video of a G37 with K&N filter vs. a S/C E36 M3. A factory E36 M3 should be a good race for the 6MT TL, TL may pull a little.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OjxlH...eature=related
I still want to run one, I could care less if I get smoked.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OjxlH...eature=related
I still want to run one, I could care less if I get smoked.
03-02-2009, 05:07 PM
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Stoner had the UR pulley at that time too. Regardless, great runs. None of them ran in the 13s with stock tires as far as I know, but that may not have been their goal..it's mine tho
Sorry to threadjack. 07 G35 6MT > or = G37 6MT in the straight line.
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03-02-2009, 08:30 PM
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dont give the g37 too much credit. at palm beach international race way, i saw a bone stock 350z walk on a g37.
a tl-s 6mt with mods is actually believeable. that car is mad heavy. from a dig i can believe a tl-s with mods can beat it. from a roll............ i dont know
a tl-s 6mt with mods is actually believeable. that car is mad heavy. from a dig i can believe a tl-s with mods can beat it. from a roll............ i dont know
03-03-2009, 11:46 AM
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^^^^^^
o_O thats kind of expected isnt it? i mean the weight differences is like 500 pounds between the two cars X_X and im sure the power difference wasn't that far apart.
and aren't TL's in general suppose to have the advantages from rolls x_X
o_O thats kind of expected isnt it? i mean the weight differences is like 500 pounds between the two cars X_X and im sure the power difference wasn't that far apart.
and aren't TL's in general suppose to have the advantages from rolls x_X
03-03-2009, 01:04 PM
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Accords are lighter (03-07) and run the J30a4 for 03-05 and J30a5 from 06-07. The TL's run the J32a3? I'm not sure about the "ax" but its the 3.2L vs the 3.0L for the Accord V6.
But the 08+ Accords run the J35z motors, same as the TL-s with minor changes.
But the 08+ Accords run the J35z motors, same as the TL-s with minor changes.
03-03-2009, 03:09 PM
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well my buddy has a g37-s 6mt with an intake and that's it! shit is fast PERIOD. he took me from a dig and from a roll..nasty..he even ran my buddy with a 6mt type s and mods and he walked all over him.
so we tested the g37-s against my friends 240 sx with an sr20 swap and MANY mods which include an upgraded turbo and the g37- BARELY lost
but wait..i didn't read right..was it a base g37 AT? if so..6mt type s could probably beat it...not by 10 car lengths tho
so we tested the g37-s against my friends 240 sx with an sr20 swap and MANY mods which include an upgraded turbo and the g37- BARELY lost
but wait..i didn't read right..was it a base g37 AT? if so..6mt type s could probably beat it...not by 10 car lengths tho
03-03-2009, 04:46 PM
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I raced my friends g37s automatic and I am 6mt 05 TL. I took off and he was on my bumper untill the top of my 3rd gear. 120km/hr i think it was and I had 3 people in the car and he was alone. We had to shut it off because my turn was coming up. Automatic sucks dick. I wanna race him when he is alone and I am alone. I don't think I can beat him in a race but I wanna do it anyways. He also can't drive and he was bragging how when he was alone he KILLED a 07 STI. I know that a STI can win agains a TL
03-03-2009, 05:03 PM
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the tl-s had mods. so ya
03-03-2009, 06:23 PM
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After watching numerous G37 1/4 mile runs, they consistently do 13.8-14.2 @100-102. A bolt on TL can do that. Yet when i watch the speedo on the top speed runs, it looks a good bit faster than my 6MT Accord. Who knows.
Englishtown is open now so I'm gonna do my best to get down there, maybe see a G37 and line up
Englishtown is open now so I'm gonna do my best to get down there, maybe see a G37 and line up
03-04-2009, 01:16 PM
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my bad silvia, should have cleared that up a bit more, i thought it was more expected that the 350z should walk the g37 for those reasons lol my bad
but i still was wondering if TL's should have advantages during rolls, because i thought our vtec gives us that advantage.
but i still was wondering if TL's should have advantages during rolls, because i thought our vtec gives us that advantage.
03-04-2009, 02:19 PM
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I hope that was sarcasm.. 
03-04-2009, 10:12 PM
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my bad silvia, should have cleared that up a bit more, i thought it was more expected that the 350z should walk the g37 for those reasons lol my bad
but i still was wondering if TL's should have advantages during rolls, because i thought our vtec gives us that advantage.
but i still was wondering if TL's should have advantages during rolls, because i thought our vtec gives us that advantage.
*shrugs* doesn't hurt to wonder lol 
04-02-2009, 02:30 PM
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Former ricer here and glad to see someone else notice the TL's advantage from a roll, most Honda's for that matter. It's better on the 6MT than the auto. It's the taller gearing, becuase of overpowered FWD, it helps better maintain traction and is easier on all the mechanical parts. Combine that with full range vtec, on a powerband that doesn't stop making power util redline. You should see it on a nice cold day. Plus, the TL is fairly light for it's size, has little drivetrain loss, and only drives 2 wheels directly. It has a a really low coefficient of drag, equal to the previous gen Corvette, so it's pretty aerodynamic. All that really just means it's better suited for high speed. A sleeper in that range. Both 6MT's feel like the engine and tranny synchronize through fourth gear. That is past the 1/4 mile. Most of it doesn't show up in acceleration tests becuase, it's lack of traction and difficulty to launch. If you have never heard even the smallest of vtec engines run with non restricted air intakes, do yourself a favor. That's your proof, it's as good as it gets next to forced induction. I've pulled on M3's, g35's, from a roll, modded, stick, auto, you name it. That was my 04 6spd a-spec stock only ps2's. They would usually pull away a little at first. Since I've had my type s 6MT all I can say is it pulls inches at a time on a 335i, mostly even, I'm biased, couldn't tell you if it was auto or not. That was 3rd through 5th, 130+, not recommeded. If you have a 6MT and you learn to ride the clutch just right, so you launch with no spin, plus a good reaction time, cars just like those look like they are standing still, against an avergae driver. Also not recommended. Can't really say anything as far as the g37, except they seem no faster than the g35.
04-02-2009, 03:27 PM
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Most of you are not realzing that Nissan and BMW are the only automakers YET to abide by the new SAE standard. While Acura adjusted its hp rating, if you remember for base from 270 to 258.. Nissan and BMW NEVER DID IT.
so 330 becomes about 316.. With the right mods a TL-S 6mt will keep up.. but unfortunately never beat it.
Considering that I got stuck with a/t tl-s.. and the speed limit is @ 137, I'll get murdered.
But 10 car lengths? TEN? you got sprays? supercharger?
so 330 becomes about 316.. With the right mods a TL-S 6mt will keep up.. but unfortunately never beat it.
Considering that I got stuck with a/t tl-s.. and the speed limit is @ 137, I'll get murdered.
But 10 car lengths? TEN? you got sprays? supercharger?
04-02-2009, 03:54 PM
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You are wrong about Nissan. Nissan also adjusted its HP rating. When Nissan/Infiniti was claiming 298HP on the Rev-up motors(350z and G35)they were overstating. Nissan now claims 286HP. You are right about BMW though. They have never had to adjust numbers. They always have followed the SAE standards.
04-02-2009, 03:55 PM
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Most of you are not realzing that Nissan and BMW are the only automakers YET to abide by the new SAE standard. While Acura adjusted its hp rating, if you remember for base from 270 to 258.. Nissan and BMW NEVER DID IT.
so 330 becomes about 316.. With the right mods a TL-S 6mt will keep up.. but unfortunately never beat it.
Considering that I got stuck with a/t tl-s.. and the speed limit is @ 137, I'll get murdered.
But 10 car lengths? TEN? you got sprays? supercharger?
so 330 becomes about 316.. With the right mods a TL-S 6mt will keep up.. but unfortunately never beat it.
Considering that I got stuck with a/t tl-s.. and the speed limit is @ 137, I'll get murdered.
But 10 car lengths? TEN? you got sprays? supercharger?
04-02-2009, 04:00 PM
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Thanks for the correction 
04-03-2009, 01:10 AM
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I believe all the SAE corrections are current by now. Honda has been known to ubderrate a bit, too. BMW underrates the twin turbo engine, but there was a report that suggested they juice the psi a little for test days, which is buyable. Otherwise it's just the little drivetrain loss, about 10%, same as the 6MT type s. Now the G, remember 330 is not 330. It's 285 vs 255, by averaged dyno #'s for both 6spds, but + 100lbs on the G. So it's more like a 20hp difference to the wheels, a full tank of gas or added passenger could offset that. Sh^t, even good tires and mobile one, and the TL is still geared higher, 4th-6th + final drive.
04-03-2009, 07:31 AM
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I believe all the SAE corrections are current by now. Honda has been known to ubderrate a bit, too. BMW underrates the twin turbo engine, but there was a report that suggested they juice the psi a little for test days, which is buyable. Otherwise it's just the little drivetrain loss, about 10%, same as the 6MT type s. Now the G, remember 330 is not 330. It's 285 vs 255, by averaged dyno #'s for both 6spds, but + 100lbs on the G. So it's more like a 20hp difference to the wheels, a full tank of gas or added passenger could offset that. Sh^t, even good tires and mobile one, and the TL is still geared higher, 4th-6th + final drive.
G37 Dyno Info
We discussed the new engine in depth in previous articles on the G37 (see related links below) so let's cut right to the chase: The new 3.7-liter is only 5.6 percent larger than the old engine, but made almost 22 percent more power on a chassis dynamometer.
We tested the 2007 G35 Coupe 6MT on the same dyno a few months back. When attached to the six-speed manual transmission, its 3.5-liter is rated at 293 hp @ 6400 rpm and 258 lb-ft @ 4800 rpm. Its power peak is very close to the 6600-rpm fuel cutoff - this is an engine that loves to rev. Looking at the dyno chart, you can see that it comes alive just over 2000 rpm and produces a fairly constant amount of torque until just over 5000 rpm. Torque (and the corresponding push in your rear) drops off only slightly, as the engine is still producing over 85% of its peak torque at redline. Impressive indeed.
The G37's engine, however, blows that performance away. It's rated 37 horsepower higher, but the G37 we tested put 51 more horses to the rear wheels. Since this was measured on a chassis dyno, we can't know for sure how much of that increase is due to higher engine output versus lower driveline losses. However, since the drivelines are similar, we'd guess nearly all of this increase is brute force from the new motor. Think about it this way: If frictional losses are a constant percentage, you'd have to add 63 horsepower to the G35's engine to make it put 51 more to its wheels. This is a big, big jump in power.
The best news is that Infiniti wasn't exaggerating about its other claims: the new 3.7-liter is stronger than the 3.5 both at low revs and high revs. Its torque curve is flatter, too. Throttle response (if you can say that about a car without a throttle) is instantaneous, the 3.5's coarseness has been tamed, and I got an indicated 27 mpg - with the air conditioning switched on at 80 mph - on the way back from the dyno shop. So if there's any drawback to VVEL, we haven't seen it.
We tested the 2007 G35 Coupe 6MT on the same dyno a few months back. When attached to the six-speed manual transmission, its 3.5-liter is rated at 293 hp @ 6400 rpm and 258 lb-ft @ 4800 rpm. Its power peak is very close to the 6600-rpm fuel cutoff - this is an engine that loves to rev. Looking at the dyno chart, you can see that it comes alive just over 2000 rpm and produces a fairly constant amount of torque until just over 5000 rpm. Torque (and the corresponding push in your rear) drops off only slightly, as the engine is still producing over 85% of its peak torque at redline. Impressive indeed.
The G37's engine, however, blows that performance away. It's rated 37 horsepower higher, but the G37 we tested put 51 more horses to the rear wheels. Since this was measured on a chassis dyno, we can't know for sure how much of that increase is due to higher engine output versus lower driveline losses. However, since the drivelines are similar, we'd guess nearly all of this increase is brute force from the new motor. Think about it this way: If frictional losses are a constant percentage, you'd have to add 63 horsepower to the G35's engine to make it put 51 more to its wheels. This is a big, big jump in power.
The best news is that Infiniti wasn't exaggerating about its other claims: the new 3.7-liter is stronger than the 3.5 both at low revs and high revs. Its torque curve is flatter, too. Throttle response (if you can say that about a car without a throttle) is instantaneous, the 3.5's coarseness has been tamed, and I got an indicated 27 mpg - with the air conditioning switched on at 80 mph - on the way back from the dyno shop. So if there's any drawback to VVEL, we haven't seen it.
