rhash

What's faster/more HP?

Just wondering...I haven't placed a bet with anyone or anything...


Randy

levon1830

The '06 Chevy Impala SS has a 5.3L V8 under the hood making 303 hp and 323 ft-lbs of torque, and it's FWD. However, it weighs 3790 lbs, and has a 4-spd auto tranny; therefore, I don't know if it is faster if you compare it to the auto 3G TL.

Brettg

The new passat (b6) 3.6L may be faster, its surely faster then the auto trans TL's.
A bit more HP and a lot more torque.

What about the 3.5 altima?
I think you can get that in a manual trans.

Brett

CL Platano

The Altima puts out in the 2006 model 250 hp and 249ft of torque and the Passat is 280hp with 265 ft of torque with a 6spd auto tranny

leedogg

From Consumer Reports...

TL:

Acceleration
0-30 mph, sec. 2.7
0-60 mph, sec. 6.7
Quarter mile, sec. 15.2
Quarter mile, mph 95
45-65 mph, sec. 4.2


Impala:
Acceleration
0-30 mph, sec. 3.0
0-60 mph, sec. 7.8
Quarter mile, sec. 15.9
Quarter mile, mph 92
45-65 mph, sec. 5.4

Passat:

Acceleration
0-30 mph, sec. 3.0
0-60 mph, sec. 7.7
Quarter mile, sec. 15.9
Quarter mile, mph 92
45-65 mph, sec. 5.1

Altima:

Acceleration
0-30 mph, sec. 2.7
0-60 mph, sec. 7.1
Quarter mile, sec. 15.6
Quarter mile, mph 90
45-65 mph, sec. 4.5

Maxima:

Acceleration
0-30 mph, sec. 2.8
0-60 mph, sec. 6.8
Quarter mile, sec. 15.5
Quarter mile, mph 93
45-65 mph, sec. 4.4


Volvo S60

Acceleration
0-30 mph, sec. 2.9
0-60 mph, sec. 7.9
Quarter mile, sec. 16.1
Quarter mile, mph 90
45-65 mph, sec. 5.0

lexus ES330

Acceleration
0-30 mph, sec. 2.8
0-60 mph, sec. 7.9
Quarter mile, sec. 16.2
Quarter mile, mph 88
45-65 mph, sec. 5.5

bstansbu

What about the Alitma SE-R? I heard those run low to mid 14 sec 1/4 miles.

mickey3c

I assume these are from 05. Was the Impala with the 5.3 v8 used in this list.. Or is that just for 06. The SE-R altima might put down some better numbers.

Papaman677

My friend has the SE-R and it's very quick. If you think the TL has torque steer (I have no complaints about it) the SE-R is all over the place when you hammer the gas. It's actually very easy to spin the tires on that car. My friend has an auto and I think it could take my 6MT. The car has more torque then ours and feels alot lighter then the TL, almost a hollow feeling. I don't know the exact weight of each of the cars but this is my opinion on the two cars. Although the SE-R doesn't even compare with the interior of the TL.

ttliang

were testers on drugs?
i am sure they tested all these cars on the same day using the same gas with the same tester (he should be tired at the end of the day from all that shifting). i think you'd get my point. useless data (not dissing your effort).

to the poster,

why do you want to know? paper racing? bragging rights? what's the point?

i got smoked by a minivan full of people off the light this morning in my 6mt. i believe that's a FWD too. it was a fine automobile.

levon1830

Are you serious? Was it one of those old turbo minivans?

ttliang

i didn't see the "lol" so i assumed you didn't get my joke. i was shifting @ 2500rpm. i was just trying to point out the "pointlessness" of all this.

bstansbu

I dont want to sound rude because Im quite the newb here, but if you find this thread pointless, you might not want to post in this thread. I for one could also care less about racing from light to light, I am way past that at this point in my life, but the original poster said nothing about street racing or drag racing. He just wanted some insite on to what is fastest fwd car. I mean, yeah, the SER Altima is going to be a little faster, but look at what you get. Have you seen the interior in those, harsh ride, etc? lol In my opinion its just a fun topic to discuss. Please dont take this as a diss to you ttliang. happy TL-ing. BEN

levon1830

lol. Okay, it's just that souped up minivans do exist that would absolutely SPANK the TL in a straight line. Just wanted to make sure!

Nandito28

Are you jokeing?

ttliang

i am all for healthy info around here. that's what this site is about. but think about this one liner again: "is TL the ""fastest"" FWD car out there?" fastest? who's driving? auto or 6mt? etc etc....you see my point?

now i still don't get this "if you have opposite opinions about a thread, don't post any, just leave queitly concept". it's like saying "if you find this offensive (for example) in a public forum, don't say anything, just leave/don't read."

bstansbu

Yes, it is a pretty open ended Q in the original post, but I think we all know what he was getting at. Most likely magazine racing, as that is what most people do anyways. I also agree with you 100% about having opposite opinions on these forums and posting them, however, you didnt give a counter point argument to have a healthy debate, but a rather an abrupt, "this thread is pointless comment".

Anyways, not to thread jack, Pm me if you feel the need to have a personal debate. sorry guys, moving along here. Cheers, BEN

rhash

No, I wasn't really wondering for any particular reason.

I saw a post on autoblog.com about the new Dodge Caliber SRT-4 and comments from the blogger about the concept of pushing 300 HP through the front wheels...

and it just made me think/wonder about how many other cars with relatively significant HP are front drive.

That's all. Just an open discussion point...

Oh, and I guess by fastest I did mean something like 0-60.

Randy

caball88

6.7 secs to 60 for the TL is pretty slow(well all the numbers are slow), was it an auto or 6MT?

ttliang

I did give my "counter" point by providing example such as "i got smoked by a minivan..." therefore one line questions like these are "pointless". no hard feeling...just wanted to "express" my feeling about the pointless open ended question.

leedogg

Tested model

Impala:
2006 3LT sedan, 3.9-liter V6, 4-speed automatic

SebringSilver

I drive my TL in reverse to enjoy the sensation of rear-wheel-drive.

Brettg

The list of car speeds has no info on auto or manual transmissions.
There is a difference between the auto and manual TL's, and I would guess most of the other cars come in auto and manuals...
Altima 3.5 makes 250 HP? that seems low....TL does 258?
i would guess from how crappy and its lack of soundproofing that the altima would be light.

Brett

bstansbu

I believe the Se-r Altima has a curb weight of 3000-3200 lbs. 260hp engine and just over 252 ft/lb torque

WdnUlik2no

Yes!!! Had to be the Auto, C&D said the stick got them 5.8. Even if that was a little inflated 6.7 is almost a full second off!

avs007

Car and Driver tested the Pontiac Grand Prix GXP which has the 5.3 V8. It did the 0-60 in something like 5.7 or 5.8 seconds with it's 4 speed automatic.

PeterUbers

iTrader: (1)

Motortrend rated the A-spec TL 6MT at 0-60 in 5.9sec and 1/4-mile in 14.2 seconds.

They also got a 5.9sec 0-60 for the '05 Alty 3.5 and a 1/4-mile of 14.5

They also got 14.5 for the 6MT Honda Accord (6MT)

Neon SRT4's routinely run 14.0-14.5 at the track (in my experience) non-modded with good drivers.

Pontiac GTP's of old (supercharged 6's) would run low 14's stock w/o the front headlight (when the OEM intake had full access to the outside).

GusterFan

Don't know if we are talking new and current models, but I remember the Taurus SHO and Contour SVT throwing some low 6 high 5 second 0-60 times. Don't know if this counts.

PeterUbers

iTrader: (1)

C&D got 14.2 or 14.3 for the V8 Pontaic GXP ...

ravingstylez

yeh u guy frgt about the srt4 thats a frotn wheel drive beast .. and the altima ser is an animal i lost 3 time sin a row to it .. there real quick .

leedogg

erst? igle poo ngly say wable wable.

levon1830

Ka0tik

no...... you could take a 15 year old lotus elan (which is front wheel drive) which is a supercharged 4 cylinder and it would kick a tl's ass

dmsmitty

Thanks for the good laugh. Funny.

FightingTL

Please dont put out inaccurate information. The freakiest of the freaky GTP's ran a low 14.

Majority, with the headlight removed ran 14.6-14.9.

Heck most light bpu, pulley, u-bend removal, intake, run lower 14's.

JERU

True, but lets keep apples to apples here. Lotus designs go the way of super light cars instead of giant engines. The curb weight for that Lotus is much lower than a TL. I bet if you look a HP/weight, that Lotus is pretty wicked.

kennyc

I remember they weren't that fast... and they are turbocharged.

Something I just googled...

1990s Elan
1991 Lotus Elan

The second Lotus Elan (often known as the M100 Elan based on its internal Lotus model number), released in 1989, was a technical tour de force but one that also defied Lotus 'performance through light weight' tradition, some say to its detriment. Its styling by Peter Stevens, who was also responsible for the redesign of the Lotus Esprit, was also controversial.

The idea of a front wheel drive Lotus, powered by a turbocharged engine, was a brave concept and its cornering performance was undeniable (on release the Elan was described by Autocar magazine as "the quickest point to point car available"). However the handling was negatively compared to the original Elan both by the press and some Lotus loyalists, often being accused of lacking driver feedback.

The relatively high price of the M100 Elan (vs. e.g. the Mazda Miata), along with the mixed reviews and the downturn in the global economy in 1992 particularly in the USA meant it was not a sales success, selling only 3855 examples worldwide. Included in the 3855 total series 1 production are 129 normally aspirated examples built for the UK market only. In 1991 the only year the vehicles were available in the USA, Lotus sold 559 Elans into this market with a 'stage 2 body' which had a different rear boot spoiler arrangement together with a lengthened nose to accommodate a USA compliant crash structure and 16" wheels instead of the UK car's 15".

The M100 Elan used a 1588 cc twin-cam 16-valve turbocharged engine, sourced from the Isuzu Impulse, which produced 162 hp. 0-60 acceleration time was measured by Autocar and Motor magazine as 6.5 seconds, and a top speed of 137 mph was recorded.

In June 1992 Elan production ceased due to economic conditions and a desire by the then owner of Lotus, General Motors, to reduce losses which amounted to some 36 million UK pounds over the period the Elan was in production.

All the sites I've found have pretty consistant performance data.

1995hoo

"Shifting" in Consumer Reports? I assume you mean shifting his balls around in his shorts, since Consumer Reports basically will NOT test a manual transmission vehicle unless they are forced to do so.

Ka0tik

yes, but the lotus elan is still only a 4 cylinder car that is 15 years old...... there have to be newer cars that are much faster, that was just an example

btw the lotus elan is considdered to be the "worst" lotus's made

the new lotus exige is only 190 hp, 4 cylinder, 16 valve, 138 torque

PoochaKannInc

I think you mean the Lotus Elise with the Toyota Celica engine. It is RWD though.

avs007

Bone stock GTP CompG would run 14.7. Most that did the pulley, intake, and exhaust, were in the 13's. Those that got an intercooler and even smaller pulley have ventured down into the 11's, but most of these people are in the 12s.

But who cares how fast a modded car is.... The Grand Prix GXP bone stock can do high 13's to low 14s. Which for an automatic, is certainly faster than the TL.

But I'd still rather own a TL than a GXP.